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Not trying to prosthelytize, but since you asked...

One difference is that with Christianity the individual voluntarily makes sacrifices for others, whereas with socialism/communism, the government forces you to do that with an implied threat of violence.

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Well,I COULD argue with that given the history of some of the fundie churches,and the FACT that SOME people in the old USSR actually thought Communism was the best thing since sliced bread,but I won't.

I could also point out the role that peer pressure places on people to attend church,but I have a hard time working up much sympathy for anyone that weak,so I will grant you a passing score on your points.

Not that squeaking by on a passing score is much to brag about.
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BTW,WHAT is "Christianity" if not socialism/communism?

Christianity is about returning to the Garden.
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@christian

Because your dogma won't allow you to accept it.

 

So what? When was the Bible first published,and when was the first Communist Party organized?

And WHY do you think the Communists of today hate Christians so much?

Or,AFATG,why organized Christian dogma has so much hatred for communism?

It's because they are both selling the same product,and like every other business,they hate competition.
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@christian

So true,and people like you are living proof.

BTW,WHAT is "Christianity" if not socialism/communism?

American Protestantism is the moral core of what we are... So individualism, liberty, free markets, small government. And charity, given freely. The thing coming in here turning all that over is communism.

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Not trying to prosthelytize, but since you asked...

One difference is that with Christianity the individual voluntarily makes sacrifices for others, whereas with socialism/communism, the government forces you to do that with an implied threat of violence.

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@BassWrangler

Well,I COULD argue with that given the history of some of the fundie churches,and the FACT that SOME people in the old USSR actually thought Communism was the best thing since sliced bread,but I won't.

I could also point out the role that peer pressure places on people to attend church,but I have a hard time working up much sympathy for anyone that weak,so I will grant you a passing score on your points.

Not that squeaking by on a passing score is much to brag about.

My take; Church is a building in which people of faith gather. People of faith can gather in a park, in each others homes ,etc.,  Christianity is belief in faith and the Bible and acting in a manner fit to be considered a Christian.

I'm not fond of the so called born again Christians; I've known too many that are just plain hypocrites and many prey on the weak and those in need.

It turned me off to attend a church that had priests or pastors ask, 'well, where were you last week' or you need to pledge so much money a year to the church.  Nope. That doesn't work for me.  One church we attended our donation went to an 85 year old woman to buy her a car because she couldn't afford one ... well...ok...except it was a new Caddy!  First of all she probably shouldn't have been driving in the first place, and second of all, a used vehicle to get her from point A to B should have been sufficient.

I'll probably go to hell because I don't attend church.  I read the Bible (even if it's just a short verse) and try to live as a Christian. I have my own unique way of spreading the 'word' but haven't done so lately because of health issues.

Being a Christian is not easy and I feel my faith is tested these days every day.
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My take; Church is a building in which people of faith gather. People of faith can gather in a park, in each others homes ,etc.,  Christianity is belief in faith and the Bible and acting in a manner fit to be considered a Christian.

I'm not fond of the so called born again Christians; I've known too many that are just plain hypocrites and many prey on the weak and those in need.

It turned me off to attend a church that had priests or pastors ask, 'well, where were you last week' or you need to pledge so much money a year to the church.  Nope. That doesn't work for me.  One church we attended our donation went to an 85 year old woman to buy her a car because she couldn't afford one ... well...ok...except it was a new Caddy!  First of all she probably shouldn't have been driving in the first place, and second of all, a used vehicle to get her from point A to B should have been sufficient.

I'll probably go to hell because I don't attend church.  I read the Bible (even if it's just a short verse) and try to live as a Christian. I have my own unique way of spreading the 'word' but haven't done so lately because of health issues.

Being a Christian is not easy and I feel my faith is tested these days every day.

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Well said!
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BassWrangler wrote (very succinctly):
"One difference is that with Christianity the individual voluntarily makes sacrifices for others, whereas with socialism/communism, the government forces you to do that with an implied threat of violence."

As odd as it may seem, the dichotomy between the voluntary sacrifice of the individual vs. the forced sacrifice imposed by the state is one of the central themes of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged -- although Rand herself claimed to be an atheist. I wonder if in her last hours she had second thoughts...

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My take; Church is a building in which people of faith gather. People of faith can gather in a park, in each others homes ,etc.,  Christianity is belief in faith and the Bible and acting in a manner fit to be considered a Christian.

I'm not fond of the so called born again Christians; I've known too many that are just plain hypocrites and many prey on the weak and those in need.

It turned me off to attend a church that had priests or pastors ask, 'well, where were you last week' or you need to pledge so much money a year to the church.  Nope. That doesn't work for me.  One church we attended our donation went to an 85 year old woman to buy her a car because she couldn't afford one ... well...ok...except it was a new Caddy!  First of all she probably shouldn't have been driving in the first place, and second of all, a used vehicle to get her from point A to B should have been sufficient.

I'll probably go to hell because I don't attend church.  I read the Bible (even if it's just a short verse) and try to live as a Christian. I have my own unique way of spreading the 'word' but haven't done so lately because of health issues.

Being a Christian is not easy and I feel my faith is tested these days every day.
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Church is not the building.  We as believers are the CHURCH.  happy77

A church is a congregation of sinners.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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A church is a congregation of sinners.

Ooh, ooh! Here I am!   :seeya:

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Rush Limbaugh mentioned a 3rd party today.  Guess it's coming....

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DITTO and only one person died. That woman Babbit, who ANTIFA/BLM shot in the neck.  Those others deaths were just regular  deaths in D.C.  In ambulances. NOTHING TO DO WITH CAPITOL.  That number 5 is NOT CORRECT.  Anyone think, this is correct news?
The media put the size of the crowd at 300K, and normally in America there would be 7-8 deaths in a group that size on any given day, statistically speaking. Considering all the different factors, including difficulty of EMS responses and transport to medical care, only losing 4 people during an event of that size and energy is subpar. Unfortunately, shooting victims are not so unusual in DC either, just not in that neighborhood.

Like COVID, intentional misattribution of cause of death to inflate numbers and distort the situation in a more than willing and grossly biased press is commonplace too.
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