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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2021, 08:29:08 pm »
Why not use the ignore feature if you cannot "endure" a contrary opinion?    You pinged me seven times last evening!   

And I answered your question @Jazzhead

Well, @Jazzhead  I read this thread first: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,425689.0.html  and had to wear hip boots to wade through your bullshit.

I think you're a liberal attention whore adding very little to the quality of conversation on this Forum.  So, no, I do not seek to have a dialogue with you.

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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2021, 08:44:11 pm »
If I were an attention whore I would respond to your slander in kind.  I will not do so because that has never been my style.  I believe there are, theoretically at least,  board rules against gratuitous personal insults as well.   
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2021, 08:57:35 pm »
If I were an attention whore I would respond to your slander in kind.  I will not do so because that has never been my style.  I believe there are, theoretically at least,  board rules against gratuitous personal insults as well.   
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Whadda ya mean "If"???


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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2021, 09:46:35 pm »
If I mistate a fact,  I will gladly correct it.

Wow! An even bigger liar than you have ever self-declared before.   You NEVER admit when you are caught in your lies. 

You aren't just a liar, you are a meta-liar, lying about your lies.
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2021, 09:49:40 pm »
I have never met a contrary opinion  I haven't been able to shoot down with facts, first-person sources and second-hand sources.

Listen, you guys who support Trump are right: America has a swamp that needs to be drained of corruption.  That doesn't mean that people can't be honestly be against Trump if they are for the things that are vital to America: Free speech, etc....

Stick around a bit, and watch how the Member you defended acts when caught bullshitting us. We've had years of experience dealing with Jazz.
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2021, 09:54:24 pm »
Wow! An even bigger liar than you have ever self-declared before.   You NEVER admit when you are caught in your lies. 

You aren't just a liar, you are a meta-liar, lying about your lies.

Alright, this slander on an open board by an administrator is absurd.   What lie, specifically, have been caught in?
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2021, 09:56:02 pm »

You earned it.   In spades.
Some people I can respecrt their views even if I disagree, but when it come to those that go out of their way with infamatory statements or statements made with the single intent of beieng inflammatory by constantly reciting known falsehoods as fact the only thing I have left for them is

 

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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2021, 09:59:24 pm »
Alright, this slander on an open board by an administrator is absurd.   What lie, specifically, have been caught in?

Most recent lie of yours is that Babbitt broke that window in the Capitol building.   Then.... you compared her to a Palestinian terrorist bomber.

You sir, are a blatant LIAR.   And much, much worse.



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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2021, 10:12:32 pm »
Alright, this slander on an open board by an administrator is absurd.   What lie, specifically, have been caught in?

Playing victim again, poor, poor Jazz.....
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2021, 11:53:46 pm »
(sigh)...

Another thread that's been disrupted by jazzhead.

Reminds me of sinkspur (perhaps the all-time greatest of disruptors) who preceded him.

How long will he be left to continue to do damage to the place...?

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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2021, 03:31:44 pm »
You play dishonest games,  both with respect to statistics (which you spout but never cite)

Any time you want to question any stats presented, please speak up.  I will be more than happy to provide links regarding population totals, vote tallies, etc.  If you ask nicely, I will even do the math for you.


It is not a question of "pinpointing" words in Trump's January 6 exhortations to his followers , it is about the totality of circumstances that led to the riot, and Trump's refusal to take responsibility in its aftermath.

These are your posts, no?

Well,  there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.

I could care less that less physical damage was done to the Capitol building than to a storefront looted and burned in a BLM riot.   The latter is criminal behavior,  the former violent sedition urged on by the President.  It is completely unacceptable.

Trump's actions in encouraging a mob to descend on the Capitol leaving wreckage and five deaths in its wake amount to sedition.

So yes, it is a question of pinpointing since you offered the premise on multiple occasions that Trump's words were seditious.  If you possessed a shred of integrity, you would walk back those words and acknowledge that there was nothing even remotely seditious in Trump's speech.  That is, if you possessed a shred of integrity.


I have explained in detail this totality of circumstances that lead me to conclude that Trump did grave damage to the nation.

You have provided your conclusion.  But you have failed utterly in providing truthful premises to support that conclusion.  (See: Logical Fallacies - Begging the Question)


He indeed, over course of several weeks,  baited and misled his followers with phony charges (the election was not "stolen")

At least half a dozen States have violated their own election laws and have certified results that were illegally obtained.  And in doing so, they have violated the US Constitution.  That is a fact.  Your own Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and my own State of Georgia being chief offenders.


and false hopes that Pence could be pressured into taking unconstitutional actions to overturn a free and fair election.

The hope was not false.  Pence did indeed have the authority under the Constitution to request State Legislatures confirm their electors.  The election was not free and fair.  And his request would not have overturned the election.  Four falsehoods in one clause - you've outdone yourself.


His crowd reacted predictably and turned into a mob.

The crowd listening to Trump speak these words about Pence were still gathered at the Ellipse when windows inside the Capitol were being broken.
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2021, 03:42:06 pm »
What lie, specifically, have been caught in?

For starters, that Lindsey Graham got more votes in South Carolina than did Trump.  Or that 2016 Trump supporters in your own county abandoned him en masse in 2020.
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2021, 03:47:31 pm »
Stick around a bit, and watch how the Member you defended acts when caught bullshitting us. We've had years of experience dealing with Jazz.

With all of Jazz' lies and outright refusal of listening to facts.  I had enough.  He wasn't worth the blood pressure points.
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2021, 01:27:17 pm »
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So yes, it is a question of pinpointing since you offered the premise on multiple occasions that Trump's words were seditious.  If you possessed a shred of integrity, you would walk back those words and acknowledge that there was nothing even remotely seditious in Trump's speech.  That is, if you possessed a shred of integrity.

Turns out I was right and you are wrong.

The Wall Street Journal had a fascinating article yesterday which "pinpointed" the exact statements that inspired the Proud Boys to come to the Capitol and commit mayhem on behalf of Trump,  based on a study of that group's members' on line statements leading up to January 6.   No,  it wasn't just the speech Trump made on January 6 that you seem to believe is the be-all and end-all.   There were two primary incitements -  Trump's statement at the 9/29 Presidential debate "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by",   and his tweet in December about the January 6 rally to "be there, will be wild".    According to the article,  the Proud Boys stepped up their social media activity after the September 29 debate and described their mood as "euphoric".    Then,  after the "be there,  will be wild"  tweet,  the Proud Boys'  social media chatter indicated that this was the "green light from the President" that had been signaled would come.   

So,  yes,  it was the totality of circumstances -  including the aggressive, fighting words of Giuliani and Trump at very  -  that lead me to conclude that President Trump explicitly incited the 1/6 riot.   

That's sedition, sir.   
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2021, 01:30:58 pm »
With all of Jazz' lies and outright refusal of listening to facts.  I had enough.  He wasn't worth the blood pressure points.

Declining to believe wild-eyed charges that the election was stolen -  when Republican candidates beat expectations elsewhere down the ballot -  is not an "outright refusal to listen to facts".   It is a refusal to be conned. 
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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2021, 01:44:10 pm »
Declining to believe wild-eyed charges that the election was stolen -  when Republican candidates beat expectations elsewhere down the ballot -  is not an "outright refusal to listen to facts".   It is a refusal to be conned.


This claim has been proven incorrect


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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2021, 01:46:37 pm »
Oh look.   The lying, propagandizing troll is 'back'.... spewing the same lies and doubling down on his bullshit.....just like the DemocRats always do.   Hmmm....

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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2021, 01:52:03 pm »
Oh look.   The lying, propagandizing troll is 'back'.... spewing the same lies and doubling down on his bullshit.....just like the DemocRats always do.   Hmmm....

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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2021, 03:45:29 pm »
Declining to believe wild-eyed charges that the election was stolen -  when Republican candidates beat expectations elsewhere down the ballot

Can you show me an instance where this actually happened?   Because I have already shown you numerous instances where it did not.  Thanks.
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Re: An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2021, 03:58:15 pm »
Oh look.   The lying, propagandizing troll is 'back'.... spewing the same lies and doubling down on his bullshit.....just like the DemocRats always do.   Hmmm....

It was a nice respite, but he and his buddies are back today, in order to gloat.
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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2021, 03:59:46 pm »
It was a nice respite, but he and his buddies are back today, in order to gloat.

And I hope doesn't go unnoticed that they will keep up their attacks after today, while letting Biden skate.  Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?
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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2021, 04:06:42 pm »
And I hope doesn't go unnoticed that they will keep up their attacks after today, while letting Biden skate.  Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it?

Why would I let Biden skate?   The question is why did so many here let Trump skate,  and to slander those that dared criticize him?
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« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2021, 04:09:43 pm »
Can you show me an instance where this actually happened?   Because I have already shown you numerous instances where it did not.  Thanks.

The preelection polls all predicted that Pelosi would pick up seats in the House.  Instead,  the GOP almost took it back,  with Dems who won two years ago being tossed out.   We're those elections stolen too?
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« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2021, 04:10:11 pm »
Why would I let Biden skate?   The question is why did so many here let Trump skate,  and to slander those that dared criticize him?

Why is he here @Cyber Liberty and what's in it for me?  Seriously, this is such a slap in the face.

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« Reply #49 on: January 20, 2021, 04:11:32 pm »
Why would I let Biden skate?   The question is why did so many here let Trump skate,  and to slander those that dared criticize him?

If past is prologue, I expect the see you glorify the skating as Olympic quality icemanship.
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