An Impeachment Incitement By Victor Davis Hanson

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An Impeachment Incitement

What is this latest impeachment gambit really about? Of course, it was a Parthian shot to discredit President Trump’s supporters.

By Victor Davis Hanson
January 14, 2021

Donald Trump was impeached again on Wednesday, a week before leaving office in one of the great travesties of modern politics.

Here are reasons why the exercise proved a farce.

One, impeachment was never intended by the founders to become a serial effort to weaken a first-term president. But this latest try will mark the third failed attempt of Democrats in Congress to remove Trump before his allotted tenure.

The first Democratic impeachment effort of December 2017 fizzled. The second impeachment of December 2019 succeeded but predictably failed to obtain a Senate conviction.

This third try will likely not result in a Senate conviction, either.

But from now on, House impeachment will be used by the out-party as a periodic club to wound a first-term president. President-elect Biden should beware.

Two, the country is wracked by a pandemic, recession, a summer of Black Lives Matter and Antifa looting, arson, and violence, and the recent rogue group of Trump supporters storming the Capitol. Washington, D.C. is now militarized in a way not seen since the Civil War. Over 20,000 troops patrol the streets.

Thousands are dying from COVID-19. Politics and incompetence at the state level slow down the widespread vaccination of the vulnerable.

So the last thing Americans now needed was the distraction of virtue-signaling politicians to impeach a lame-duck president who will be gone in a week.

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[Jazzhead]

Democrats and Trump continue to share the same common ground - to keep the reality show going.

With a cliffhanger leading to a communist-style show trial,  it looks like things have been renewed for yet another season.

[Cyber Liberty]

Democrats and Trump continue to share the same common ground - to keep the reality show going.

With a cliffhanger leading to a communist-style show trial,  it looks like things have been renewed for yet another season.

I cannot possibly care less what Trump-haters want.

[skeeter]

It’s delusional to the point of parody to claim impeachment now is what Trump wants.

[XenaLee]

It’s delusional to the point of parody to claim impeachment now is what Trump wants.

It's not just delusional... it's downright idiotic (and dishonest).   Which figures, considering the source of the comment.

[Jazzhead]

I cannot possibly care less what Trump-haters want.

Ever notice how your pronouncements parody those of leftists?

A difference in opinion does not constitute "hate".   Yet by labelling those with whom you disagree "haters" you seek to virtue-signal and shut down discussion just as surely as any leftist.

[Cyber Liberty]

Ever notice how your pronouncements parody those of leftists?

A difference in opinion does not constitute "hate".   Yet by labelling those with whom you disagree "haters" you seek to virtue-signal and shut down discussion just as surely as any leftist.

When somebody assures me he is not a "hater," then delivers 4-5 years of hateful comments against somebody, I am faced with "What I say" vs "What I do."

Your actions clearly indicate you are indeed a "Trump Hater," and your insistence otherwise just makes you a liar, albeit an amusing one.

[XenaLee]

When somebody assures me he is not a "hater," then delivers 4-5 years of hateful comments against somebody, I am faced with "What I say" vs "What I do."

Your actions clearly indicate you are indeed a "Trump Hater," and your insistence otherwise just makes you a liar, albeit an amusing one.

I disagree.   I am not in any way amused by him now.   Might have something to do with my patience having gone bye-bye due to the blatant takeover and election theft by those he is aiding and abetting via his anti-Trump BS.   

[Jazzhead]

So of course you just double down.  I'm not just a "hater" but also a "liar",  all, apparently, because I express different opinions than yours.  Opinions expressed in a civil manner over many years and over 10,000 posts.  Opinions expressed while rarely responding to name-calling and personal insults in kind.

Well I guess it's good to know what the administrators think of all the content and discussion I've contributed to this board over the years.

Hater. Liar. Troll.

Thanks a lot.

[XenaLee]

So of course you just double down.  I'm not just a "hater" but also a "liar",  all, apparently, because I express different opinions than yours.  Opinions expressed in a civil manner over many years and over 10,000 posts.  Opinions expressed while rarely responding to name-calling and personal insults in kind.

Well I guess it's good to know what the administrators think of all the content and discussion I've contributed to this board over the years.

Hater. Liar. Troll.

Thanks a lot.

You earned it.   In spades.

[Cyber Liberty]

So of course you just double down.  I'm not just a "hater" but also a "liar",  all, apparently, because I express different opinions than yours.  Opinions expressed in a civil manner over many years and over 10,000 posts.  Opinions expressed while rarely responding to name-calling and personal insults in kind.

Well I guess it's good to know what the administrators think of all the content and discussion I've contributed to this board over the years.

Hater. Liar. Troll.

Thanks a lot.

Of course it never occurs to you that you could always stop being a hater, a liar or a troll, but that would require some level of self awareness, and I doubt it's there.  You usually indicate very little awareness about anything other than yourself too.

[Jazzhead]

So I have to just start agreeing with you more.   Got it.

[Hoodat]

Of course it never occurs to you that you could always stop being a hater, a liar or a troll, but that would require some level of self awareness, and I doubt it's there.  You usually indicate very little awareness about anything other than yourself too.

Word.

[Hoodat]

So I have to just start agreeing with you more.   Got it.

@Jazzhead

It isn't about agreeing with anyone.  It is about acknowledging truth.

Here's an example.  You have repeated over and over again that Trump's speech encouraged sedition.  Yet when challenged on it, not once did you actually read the speech to determine whether or not what you were saying was true.  You simply repeated the claim again.

Since then, you have been asked at least a couple of dozen times to pinpoint the words you found to be seditious.  And not once did you directly respond.  Are you aware that you do this?   Are you aware that you often embrace a premise that turns out to be false, and continue pushing that false premise even after begin shown it is false?

Perhaps some self-reflection is in order (see: self-awareness, above).  Because if you are not self-aware, then you have no hope of recovery.

[starbuck_archer]

You earned it.   In spades.

You have courage to stand against the prevailing opinion on this boards.  We should be celebrating this, not shutting it down like the Left.

[XenaLee]

@Jazzhead

It isn't about agreeing with anyone.  It is about acknowledging truth.

Here's an example.  You have repeated over and over again that Trump's speech encouraged sedition.  Yet when challenged on it, not once did you actually read the speech to determine whether or not what you were saying was true.  You simply repeated the claim again.

Since then, you have been asked at least a couple of dozen times to pinpoint the words you found to be seditious.  And not once did you directly respond.  Are you aware that you do this?   Are you aware that you often embrace a premise that turns out to be false, and continue pushing that false premise even after begin shown it is false?

Perhaps some self-reflection is in order (see: self-awareness, above).  Because if you are not self-aware, then you have no hope of recovery.

He also lied and claimed that Babbitt broke through a window in the Capitol building.   He's a lying propagandist.... and he will remain so.   They can't change their spots.

Jazzhead's despicable post (or one of them)....

She'd be alive today if she hadn't busted through a window.   She assumed the risk of her rebellion/lawbreaking;  sorry,  I have as much sympathy for her as I do for a Palestinian bomber who accidently blows himself up.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424763.msg2362653.html#msg2362653

[XenaLee]

You have courage to stand against the prevailing opinion on this boards.  We should be celebrating this, not shutting it down like the Left.

I'm going to do what I have done for decades on political forums or in political discussions.   Call out liars and their BS.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

It isn't about agreeing with anyone.  It is about acknowledging truth.

Here's an example.  You have repeated over and over again that Trump's speech encouraged sedition.  Yet when challenged on it, not once did you actually read the speech to determine whether or not what you were saying was true.  You simply repeated the claim again.

Since then, you have been asked at least a couple of dozen times to pinpoint the words you found to be seditious.  And not once did you directly respond.  Are you aware that you do this?   Are you aware that you often embrace a premise that turns out to be false, and continue pushing that false premise even after begin shown it is false?

Perhaps some self-reflection is in order (see: self-awareness, above).  Because if you are not self-aware, then you have no hope of recovery.

You play dishonest games,  both with respect to statistics (which you spout but never cite)  and the "demands" you make.   It is not a question of "pinpointing" words in Trump's January 6 exhortations to his followers , it is about the totality of circumstances that led to the riot, and Trump's refusal to take responsibility in its aftermath. 

 I have explained in detail this totality of circumstances that lead me to conclude that Trump did grave damage to the nation.  He indeed, over course of several weeks,  baited and misled his followers with phony charges (the election was not "stolen")  and false hopes that Pence could be pressured into taking unconstitutional actions to overturn a free and fair election.   His crowd reacted predictably and turned into a mob.

[Right_in_Virginia]

So I have to just start agreeing with you more.   Got it.

You'd do well to remember you are entitled to your own opinion, and not your own facts.

[Jazzhead]

You have courage to stand against the prevailing opinion on this boards.  We should be celebrating this, not shutting it down like the Left.

Thanks, @starbuck_archer ,  I appreciate it.  It is hypocritical to condemn the left while emulating its "cancel culture" tactics

[Right_in_Virginia]

You have courage to stand against the prevailing opinion on this boards.  We should be celebrating this, not shutting it down like the Left.

Where does truth fit with all your celebrating @starbuck_archer

[Right_in_Virginia]

Thanks, @starbuck_archer ,  I appreciate it.  It is hypocritical to condemn the left while emulating its "cancel culture" tactics

Do not play victim or wounded saint @Jazzhead   Nothing says members of this Forum must endure your perpetual lying, hating and condescension.  Nothing.

You might do well to make note of this, too @starbuck_archer

[Jazzhead]

You'd do well to remember you are entitled to your own opinion, and not your own facts.

If I mistate a fact,  I will gladly correct it.   

[Jazzhead]

Do not play victim or wounded saint @Jazzhead   Nothing says members of this Forum must endure your perpetual lying, hating and condescension.  Nothing.

You might do well to make note of this, too @starbuck_archer

Why not use the ignore feature if you cannot "endure" a contrary opinion?    You pinged me seven times last evening!   And why are you threatening a new member?

[starbuck_archer]

I have never met a contrary opinion  I haven't been able to shoot down with facts, first-person sources and second-hand sources.

Listen, you guys who support Trump are right: America has a swamp that needs to be drained of corruption.  That doesn't mean that people can't be honestly be against Trump if they are for the things that are vital to America: Free speech, etc....