Barr: No evidence of fraud that’d change election outcome

[Cyber Liberty]

And you reject overwhelming evidence that he did.

I dream of a day...when you actually believed solid evidence that challenges you world view.  That will happen when we start judging people not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

Still waiting...and not holding my breath.

[txradioguy]

And I should believe such evidence - why?   Forgive me for insisting on information from reputable sources.   Right wing kook media I will believe if and when their charges are echoed by the Wall St Journal,  National Review or credible actors like AG Barr.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

The Wall Street Journal and National Review...explains a lot.  They have the same squish moderate worldview as you do.  They also dislike Trump as much as you do.

You won't believe anything unless it's from your favorite echo chamber news sources.

Duly noted.

Tell me...how much of the sworn testimony that's been broadcast in Michigan and Georgia have you watched and heard first hand statements from people that were there on election night.

I'm guessing the answer is not one minute.

I'll reiterate what I said above...there's none so blind...

[Knox27]

As you are (apparently) believing everything spewed at you from SeeBS, CNN (Commie News Network), and from all the other leftist Pravda substitutes.

Thing is.... we on the right (not you) know how much, how often and how consistently the leftist lamestream media lies.   You should probably try to catch up to that reality.

Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism.  Do you people know what communism is?

CNN slants left but it in no way is communist. Neither were biden, obama, or Clinton.

Labelling everything as communist takes away from reasoned argument.  Its like leftists calling Republicans nazis.  It's stupid and counterproductive.

But id believe CNN before OAN.

Polls all said biden would win in the EC and popular vote. He did.  Its the American voter, not some absurd fraud conspiracy theory.  Open your eyes.

Republicans needed to show integrity and come through with health care plans and a stimulus package to win. We didn't. Thats on trump.

[Cyber Liberty]

Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism.  Do you people know what communism is?

You bet we do, and we also know that "Socialism" is a gateway drug.  As PJ O'Rourke has said, "Socialism is Communism sold by the drink.  If you don't understand that, then you will never understand conservatives.  You have certainly not demonstrated any evidence that you do.

[Jazzhead]

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

The Wall Street Journal and National Review...explains a lot.  They have the same squish moderate worldview as you do.  They also dislike Trump as much as you do.

You won't believe anything unless it's from your favorite echo chamber news sources.

Duly noted.

Tell me...how much of the sworn testimony that's been broadcast in Michigan and Georgia have you watched and heard first hand statements from people that were there on election night.

I'm guessing the answer is not one minute.

I'll reiterate what I said above...there's none so blind...

Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur.  It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result.   Biden won.  Trump lost.  By over 7 million votes.   That's not me saying that,  or even the WSJ.   It is the American people.

You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision.   Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.

[Knox27]

You bet we do, and we also know that "Socialism" is a gateway drug.  As PJ O'Rourke has said, "Socialism is Communism sold by the drink.  If you don't understand that, then you will never understand conservatives.  You have certainly not demonstrated any evidence that you do.

Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way.  Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.

Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy.

We are in a mixed economy.  I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism.  Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.

Words mean things.

[XenaLee]

Why do such a "healthy" portion of Republicans label everything on the left as communism.  Do you people know what communism is?

What the hell do you think Socialism is, which most Democrats, deep staters and globalists are A-OK with?    It's Communism with a smiley face.   It's the next step (or last step, rather) on the road TO Communism.   Frigging duh.

CNN slants left but it in no way is communist. Neither were biden, obama, or Clinton.

Oh bullshit.   CNN is representative of the commie left.   All day long and twice on Sundays.  And Bill Clinton may not ""openly"" espouse communist ideology, but he and Hillary AND Biden are all "on board" with socialist policies, including Obama.   Remember Obamacare?  (another frigging duh)

Labelling everything as communist takes away from reasoned argument.  Its like leftists calling Republicans nazis.  It's stupid and counterproductive.

Realists (not you) tend to call a spade a spade.... ie call it like it IS, not like they would want it to be.   You might want to catch a clue.    And in case you haven't been paying attention (and I'm betting you haven't)..... China... Communist China, specifically.... has a vested interest in Biden winning and Trump losing.   As does other communist enemy nations.  Hell, even the non-communist 'enemy of America' nations want Biden to win.   If that doesn't clue you in, nothing EVER will.

But id believe CNN before OAN.

Yeah, and that figures AND pretty much says it all re: your stance here.  Thanks for the honesty, at least.

Polls all said biden would win in the EC and popular vote. He did.  Its the American voter, not some absurd fraud conspiracy theory.  Open your eyes.

LOL!    The same polls that said Hillary would win, because they were banking and betting on the same election fraud campaign?   Trump was way ahead on election night BEFORE the aholes in those leftist swing states stopped counting and sent observers home.   Open YOUR eyes.... unless you just like being blind, wrong and stuckonstupid. 

Republicans needed to show integrity and come through with health care plans and a stimulus package to win. We didn't. Thats on trump.

We?   Is that the Royal We?   Cause in my logic book, anyone that would believe CNN as a legit "news source" is not only NOT on my side of the aisle, but does not qualify as a real Republican or as part of "We".   

As for passing a health care plan, it's kind of hard to do that when the DemocRATS control the branch of government that creates the laws to pass (duh).   And there was a stimulus bill passed.    Guess you were asleep at the switch while that passed, eh?   Bottom line.... with @holes like Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House, I'm surprised that anything got passed.   Anything that was actually "good" for America, that is.

[Cyber Liberty]

Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur.  It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result.   Biden won.  Trump lost.  By over 7 million votes.   That's not me saying that,  or even the WSJ.   It is the American people.

You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision.   Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.

Yup.  Still denying the evidence being presented that it does, indeed constitute fraud sufficient to overturn the will of the American People you profess to believe. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way.  Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.

Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy.

We are in a mixed economy.  I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism.  Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.

Words mean things.

As I expected, you took a swing at my point, and whiffed the ball.

[XenaLee]

Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way.  Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.

Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy.

We are in a mixed economy.  I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism.  Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.

Words mean things.

Good effing grief.   Higher taxes and over-regulation is government control of "We, the People"....as well as redistribution of wealth.... which damned well IS socialism.   Obamacare is/was government control over "We, the People" by exerting a grip on our short hairs via that mandate.   How fricking stupid would you have to be to not know, see or realize that?

[Jazzhead]

As I expected, you took a swing at my point, and whiffed the ball.

No,  he hit it out of the park.   Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.

[txradioguy]

Again - the issue isn't that fraud did not occur.  It is that there is no credible evidence that it arose to a level that would even come close to changing the result.   Biden won.  Trump lost.  By over 7 million votes.   That's not me saying that,  or even the WSJ.   It is the American people.

Credible evidence?  You mean like local on scene NBC reporters and stories reported by ABC kind of credible?

How about the fact that Republican ballot counters were sent home at 10:30...when Trump was leading...told to come back at 0830 to resume counting...meanwhile the Dem ballot counters stayed overnight and "counted" ballots and suddenly trump was trailing by a large margin.

The Republican poll watchers’ story matches this election night reporting perfectly. And it wasn’t just ABC that reported counting was being delayed. Many media outlets reported on counting delays. See, for example, “Fulton County stopped counting absentee ballots for the night.”

Local NBC journalists on site that night independently confirmed “they were told counting was done for the night” and given no indication it would continue before the next morning. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution even reported of a “plan” to stop scanning ballots at the same time the poll watchers said things were shut down:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/07/no-the-georgia-vote-counting-video-was-not-debunked-not-even-close/

There are none so blind...

You don't have to like it. Just respect their decision.   Or be a whining, destructive sore loser like Stacey Abrams.

Your attempt to smear those that disagree with you as somehow being the same as Stacey Abrams might be humorous to your Lincoln Project loving friends...but as with all your attempts at smears...it's an apples and oranges comparison.  And what makes it even more lame is you constantly complain about "personal attacks" by other members.

[catfish1957]

No,  he hit it out of the park.   Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.

Well I see more than one zebra is showing his stripes today.  AOC is delighted with this TBR infiltration.

BTW...did you even bother to read the 2020 democratic plank this year?  Tell mme how much of that was liberalism, or hinging on socialism

[Hoodat]

@Jazzhead

Here's but one example.  You had made the claim that in your own county, voters who voted for Trump in 2016 abandoned him in 2020.  But when you were confronted with Montgomery County vote totals from each election showing that support for Trump grew from 2016 to 2020, you suddenly went silent with no acknowledgement that the FACTS presented to you were in conflict with your claim.

A week later, you reappeared, again offering the claim that Montgomery County's 2016 Trump voters abandoned him in 2020.  Again, you were confronted with Montgomery vote totals that contradicted your claim, and again you went silent, only to resurface today.

Now step outside of yourself for a moment and consider how others view that behavior.  Each time you are confronted with truth, you run away from it, disappear for a few days, and then return with a chronic case of amnesia.

[Cyber Liberty]

No,  he hit it out of the park.   Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.

I see you are still making points with the truthfulness and clarity I've come to expect. 

[Cyber Liberty]

@Jazzhead

Here's but one example.  You had made the claim that in your own county, voters who voted for Trump in 2016 abandoned him in 2020.  But when you were confronted with Montgomery County vote totals from each election showing that support for Trump grew from 2016 to 2020, you suddenly went silent with no acknowledgement that the FACTS presented to you were in conflict with your claim.

A week later, you reappeared, again offering the claim that Montgomery County's 2016 Trump voters abandoned him in 2020.  Again, you were confronted with Montgomery vote totals that contradicted your claim, and again you went silent, only to resurface today.

Now step outside of yourself for a moment and consider how others view that behavior.  Each time you are confronted with truth, you run away from it, disappear for a few days, and then return with a chronic case of amnesia.

To be honest, the last time he "disappeared" was Management's doing.   

[XenaLee]

I see you are still making points with the truthfulness and clarity I've come to expect. 

Hey... is that a nice way (an admin's way) of saying that he's lying out his @ss?   

[catfish1957]

To be honest, the last time he "disappeared" was Management's doing.   

I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well I see more than one zebra is showing his stripes today.  AOC is delighted with this TBR infiltration.

BTW...did you even bother to read the 2020 democratic plank this year?  Tell mme how much of that was liberalism, or hinging on socialism

According to commie-symps, it ain't "socialism" if people ain't being loaded onto cattle-cars on the way to the Gulags.  Now, shut up, calm down, knuckle under and hand over your guns like a good boy.

[txradioguy]

Please show me democratic party sponsored bills and how far they've gone that amount to government taking ownership of private business? Or bills that work to outlaw private ownership in any meaningful way.  Jesus christ we're the stupid party and its sometimes embarrassing.

California AB 5

Obamacare

They hate private equity firms:

Progressive Democrats ramp up attacks on private equity

https://thehill.com/hilltv

Biden has vowed to repeal the PLCAA

They also want your 401K

Biden retirement proposal would upend traditional 401(k) plans

https://www.rollcall.com/2020/08/24/biden-retirement-proposal-would-upend-traditional-401k-plans/

Yeah unchecked the left would tend to socialism...so I save that ire for the squad and one of the appeals of the right is a bulwark against the far left...but to say media that isn't far right is communist is abject idiocy

Except it's not.  I've spent my entire life dealing with the media.  The majority of them...a good 90-05% hate normal Americans and think AOC's proposals don't go far enough.  They believe that any time Republicans score a huge political win (like the 1994 GOP takeover of the House) America...in the words of Peter Jennings is having a "tantrum".

You only have to look at what stories the media promotes and the ones they ignore or spike all together to know what their true feelings are.

And everything they support...is socialist/communist in nature and outcome.

We are in a mixed economy.  I dont want raised taxes but thats not socialism.  Overrregulation is bad, but thats not socialism.

Means to an end.  Their goal is Socialist utopia.  The Cloward-Piven strategy at work.

Words mean things.

And yet you ignore the words that are put out there every day by the media that show what you're denying.

Perhaps you should actually read some of those words.

[XenaLee]

I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.

A troll by any other name is still a troll.   Hasn't he always been like this (ie pre-2019)....

except for the exceedingly rare occasions when either:   he was trying to confuse us with a momentary lapse of clarity ... or someone less-leftie in his household must have logged in and posted under his nic...lololol.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.

I think he participated in his town's blatant fraud, which is likely why he refuses to see the evidence that he and his buddies blatantly cheated.  There appears to be the zeal of the emotionally vested at work.

Besides, he has been doing this long before "Lincoln Log Republicans" existed.  Remember the "Insure your guns!" argument?

[txradioguy]

No,  he hit it out of the park.

You wish 

Indiscrimate labelling of conventional liberalism as communism or socialism makes it impossible to tell the real thing when it comes along.

How do you tell a Communist? Well, it’s someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It’s someone who understands Marx and Lenin.

[XenaLee]

According to commie-symps, it ain't "socialism" if people ain't being loaded onto cattle-cars on the way to the Gulags.  Now, shut up, calm down, knuckle under and hand over your guns like a good boy.

Speaking of which.... it's no wonder that Jazzy seems to be on-board with a Biden win... since Biden has said he will "tax" guns owned by Americans....

just like Jazzy has  been wanting all along.

[txradioguy]

I'd almost wager money Jazzy is a Lincoln Project distruptor.

@catfish1957

IMHO his top two favorites for "news" is the Lincoln Project and The Bulwark.