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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #125 on: July 17, 2020, 02:49:04 pm »

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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #126 on: July 17, 2020, 02:51:33 pm »
I know what you mean.  And that's a great song to start my Friday off with too!  :beer:

It's my political theme song.  :seeya:

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« Reply #127 on: July 17, 2020, 03:04:21 pm »
I'm about there myself.  We had someone close in 2016, but the GOP Establishment did everything in their power to destroy them, even to the point of allying themselves with Trump.  And with the rule changes put in place at Trump's Convention, there's no way any Conservative can rise up from the grass roots again.  Trump was bad enough.  But the Establishment takeover at the GOP Convention was a murderous blade twisting in all our backs.

 :yowsa: Absolute FACT!  And that is EXACTLY why I resigned from the office I then held and turned in my party credentials the very next day.
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #128 on: July 17, 2020, 03:48:25 pm »
If Will wasn't a baseball fan, you'd be calling him a hack.

You equating the level of entitlement from 1978 to now, is folly at its best.  Maybe you slept through that era, or was eating too much  gubmit cheese.  :cool:
I was alive and well in 1978. (Well, considering the state of my life at the time, I wouldn't say I was entirely well at the time.) The only cheese I ate was whatever I bought at a supermarket or some specialty store. My point was not to compare "levels" of entitlement between eras but to remind people that entitlement itself as a government M.O. has lived since and long before then. I give you this, which I happened to stumble upon and read around the same time as Mr. Will wrote:

If we look beneath the surface of our public affairs, we can discern one fundamental fact, namely: a great redistribution of power between society and the State. This is the fact that interests the student of civilization. He has only a secondary or derived interest in matters like price-fixing, wage-fixing, inflation, political banking, "agricultural adjustment," and similar items of State policy that fill the pages of newspapers and the mouths of publicists and politicians. All these can be run up under one head. They have an immediate and temporary importance, and for this reason they monopolize public attention, but they all come to the same thing; which is, an increase of State power and a corresponding decrease of social power.

It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can there be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power . . .

. . . Heretofore in this country sudden crises of misfortune have been met by a mobilisation of social power. In fact . . . destitution, unemployment, "depression," and similar ills, have been no concern of the State, but have been relieved by the application of social power . . . [But] the State assumed this function, publicly announcing the doctrine, brand-new in our history, that the State owes its citizens a living. Students of politics, of course, saw in this merely an astute proposal for a prodigious enhancement of State power; merely what, as long ago as 1794, James Madison called "the old trick of turning every contingency into a resource for accumulating force in the government"; and the passage of time has proved that they were right. The effect of this upon the balance between State power and social power is clear, and also its effect of a general indoctrination with the idea that an exercise of social power upon such matters is no longer called for . . .

. . . The State has said to society, You are either not exercising enough power to meet the emergency, or are exercising it in what I think is an incompetent way, so I shall confiscate your power, and exercise it to suit myself . . .

That was Albert Jay Nock, writing in Our Enemy, the State---in 1935.



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« Reply #129 on: July 17, 2020, 03:54:35 pm »
I was alive and well in 1978. (Well, considering the state of my life at the time, I wouldn't say I was entirely well at the time.) The only cheese I ate was whatever I bought at a supermarket or some specialty store. My point was not to compare "levels" of entitlement between eras but to remind people that entitlement itself as a government M.O. has lived since and long before then. I give you this, which I happened to stumble upon and read around the same time as Mr. Will wrote:

If we look beneath the surface of our public affairs, we can discern one fundamental fact, namely: a great redistribution of power between society and the State. This is the fact that interests the student of civilization. He has only a secondary or derived interest in matters like price-fixing, wage-fixing, inflation, political banking, "agricultural adjustment," and similar items of State policy that fill the pages of newspapers and the mouths of publicists and politicians. All these can be run up under one head. They have an immediate and temporary importance, and for this reason they monopolize public attention, but they all come to the same thing; which is, an increase of State power and a corresponding decrease of social power.

It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can there be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power . . .

. . . Heretofore in this country sudden crises of misfortune have been met by a mobilisation of social power. In fact . . . destitution, unemployment, "depression," and similar ills, have been no concern of the State, but have been relieved by the application of social power . . . [But] the State assumed this function, publicly announcing the doctrine, brand-new in our history, that the State owes its citizens a living. Students of politics, of course, saw in this merely an astute proposal for a prodigious enhancement of State power; merely what, as long ago as 1794, James Madison called "the old trick of turning every contingency into a resource for accumulating force in the government"; and the passage of time has proved that they were right. The effect of this upon the balance between State power and social power is clear, and also its effect of a general indoctrination with the idea that an exercise of social power upon such matters is no longer called for . . .

. . . The State has said to society, You are either not exercising enough power to meet the emergency, or are exercising it in what I think is an incompetent way, so I shall confiscate your power, and exercise it to suit myself . . .

That was Albert Jay Nock, writing in Our Enemy, the State---in 1935.

Powerful stuff. The slide is accelerating with the peoples blessings.

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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #130 on: July 17, 2020, 03:56:07 pm »
"I didn't vote for a priest!"   

I'm old enough to remember when conservatives found Bill Clinton morally reprehensible.
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2020, 03:58:34 pm »
Powerful stuff. The slide is accelerating with the peoples blessings.
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« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2020, 04:13:25 pm »
Powerful stuff. The slide is accelerating with the peoples blessings.

Giving up agency for the illusion of safety...
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2020, 04:36:09 pm »
I feel that. And Leftist dogma has ravaged my community more than any other.
But, I simply can't vote for someone that I believe to be an amoral defect. Trump's repugnance is too rapacious for me to countenance.

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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #134 on: July 17, 2020, 04:40:11 pm »
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Your accusation of virtue signaling is virtue signaling in it's own right... The circular thinking of such a thing... Not a wonder as the term was invented by liberals. Why do you persist in it?

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« Reply #135 on: July 17, 2020, 04:50:22 pm »
Just a side comment to back to the original discussion of Cruz' Pod Casts....  I've gone through about 5 of them now, and they are damn good.  I especially like the one with him and Lindsey Graham giving some anecdotal scoop around  some of the Impeachment Hearing Dealings.  Well worth the 30 minutes.
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #136 on: July 17, 2020, 05:02:01 pm »
And happening on Trump's watch.  A fact his fans here conveniently avoid  talking about.

I am willing to talk aboutthe decit. Don'tlike it.

1. He rebuilt our military, allowed to decline over 8 years of Obama. The money should have been charged to Obama's account instead.

2. Covid-19, hopefully a once in a century occurrence.  Hopefully a rapid V-shaped recovery.

3. As an American veteran, I feel the enemies are China and the democrats, and Trump is on America's side.

4.The Republican primaries are over and Trump won resoundingly.

Fortunately Fertile in the Crescent, or Batshyte-Krazy in Seattle, aren't on the ballot, too.


 
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« Reply #137 on: July 17, 2020, 05:08:20 pm »
I am willing to talk aboutthe decit. Don'tlike it.

1. He rebuilt our military, allowed to decline over 8 years of Obama. The money should have been charged to Obama's account instead.

2. Covid-19, hopefully a once in a century occurrence.  Hopefully a rapid V-shaped recovery.

3. As an American veteran, I feel the enemies are China and the democrats, and Trump is on America's side.

4.The Republican primaries are over and Trump won resoundingly.

Fortunately Fertile in the Crescent, or Batshyte-Krazy in Seattle, aren't on the ballot, too.


 

Thanks.  Now Trump would really gain some fans, if he would put his foot down, and say the Governemnt ATM is over, and we need to pull ourselves up by our boot straps, and fix this economy.  Sadly, I don't think that is the case, unless you have some information that I don't.
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« Reply #138 on: July 17, 2020, 05:11:37 pm »
Your accusation of virtue signaling is virtue signaling in it's own right... The circular thinking of such a thing... Not a wonder as the term was invented by liberals. Why do you persist in it?

Already stated numerous times here.

You want a 'Sainted' man for POTUS, go and find one for us to support. 

In the meantime, I'll accept any alternative to Socialism and Marxism in the United States.

And if you're any kind of patriotic American, so should you and your buddies here.

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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #139 on: July 17, 2020, 05:22:33 pm »
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We've been watching you for 4 years bitching and moaning that the delivered candidates aren't up to your expectations because they're not pure enough for you to support.

Doesn't matter that the other alternative choice is Marxist/Socialist.  You continue to sit on that high horse of yours as a spectator.


Roamer wouldn't vote for himself if HE were the Presidential candidate because even he isn't "pure enough" to meet his minimum standards.

No one on Earth is because we elect presidents,NOT dictators,and presidents HAVE to make compromises and "give a little" to "get a little".

Only dictators can give orders.
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #140 on: July 17, 2020, 05:32:37 pm »
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Re: Ted Cruz: Future of conservatism is populist and libertarian
« Reply #141 on: July 17, 2020, 05:42:50 pm »
Already stated numerous times here.

You want a 'Sainted' man for POTUS, go and find one for us to support. 

In the meantime, I'll accept any alternative to Socialism and Marxism in the United States.

And if you're any kind of patriotic American, so should you and your buddies here.

Something better than a carnival barker would be a good start.

You don't argue the points. Just deride the person making the argument.

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« Reply #142 on: July 17, 2020, 05:50:15 pm »
Something better than a carnival barker would be a good start.

You don't argue the points. Just deride the person making the argument.

I've argued the so-called points all thru 2015-2018.

Comes a time when you run out of crayons to explain their ridiculous positions.

And IMHO, you're way out of your depth here.
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« Reply #143 on: July 17, 2020, 05:51:49 pm »
Roamer wouldn't vote for himself if HE were the Presidential candidate because even he isn't "pure enough" to meet his minimum standards.

No one on Earth is because we elect presidents,NOT dictators,and presidents HAVE to make compromises and "give a little" to "get a little".

Only dictators can give orders.

The thing is @sneakypete , I would have voted for Cruz. And I did vote for Castle. So in that, your observations are invalid. And I don't mind compromise, providing that the basic principles of conservatism are met. I am certainly not for giving away everything just to win. A pyrrhic victory at best.

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« Reply #144 on: July 17, 2020, 05:54:55 pm »
Already stated numerous times here.

You want a 'Sainted' man for POTUS, go and find one for us to support. 

In the meantime, I'll accept any alternative to Socialism and Marxism in the United States.

And if you're any kind of patriotic American, so should you and your buddies here.

I don't need a Saint. I just want a viable Conservative candidate. And it goes against everything to vote for anything else. And I think your candidate is a socialist, and I see very little difference between your side and the left

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« Reply #145 on: July 17, 2020, 05:56:00 pm »
Something better than a carnival barker would be a good start.

You don't argue the points. Just deride the person making the argument.

Yep.

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« Reply #146 on: July 17, 2020, 05:56:54 pm »
vote
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« Reply #147 on: July 17, 2020, 06:03:43 pm »
Something better than a carnival barker would be a good start.

You don't argue the points. Just deride the person making the argument.

When you find yourself repeating the same line the leftists used in 2016 to denigrate Trump—carnival barker—you might not be helping the right side.

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« Reply #148 on: July 17, 2020, 06:47:49 pm »
When you find yourself repeating the same line the leftists used in 2016 to denigrate Trump—carnival barker—you might not be helping the right side.

Trump's background and behavior is exactly what it is.

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« Reply #149 on: July 17, 2020, 06:51:45 pm »
When you find yourself repeating the same line the leftists used in 2016 to denigrate Trump—carnival barker—you might not be helping the right side.

So if he's your side's carnival barker all is okay. Its a bit like the Emperors New clothes... Deny the obvious for the cause.