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I have an experiment for all y'all... An exercise...

Wear your mask long enough to get it wet from your breath... About 10-15 minutes.
Light up a smoke, stand in front of a mirror, and with your mask in place, EXHALE.

Prove it to yourself.

That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.

What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.
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That's what sends me ballistic about all these mask nuts is that they act like its a cross of gold against a vampire, when they are minimally effective at best.

What REALLY galls me is that these same people generally have taken crap care of themselves so that they are vulnerable to a virus, yet will do nothing to improve their immunity, or even take antivirals, but they're ready to call SWAT to gun you down for not wearing a flimsy little fashion mask.

It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.

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'It is not a suppression of your freedom'..... they have lied before.

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WHAT? SAY IT AIN'T SO!
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What happened to the virus dies in the heat therefore summer months should kill it off?  Seems like it was wrong.

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Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.
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Well,to be fair to those scientists,MOST viruses don't have labs of people giving them updates.
It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised? :silly:
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It's just breathtaking bullcrap. I really had no idea how compliant we had become as 'americans'... All it takes is a politician and some doctor with a piece of paper on the wall, and folks will do ANYTHING they tell you to - Without thinking at all.

Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

Here's a stupid, illogical one.   Went to On The Border with a friend last week.  You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant.  But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off.   This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in.   Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.   If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

Here's a stupid, illogical one.   Went to On The Border with a friend last week.  You have to wear a mask just walking into the restaurant.  But as soon as they seat you, you can take the mask off.   This was at lunch time and there was only three other tables in the whole place that had customers, only one other table in the area we were sitting in.   Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.   If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.

Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered.  And for what exactly?
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It's from China, and you expected it to work as advertised? :silly:

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LOL!

The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.
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Right now, according to my across the street neighbors who own a large restaurant, 50% of the restaurants that were open in this country in January of this year have been permanently shuttered.  And for what exactly?

Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all.   Right?
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Well, you and I know the ulterior motive behind it all.   Right?

 :yowsa: Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees.  Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.
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:yowsa: Of course we do! But that does not make it one bit less painful for all those business owners and their former employees.  Some of those people had everything invested in those businesses.

Yeah.   Some used up their last dime in savings to open a business. 

And the bar-owners are completely shut down again here in Texas.  Asinine mandate... and I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).   
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LOL!

The good news is to not worry because the Chinese will probably have all the bugs worked in by 2025.
@sneakypete Those aren't bugs, round-eye, those are features!
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

@XenaLee

I have COPD,so I can't wear a mask. They cut off what little air I do get.

So I wear my Lincoln Welding face shield helmet,with a flip up visor. The visor is open at the bottom to allow air in,and it sits a couple of inches away from my nose,allowing me to breathe as easily with it on as I do with it off.

I wear it as a courtesy to others because I am under no delusion as to it or masks being able to stop a airborne virus.

I already had it because I use it when grinding or cutting steel,or weed-whacking in my yard to protect my eyes and face from flying debris.

Wearing it also allows me to not get mad over some numbnuts whining about me not wearing a mask. I barely stopped myself from "laying on hands to "heal" someone" one day,and decided it was also better for me if I wore something. I don't need to waste my money paying fines and lawyers.

   
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Wearing a mask while walking in does what, exactly?   Nothing.  Absolutely nothing.


You will NEVER win an emotional argument using logic.

 
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And there is no way these restaurants will be able to stay in business with that few customers.  They still have to pay the cooks, wait staff, etc. regular pay no matter how few customers there are.

That is one of the major problems,and IMNSHO,THE big reason the DNC worked together with the Chinese to develop and release it.  Most of the original service industry workers are now unemployed and drawing unemployment. When that runs out,they will be on welfare,and losing their cars,their houses,and everything they have worked for their whole lives.

Guess who they are going to blame for "crashing the economy and putting me out of my house"? That's right,Trump.

And the Dims will be on every tv station in the nation reminding voters of the "fact" that Trump is responsible for ALL their problems because he just didn't "do enough because he is a billionaire and he does't care about working people".

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If the nation doesn't open back up our employment and American businesses will be permanently destroyed... as intended by the America-hating left.

See the above,and the Dims will be hailed by every media outlet in the nation as the people who tried to save them,but Trump just wouldn't let them.
 
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Just because the store owners/managers/PTBs are all wusses that caved to government official "mandates"....doesn't mean that most of us are, as well.  If I didn't "have" to wear a mask to get groceries and other items, I wouldn't wear one.

No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.

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I don't even go to bars (any more...lol).

Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
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In Pennsylvania bars and restaurants which had been shut down for two weeks will now be allowed to open on condition that (a) the bars also have a restaurant attached and cannot allow seating at the bar (must serve alcohol only to restaurant tables or allow takeout); and  (b) no more than 25% of capacity allowed indoors. 

Restaurant/bar owners and certain politicians are going to again seek to have the courts curb the Goobernor's powers in this regard.  They already tried once and failed.

Meanwhile, there was another "peaceful demonstration" near Pittsburgh today.  The media will only show aerial views so we can't exactly tell how many people are gathered, whether they are wearing masks or practicing social distancing. 

But law abiding citizens who own bars. restaurants and other entertainment venues are being punished for an alleged rise in COVID cases.

What's wrong with this picture?

 

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No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.
The local Menards started losing business today...

Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....
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No... Why there aren't vast hordes of folks refusing to wear masks IMPOSING their will on those businesses is the problem. THE FOLKS ain't saying 'Oh Hell No!', or the businesses first,, and the government next, would fold up and comply with the people.

That is compliance.

What makes you think they aren't obeying?  Don't tell me you're believing the press!
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Right... but the question is, do you go to the bars ANY LESS? :P
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I dunno.  The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left.  "Cyber's Place."  It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out.  That's why I keep a spare keg.
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I dunno.  The only bar I've been to since I came here, is the one about 20 ft to my left.  "Cyber's Place."  It has my favorite beer on tap, as long as I remember to replenish my supply when kegs run out.  That's why I keep a spare keg.

Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier.  888high58888
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Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier.  888high58888
Not to mention the drive home is safer. :whistle:
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Nothing wrong with that -- makes life a lot more easier.  888high58888

Indeed it does!  I was tasked by the GOP Director to fill a baby wagon with booze for a silent auction at the Picnic Saturday.  I merely had to grab the top-shelf stuff off the bar, and voila!  $300 bucks worth of booze in 6 bottles.  It's good to own a Bar.
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...and it would prevent you from getting lost in your own subdivision trying to find your house too (long story - one of my high school days)
Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm. :silly:
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The local Menards started losing business today...

Funny they set the mask policy for today two weeks ago, about a week before cases started rising in this county....

Well we got the axe today.... Our dem governor has ruled that any county with more than four active cases (which is pretty well every county), mask wearing is mandatory in businesses, with the businesses being fined $300 for first incident, and $500 for every incident thereafter.

Flathead county has a total of 100 cases, and most of those are imported by folks coming in to their summer homes.

Sonsabitches are gonna make me do it... whether I damnwell want to or not. Well screw em. I wont anyhow.

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Just turn around and go the other way around the block. Works like a charm. :silly:

Easier said then done.
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