Sweden's top INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERT says lockdowns aren't based on science

[NewsJunkie]

“Nothing to do with [them] has a scientific basis” - Anders Tegnell

It’s an astonishing claim. If the lockdowns are not based on science, what are they based on? As it happens, The New York Times recently traced the history of social US social distancing policy.

The origins apparently stem from the deep state in 2006 based off a high school paper. Then computer scientists with no epidemiology experence drew up a computer model for "social distancing" and the rest is history.

more:
https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/05/swedens-top-infectious-disease-expert.html

[aligncare]

Well, it’s clear that we have a problem with what to do about educating our kids during an epidemic. A problem exacerbated by the politics of the moment.

Many states schools are being forced to lockdown with no clear end in sight, with children staying home seemingly indefinitely. This presents a huge problem for parents who need to go to work, but don’t have the resources to pay for child care. Many parents have recently been rehired as parts of the economy open, but may not be able to show up over childcare issues, crippling a hoped for economic rebound.

I think some governors and mayors with political agendas are using Covid19 and children as pawns in their political games. That’s my take away.

[Applewood]

Welcome @NewsJunkie !

For every story like the one you posted, there are screaming headlines like this:

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths in Europe per capita over the past week, according to Oxford data

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-most-coronavirus-deaths-europe-per-capita-report-2020-5

[skeeter]

Welcome @NewsJunkie !

For every story like the one you posted, there are screaming headlines like this:

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths in Europe per capita over the past week, according to Oxford data

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-most-coronavirus-deaths-europe-per-capita-report-2020-5

You can be certain that in six months, when the rest of the world is still suffering the effects of the virus while it's no longer a concern in Sweden because the population is immune, these reporters won't bother admitting they were full of sh*t.

[roamer_1]

You can be certain that in six months, when the rest of the world is still suffering the effects of the virus while it's no longer a concern in Sweden because the population is immune, these reporters won't bother admitting they were full of sh*t.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

It isn't scientific. If it were, then history would have other examples as such. This is a NEW thing. It is a social manipulation based in fear. And believe me, if they can scare you into compliance, be assured, there is more of that to come.

[berdie]

Welcome @NewsJunkie !

For every story like the one you posted, there are screaming headlines like this:

Sweden recorded the most coronavirus deaths in Europe per capita over the past week, according to Oxford data

https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-most-coronavirus-deaths-europe-per-capita-report-2020-5

And that is the reason I'm beginning to get testy. The dang media reports that swing one way and then the other on all things. Sweden all well...no, no Sweden has the worst cases in Europe. Same with the US reporting.  Don't wear a mask...wear a mask. We have it under control...no we don't and on and on.

[roamer_1]

And that is the reason I'm beginning to get testy. The dang media reports that swing one way and then the other on all things. Sweden all well...no, no Sweden has the worst cases in Europe. Same with the US reporting.  Don't wear a mask...wear a mask. We have it under control...no we don't and on and on.

That's right. And why I stay out of town and do as I see fit. I don't believe any little damn bit of it.

[berdie]

That's right. And why I stay out of town and do as I see fit. I don't believe any little damn bit of it.

I've only been to town (small place) about 3 times since March. That is truthfully not out of the norm for me. But I have family that aren't as fortunate as I. It worries me and the news/politics blah-blah worries me even more. But I can't stop things out of my control.  I haven't been watching a lot of news so I guess I'll watch even less...Leave It To Beaver and Gunsmoke reruns...here I come.

[roamer_1]

I've only been to town (small place) about 3 times since March. That is truthfully not out of the norm for me. But I have family that aren't as fortunate as I. It worries me and the news/politics blah-blah worries me even more. But I can't stop things out of my control.  I haven't been watching a lot of news so I guess I'll watch even less...Leave It To Beaver and Gunsmoke reruns...here I come.

Same for me. 

My town ain't so small... About 40k... And since I moved here, I am only a mile out from it... There's McMansions going up across the road on land we used to lease... All that has gone up in the 7 years I been here. If I can get my legs back under me, I'll be headed for Nirada or up the Yaak somewhere... Up in the sticks behind a small town with one church and one grocery/hardware/post office... That's where I belong. But I act like I am there anyhow... I get to the feed store pretty often and the ranch supply, and sometimes the auto parts store... But otherwise I seldom turn the truck to run that mile into town. I turn the other way.

As to the nonsense, I leave my life in the hands of my Maker. If he's got my ticket punched, that's the day, and the only day, I saddle up to cross the great divide. No Fear.

Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil... And all that. Don't matter if it's this dumass little bug, or a griz. All the same thing. 

[bilo]

You can be certain that in six months, when the rest of the world is still suffering the effects of the virus while it's no longer a concern in Sweden because the population is immune, these reporters won't bother admitting they were full of sh*t.

Hey when did hell freeze over?

I think the lockdowns made sense when the data from the "experts" indicated we wouldn't have enough hospital beds or ventilators. Once we discovered that wasn't true we should have ended the lockdowns.

[roamer_1]

Hey when did hell freeze over?

I think the lockdowns made sense when the data from the "experts" indicated we wouldn't have enough hospital beds or ventilators. Once we discovered that wasn't true we should have ended the lockdowns.

That presupposes they actually ARE experts. Which point is no longer in question.

[bilo]

I've only been to town (small place) about 3 times since March. That is truthfully not out of the norm for me. But I have family that aren't as fortunate as I. It worries me and the news/politics blah-blah worries me even more. But I can't stop things out of my control.  I haven't been watching a lot of news so I guess I'll watch even less...Leave It To Beaver and Gunsmoke reruns...here I come.

I'm a big city boy. I love it.

I'm in the real estate business and I've noticed that the tenants that are most anxious are pretty liberal. The tenants that are not anxious and have pretty much gone on about their lives are conservative. I kind of feel bad for the anxiety driven folks because it's no way to live life, but then again these are the same idiots who support all the stupid leftist policies.

[bilo]

That presupposes they actually ARE experts. Which point is no longer in question.

This is one of the clearest lessons from this crisis. The experts are not as accomplished and smart as they think they are.

[roamer_1]

I'm a big city boy. I love it.

Can't stand it. Avoid it like the plague (pardon the pun).
Even having to go to Missoula or Spokane - Which you would probably consider towns - comes with foreboding.

[roamer_1]

This is one of the clearest lessons from this crisis. The experts are not as accomplished and smart as they think they are.

They never are... Authority and papers on the wall in fancy frames don't mean sh*t. Never has, never will...

[Applewood]

This is one of the clearest lessons from this crisis. The experts are not as accomplished and smart as they think they are.

And I wonder how many are compensated to give the opinions they give.  I'm always wary of headlines that start off with something like "500 Infectious Disease Experts Say..."  Really?  500?   I'm willing to bet that if, ordinarily, you put 500 infectious disease specialists in a room, they could not agree on whether the sun is out today or not.  So it makes me think that these people are (a) lacking in any credible credentials  in the field of infectious diseases and/or (b) are being paid to render their crackpot opinions.

[roamer_1]

And I wonder how many are compensated to give the opinions they give.  I'm always wary of headlines that start off with something like "500 Infectious Disease Experts Say..."  Really?  500?   I'm willing to bet that if, ordinarily, you put 500 infectious disease specialists in a room, they could not agree on whether the sun is out today or not.  So it makes me think that these people are (a) lacking in any credible credentials  in the field of infectious diseases and/or (b) are being paid to render their crackpot opinions.

That's right. More right than you know. The illusion is 'settled science'...

[bilo]

Can't stand it. Avoid it like the plague (pardon the pun).
Even having to go to Missoula or Spokane - Which you would probably consider towns - comes with foreboding.

I would consider them towns.

I love the country for a couple hours and then I get restless.

The biggest problem in living in a big city is there are a lot of liberals and for all their moral preening they don't understand the concept of liberty. In today's environment they want everyone shut in because their anxiety is all consuming. From my perspective they have the liberty to stay home if they want, but I should have the right to live my life. I can calculate the risks and make judgements for myself.

[bilo]

And I wonder how many are compensated to give the opinions they give.  I'm always wary of headlines that start off with something like "500 Infectious Disease Experts Say..."  Really?  500?   I'm willing to bet that if, ordinarily, you put 500 infectious disease specialists in a room, they could not agree on whether the sun is out today or not.  So it makes me think that these people are (a) lacking in any credible credentials  in the field of infectious diseases and/or (b) are being paid to render their crackpot opinions.

We've sure seen a fair share of this with the "climate crisis".

I get tired of the people running around with their hair on fire telling me I should worry about something.

As with everything, I think the Rats have way over played their hand with the lockdowns. They are holding the country back from trying to get going again and it may work for those who want somebody to take care of them as a child for their entire life, but I believe a majority of the country rather be free.

[bilo]

That's right. More right than you know. The illusion is 'settled science'...

I have a good friend who is a scientist. One of the points he often makes is the great steps forward in science more often than not come from the "outliers" on the Bell Curve. Settled science is in the middle of the Bell Curve, there may be some truth there but there isn't any great understanding.

[roamer_1]

I would consider them towns.

I love the country for a couple hours and then I get restless.

For me just the other way around. Everything concrete and pavement, no green... No stone, no water... Too much noise - can't hear. The place stinks, can't smell the wind... All boxed in, can't see landmarks... Can't see the stars. Makes me jangley right from the get-go. Give me big, wide open country anytime.

I should have the right to live my life. I can calculate the risks and make judgements for myself.

That's right.  In the country that's just a matter of course. you MUST live your life, calculate risks and make judgements all on your own... Because there ain't nobody to do it for you.

[bilo]

One bright spot with the Wuhan Virus crisis is a couple of liberals I know have finally started rethinking their views about conservatives. Our governor is among the stupid crowd and now they are beginning to see it. I just keep preaching liberty "it's a conservative value".

[roamer_1]

I have a good friend who is a scientist. One of the points he often makes is the great steps forward in science more often than not come from the "outliers" on the Bell Curve. Settled science is in the middle of the Bell Curve, there may be some truth there but there isn't any great understanding.

That's right... Movers and shakers in business always seem to come from a concept built in a garage too. There is a trend in that.

But more so, there is a force toward continuation in science - their own brand of normalcy bias or group think that bends reality to their will for far too many.

Do you know what reality is for me? My own hand in a sasquatch track. That has happened, and more than once. Now who do I believe? Science or my own lying eyes?

And everyone will laugh and point at this post... Tells me plenty.

[bilo]

That's right... Movers and shakers in business always seem to come from a concept built in a garage too. There is a trend in that.

But more so, there is a force toward continuation in science - their own brand of normalcy bias or group think that bends reality to their will for far too many.

Do you know what reality is for me? My own hand in a sasquatch track. That has happened, and more than once. Now who do I believe? Science or my own lying eyes?

And everyone will laugh and point at this post... Tells me plenty.

The best example of this is Einstein and his theory of relativity. He was working as a patent clerk when he wrote it because no university would hire him.

As far as your sasquatch track goes all I can say is if you catch one you will make a fortune.