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Tensions rise between the White House and CDC as Birx critiques virus tracking

By Kristen Holmes and Nick Valencia, CNN 2 hrs ago

As the coronavirus pandemic stretches past its ninth week, tensions are rising between the White House and the nation's leading public health agency. In interviews with CNN, senior administration officials in Washington, as well as top officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta describe a growing sense of mistrust and animosity between the White House and CDC over how quickly the US should reopen and how the government tracks data on the virus...……..

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/tensions-rise-between-the-white-house-and-cdc-as-birx-critiques-virus-tracking/ar-BB14aWPv?ocid=spartanntp

In the article it says that Dr. Birx believes the way the CDC gathers data on the coronavirus is antiquated, causing inaccurate and delayed numbers on both virus cases and deaths.
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Birx is associate of Fauci.  Appointed by Obama and tied to Clinton Foundation

EXCLUSIVE: Dr. Birx’s Connections with the Clinton Foundation and Obama Unfortunately Indicate Conflicted Loyalties
By Jim Hoft
Published March 31, 2020 at 8:52am
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Is Dr. Deborah Birx, the doctor with the scarf, a voice of reason or another Deep State doctor pushing economic disaster and suffering?

Excerpt:

Dr. Birx’s husband is former Bill Clinton advance man Paige Reffe.   This relationship with Democrats and the Clinton’s is something that the good doctor is unable to separate from.


In an article in the Washington Post magazine, Dr. Birx is noted as being the perfect fit for Obama’s Head of PEPFAR (The President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief):

In 2014, PEPFAR had been flat-funded for four consecutive years by the Obama administration and was facing a financial cliff, with spending outpacing the program’s budget. “We needed somebody who was wicked smart and somebody who would not be afraid to act, who wouldn’t be afraid to make hard decisions and could do it quickly, because we were heading towards the iceberg and we didn’t have time to think about turning the wheel,” says Sandy Thurman, the “AIDS czar” under President Bill Clinton, who threw her valuable endorsement to Birx when candidates for the position were being considered, then joined her as a chief strategic adviser.

Soon after this, Dr. Birx was working with the Clinton Foundation in activities related to the HIV pandemic around the world:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/exclusive-dr-birxs-connections-with-the-clinton-foundation-and-obama-unfortunately-indicate-conflicted-loyalties/

About Paige Reffe

https://fact-files.com/paige-reffe-wiki/

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Bombshell: Is Dr. Birx A Deep State Operative? The Shocking Connection That Will Make You Second Guess Her Loyalty

(Right Country) – Day after day from the White House press room, Dr. Deborah Birx has flanked the president and calmed the nation with her medical expertise and matronly air.

She appears to be every bit the president’s ally as the coronavirus task force tackles the deadly coronavirus head-on.
How loyal is she to President Donald Trump, however?

In an explosive report from The Gateway Pundit, her past may give us a clue.

https://www.rightcountry.com/bombshell-is-dr-birx-a-deep-state-operative-the-shocking-connection-that-will-make-you-second-guess-her-loyalty/

Seriously?  They don't think that the Trump administration knew who she was and who her husband was?  Some Bombshell that we need to let the President know about?
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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And at CDC we have Nancy Messonnier who just happens to be the sister of Rod Rosenstein.

https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html

The swamp is very deep and wide!
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And at CDC we have Nancy Messonnier who just happens to be the sister of Rod Rosenstein.

https://www.cdc.gov/about/leadership/leaders/ncird.html

The swamp is very deep and wide!

That's one issue, the other is the fact that it was under Fauci's leadership that the 'research' over in China was restarted at the beginning of Trump's administration; several years after Obama shut it down for fear of a pandemic. 
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Is this thread about the the title's topic? Or is this a Fauci-Is-the-Bogeyman and Birx-Is-the-Bogeywoman thread? They have not worked together in thirty years. And having long careers at the NIH (Fauci) and at Walter Reed and the CDC (Birx) makes them "Deep-Staters"? Experience and expertise is evil? TBR does not stock enough *****rollingeyes***** s.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Is this thread about the the title's topic? Or is this a Fauci-Is-the-Bogeyman and Birx-Is-the-Bogeywoman thread? They have not worked together in thirty years. And having long careers at the NIH (Fauci) and at Walter Reed and the CDC (Birx) makes them "Deep-Staters"? Experience and expertise is evil? TBR does not stock enough *****rollingeyes***** s.

Go ahead and roll your eyes but Birx is a globalist.  I have read several articles saying Fauci and Birx are there to destroy Trump.  Trump would have to be a complete idiot not to know who is on his response team.  These articles would have it that way that he is innocent and unknowing of the agenda of Birx, Fauci and Bill Gates.

The Bill Gates globalist vaccine depopulation agenda… as revealed by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Apr 13, 2020 | Dr. C and Miss Amy's Advice | 0 comments

The engineering and release of the coronavirus bioweapon was designed to accomplish two things: 1) Crash the global economy and achieve widespread starvation and depopulation, and 2) Corral the masses into vaccine mandates to achieve what the establishment literally calls “herd immunity” … because you and I are nothing but cattle to them.

The Wuhan coronavirus, which we now know was engineered by the very same Wuhan laboratory that was receiving millions of dollars in NIH funding under the Obama administration, is the ultimate dream of depopulation globalists like Bill Gates, as well as his sock puppets Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx who have staged a Big Pharma coup at the White House.

This is why it’s now crucial for humanity to take a stand against the Big Pharma criminal cartel and reject mandatory vaccines. It’s time to arrest and prosecute all those engaged in the “death science” industry that’s the real agenda behind the vaccine industry front.

The Truth About Vaccines is now a must-see docu-series that reveals stunning truths about vaccines and the globalist agenda that many people are only now beginning to truly understand.

https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2020/04/13/the-bill-gates-globalist-vaccine-depopulation-agenda-as-revealed-by-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

Pence’s Hand-Picked Globalists Destroyed Our Economy
April 21, 2020/in Economy, Healthcare, Must Read, Policy, Politics, Social Issues, Waste, Fraud and Abuse /by Kelleigh Nelson

https://drrichswier.com/2020/04/21/pences-hand-picked-globalists-destroyed-our-economy/

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https://theduran.com/the-dark-truth-about-fauci-and-birx-bill-gates-and-globalist-elites/

Outrageous! Dr. Birx Went All-In on Bill Gates-Funded Coronavirus Model – Sits on Gates-Funded Foundation Board
By Cristina Laila
Published April 3, 2020 at 2:13pm
583 Comments

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/outrageous-dr-birx-went-bill-gates-funded-coronavirus-model-sits-gates-funded-foundation-board/

You can trust Dr. Birx but I don't.

AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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I still busy trying to figure out whether I'm a neocon, so I'm not going to try to find out whether "Globalist" has meaning beyond, "I disagree with him/her". But thanks for clarifying that the purpose of the thread is bogeymanizing Fauci and bogeywomanizing Birx.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Go ahead and roll your eyes but Birx is a globalist.  I have read several articles saying Fauci and Birx are there to destroy Trump.  Trump would have to be a complete idiot not to know who is on his response team.  These articles would have it that way that he is innocent and unknowing of the agenda of Birx, Fauci and Bill Gates.

The Bill Gates globalist vaccine depopulation agenda… as revealed by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Apr 13, 2020 | Dr. C and Miss Amy's Advice | 0 comments

The engineering and release of the coronavirus bioweapon was designed to accomplish two things: 1) Crash the global economy and achieve widespread starvation and depopulation, and 2) Corral the masses into vaccine mandates to achieve what the establishment literally calls “herd immunity” … because you and I are nothing but cattle to them.

The Wuhan coronavirus, which we now know was engineered by the very same Wuhan laboratory that was receiving millions of dollars in NIH funding under the Obama administration, is the ultimate dream of depopulation globalists like Bill Gates, as well as his sock puppets Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx who have staged a Big Pharma coup at the White House.

This is why it’s now crucial for humanity to take a stand against the Big Pharma criminal cartel and reject mandatory vaccines. It’s time to arrest and prosecute all those engaged in the “death science” industry that’s the real agenda behind the vaccine industry front.

The Truth About Vaccines is now a must-see docu-series that reveals stunning truths about vaccines and the globalist agenda that many people are only now beginning to truly understand.

https://drleonardcoldwell.com/2020/04/13/the-bill-gates-globalist-vaccine-depopulation-agenda-as-revealed-by-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

Pence’s Hand-Picked Globalists Destroyed Our Economy
April 21, 2020/in Economy, Healthcare, Must Read, Policy, Politics, Social Issues, Waste, Fraud and Abuse /by Kelleigh Nelson

https://drrichswier.com/2020/04/21/pences-hand-picked-globalists-destroyed-our-economy/

Links, Latest
The Dark Truth About Fauci and Birx, Bill Gates And Globalist Elites

https://theduran.com/the-dark-truth-about-fauci-and-birx-bill-gates-and-globalist-elites/

Outrageous! Dr. Birx Went All-In on Bill Gates-Funded Coronavirus Model – Sits on Gates-Funded Foundation Board
By Cristina Laila
Published April 3, 2020 at 2:13pm
583 Comments

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/outrageous-dr-birx-went-bill-gates-funded-coronavirus-model-sits-gates-funded-foundation-board/

You can trust Dr. Birx but I don't.

Lot's of 'theories' out there and I have my own.  Definitely don't trust Fauci nor Birx ... yes, I find it troubling that Trump selected them (at least it seems that he did) to be on his team of experts to fight this pandemic.  He seems to select people who are well recognized with a lot of experience but fails to dig further than that -- Fauci may be an expert but you can't convince me he's not somewhat responsible. 
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Lot's of 'theories' out there and I have my own.  Definitely don't trust Fauci nor Birx ... yes, I find it troubling that Trump selected them (at least it seems that he did) to be on his team of experts to fight this pandemic.  He seems to select people who are well recognized with a lot of experience but fails to dig further than that -- Fauci may be an expert but you can't convince me he's not somewhat responsible.

This Dr. is going to tell you the truth.

https://thephaser.com/2020/04/dr-shiva-exposes-birx-clintons-bill-gates-the-w-h-o/
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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I said for a long time the medical folks at CDC, NIH, etc are ALL ANTI TRUMPERS.  ALL!!!

Trump was foolish to allow Fauci and Birx center stage.  Now the media control the stage, and Trump after being misled by these miscreants is solidly backed in the corner.  The notion of shutting the country down was all intended to damage the Trump presidency and destroy his chances in November.

The desire to remove Trump from office is stronger than the will to defeat the Axis during WWII.  Half the country want him on a meat hook, and many follow these corrupt news media pukes who long ago forgot the tenets of journalism.

A vaccine is 1-2 years away at best, and longer most likely.  And when it comes out, I would not trust it.  Anything whipped up quickly cannot be trusted to be safe.  Corners will be cut.  Tests will be faked, etc.  There is not a single AMA doctor I trust in the USA.  Their oath is mired in the philosophy of 'line thy pockets with gold' before any thought of the patient's well being comes to mind.  And the focus is never complete cure but to put the patient on maintenance drugs for life. 

And on the subject of globalism, until we make it an act of treason to push globalism, our nation's future is at risk.

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I said for a long time the medical folks at CDC, NIH, etc are ALL ANTI TRUMPERS.  ALL!!!

Trump was foolish to allow Fauci and Birx center stage.  Now the media control the stage, and Trump after being misled by these miscreants is solidly backed in the corner.  The notion of shutting the country down was all intended to damage the Trump presidency and destroy his chances in November.

The desire to remove Trump from office is stronger than the will to defeat the Axis during WWII.  Half the country want him on a meat hook, and many follow these corrupt news media pukes who long ago forgot the tenets of journalism.

A vaccine is 1-2 years away at best, and longer most likely.  And when it comes out, I would not trust it.  Anything whipped up quickly cannot be trusted to be safe.  Corners will be cut.  Tests will be faked, etc.  There is not a single AMA doctor I trust in the USA.  Their oath is mired in the philosophy of 'line thy pockets with gold' before any thought of the patient's well being comes to mind.  And the focus is never complete cure but to put the patient on maintenance drugs for life. 

And on the subject of globalism, until we make it an act of treason to push globalism, our nation's future is at risk.

I have seen many media responses that are basically the same as you just posted.  They agree that Fauci and Birx are globalist socialists connected to the Clintons and Bill Gates.  Saying that its all to bring down Trump.

If it is then Donald Trump has to be the dumbest, most ignorant President ever.  His problem it appears has always been people that he hires or appoints that become a problem for him.  What every single one of these reports is saying, is that Donald Trump did not vet the people he appointed to head the most important team in modern history.  The information is readily available.  Simple searches on the internet would provide the information that would have said these people have an agenda to mislead the population of the United States of America.

All we can ask now is did Trump know, or is he stupid?

I think Trump should return to entertainment.  It wouldn't put us all in debt or out of business.


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Funny but the WWE sells out the same as Trump rallies.  I now know where his crowds come from.  Perhaps he should just put a ring in the middle.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Everywhere I look in this story, I see another flavor of Chinese influence. It's a flipping buffet.

WHO, WIV, CDC, NIAID, Gates, Vax, anti-HCQ and other treatments, anti-UV, anti H2O2, Google/YouTube, bookFace, PPE, bad tests, etc.  Agencies and media funding or influenced by...

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Latest:

'Vaccine or no vaccine, we’re back’: Trump unveils ‘warp speed’ coronavirus vaccine effort

Chris Sommerfeldt 1 day ago

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/coronavirus/vaccine-or-no-vaccine-we-e2-80-99re-back-e2-80-99-trump-unveils-e2-80-98warp-speed-e2-80-99-coronavirus-vaccine-effort/ar-BB14a3ts

Masked Fauki and Birx standing by as unmasked Trump tells us we will have a vaccination that we won't need.  ****sheep****
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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I have seen many media responses that are basically the same as you just posted.  They agree that Fauci and Birx are globalist socialists connected to the Clintons and Bill Gates.  Saying that its all to bring down Trump.

If it is then Donald Trump has to be the dumbest, most ignorant President ever.  His problem it appears has always been people that he hires or appoints that become a problem for him.  What every single one of these reports is saying, is that Donald Trump did not vet the people he appointed to head the most important team in modern history.  The information is readily available.  Simple searches on the internet would provide the information that would have said these people have an agenda to mislead the population of the United States of America.

All we can ask now is did Trump know, or is he stupid?

I think Trump should return to entertainment.  It wouldn't put us all in debt or out of business.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE

Bad deals...…..U... MAGA!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVeVcVBW_CE

Funny but the WWE sells out the same as Trump rallies.  I now know where his crowds come from.  Perhaps he should just put a ring in the middle.

The only two choices are that either Trump is a globalist conspirator or a witless dupe.

He can’t be a hero here unless you twist your brain like a pretzel.

Either way, he’s not the leader we need in a crisis.

Period.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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The only two choices are that either Trump is a globalist conspirator or a witless dupe.

He can’t be a hero here unless you twist your brain like a pretzel.

Either way, he’s not the leader we need in a crisis.

Period.

wholeheartedly agree.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Is this thread about the the title's topic? Or is this a Fauci-Is-the-Bogeyman and Birx-Is-the-Bogeywoman thread? They have not worked together in thirty years. And having long careers at the NIH (Fauci) and at Walter Reed and the CDC (Birx) makes them "Deep-Staters"? Experience and expertise is evil? TBR does not stock enough *****rollingeyes***** s.

There's a strangeness that's taken over this place.  There is an element of "if they're infectious disease specialists" or "epidemiologists" they're part of the deep state and trying to take over the world.

Sometimes I feel like I'm watching an episode of Pinky and the Brain...... 

I hope it doesn't hang around too long.  I really enjoy rational discussion...........
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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I still busy trying to figure out whether I'm a neocon, so I'm not going to try to find out whether "Globalist" has meaning beyond, "I disagree with him/her". But thanks for clarifying that the purpose of the thread is bogeymanizing Fauci and bogeywomanizing Birx.

Tracking people has become the bogeyman as far as I am concerned.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Tracking people has become the bogeyman as far as I am concerned.

YEP. Goes to motive.

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YEP. Goes to motive.

News today has it that Inslee has given up on tracking people who go to restaurants.  People were not going to do that.  It is time to get rid of the Fauci and Brix show too.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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There's a strangeness that's taken over this place.  There is an element of "if they're infectious disease specialists" or "epidemiologists" they're part of the deep state and trying to take over the world.

Sometimes I feel like I'm watching an episode of Pinky and the Brain...... 

I hope it doesn't hang around too long.  I really enjoy rational discussion...........
But that's like saying the people who put together the papers that support the IPCC global warming Climate Change report are all "Climate Specialists" who have been long in entrenched positions in academia, further controlled by inbred referencing and control over which 'peer reviewed' material gets published. Which makes them "experts", to the exclusion of all others who have spent similar amounts of time gathering and interpreting data without the flawed computer models.

After all, mere antibodies won't work, you need the antibodies made from their vaccine (by your body, the same as the other antibodies were.)

Maybe they have electrolytes or sumpin'. (Idiocracy reference)
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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But that's like saying the people who put together the papers that support the IPCC global warming Climate Change report are all "Climate Specialists" who have been long in entrenched positions in academia, further controlled by inbred referencing and control over which 'peer reviewed' material gets published. Which makes them "experts", to the exclusion of all others who have spent similar amounts of time gathering and interpreting data without the flawed computer models.

After all, mere antibodies won't work, you need the antibodies made from their vaccine (by your body, the same as the other antibodies were.)

Maybe they have electrolytes or sumpin'. (Idiocracy reference)

Not the same if you know the people as friends and not political operatives getting money for spewing the party line, who are educated specialists.....caring, intelligent, diligent, and wise.....

I have made a practice of believing people I know and trust, and not believing people who read things on the internet and fashion themselves as experts.

And I especially don't believe people who are normally rational, but have gone off the deep end of irrationality and conspiracy nonsense who post on this very forum.

IOW, I trust people who actually know what they're talking about, and don't fall for any stuff just because I read it on a FB meme..........which is why I'm not either gullible or emotionally unhinged about what's going on now, and am not now, nor ever have been susceptible to groupthink on ANY subject.

Reality is the name of the game, and that's where I choose to dwell.....

Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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The only two choices are that either Trump is a globalist conspirator or a witless dupe.

He can’t be a hero here unless you twist your brain like a pretzel.

Either way, he’s not the leader we need in a crisis.

Period.

Why don't you stop lashing out with  :bs:   @musiclady   You've been doing it all day and you're too myopic to know you're embarrassing yourself.

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No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
Not the same if you know the people as friends and not political operatives getting money for spewing the party line, who are educated specialists.....caring, intelligent, diligent, and wise.....

I have made a practice of believing people I know and trust, and not believing people who read things on the internet and fashion themselves as experts.

And I especially don't believe people who are normally rational, but have gone off the deep end of irrationality and conspiracy nonsense who post on this very forum.

IOW, I trust people who actually know what they're talking about, and don't fall for any stuff just because I read it on a FB meme..........which is why I'm not either gullible or emotionally unhinged about what's going on now, and am not now, nor ever have been susceptible to groupthink on ANY subject.

Reality is the name of the game, and that's where I choose to dwell.....
Have fun in your reality.
Reality is the only thing really against the HCQ/Z-Pack/Zinc Sulfate regimen is the "analysis" of the disaster perpetrated at a VA hospital by not giving the Zinc supplement. The "anecdotal" accounts of doctors who had good results are being removed from places like YouTube, daily.

We have seen this sort of "evidence" control before, with the AGW/Climate Change crowd whose professorships and grants were at stake, too.

Reality is there are no FDA approved studies of anything for this disease. There hasn't been time. GO ahead look all this up, if you can find the stuff the WHO had Google (Youtube) scrub. (If there's nothing to it, why scrub it? There are billions of crackpot ideas on You Tube.)

Why the claim that antibodies aren't enough and having had COVID-19 and recovered isn't sufficient, when you and I know the purpose of a vaccine is to get the body to produce antibodies? Is Brand X better than Brand Y?
Every claim I have made has been sourced to journals at the NIH: just like this one

Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”?
Michael R. Hamblin
Wellman Center for Photomedicine,
Massachusetts General Hospital, Boston, MA 02114, USA
Hamblin@helix.mgh.harvard.edu
Adv Exp Med Biol. 2017 ; 996: 295–309. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-56017-5_25
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6122858/pdf/nihms-986489.pdf
Title, author, journal cite, link. Don't take my word for any of it, but at least look at the peer reviewed sources.

Now, if you know Fauci and Birx, well believe who you want to. I know who I don't. As long as this continues, they have power, and power is addictive.
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How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis