Justin Amash Floats Potential Run for President Against Trump

[Chosen Daughter]

Much truth in what you say.

Well I am truly impressed too.  At least he said something.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I hear you. I wasn't planning on voting for Biden or Trump either.  But I would vote for a Constitutionalist candidate.   Enough is enough.

[Sighlass]

Biography

https://amash.house.gov/about/biography

Not a bad voting record according to Conservative Scoreboard... 88% which is probable better than 95% of the rest of the congresscritters.

https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/justin-amash/

Not like I am gonna vote for Trump or Biden anyhoo and not like most the candidates I vote for win anyways... What I seem to remember is Amash sorta went out of his way to thumb a finger at Trump... not something I like to see, disagree with him when wrong, but don't go out of your way to stick it to him. That type of behavior tends to mean you not well-reasoned (but compared to what we have running, that ain't saying much).

Probable I will just keep writing in Roy Moore and call this next election a bust.... what the heck.

[Gefn]

The historic equivalent of TDS, were John Anderson voters versus Reagan in 1980. He later became a Ralp Nader supporter.

Third party kooks come along and usually wind up kooks like Anderson, Nader, etc.

Libertarian Harry Browne blamed America for 9/11/2001.

Once a kook, always a kook.

Readily found on political forums; big fish in small ponds.

John Anderson actually won my township. Back in my Senior year in HS, a lot of my HS teachers had Anderson buttons and what not in the classrooms.

Nice to see there is a really good third choice but again, third choices don’t do well. Anyone recall Perot?

[jmyrlefuller]

He'll always stand a chance in Utah.

[truth_seeker]

Anyone recall Perot?

I remember, but after that I realized he likely enabled Clinton to win.

A few years hence, I realized that Buchanan came close to doing it over again, to GW Bush.

These so called conservatives, are disproportionately full of people in search of an online reputation.

Big shot, in small pond.

I favor winning, as the pathway to conservative outcome in the real world, not the make bellieve internet world.a

[Applewood]

Much can be learned from a principled man like Ted Cruz. For example, his integrity...and wisdom...in doing what's best for conservatism and his party in supporting our President.

No.  Cruz ultimately boarded the Trump Train because he thought he needed Trump to win re-election to the senate.  Had nothing to do with conservatism or the good of the party.

[Mesaclone]

No.  Cruz ultimately boarded the Trump Train because he thought he needed Trump to win re-election to the senate.  Had nothing to do with conservatism or the good of the party.

I didn’t realize Cruz had confided in you what his true motivations were. Good to know.

[Applewood]

I didn’t realize Cruz had confided in you what his true motivations were. Good to know.

Did he confide in you?

I used to think Ted was different and in some respects he still is.  But in the end he is just like every other politician -- looking out for Number One -- himself.    Politicians only care about America and Americans when it's election time. 

[Idiot]

If President Trump wasn't already running on the Republican ticket it sounds like a great team.  No disrespect intended @Chosen Daughter but I'm gonna side with @Mesaclone on this.  Whoever wins in November, let them win without the loser claiming the election was stolen, and the winner isn't legitimate.  I know it will probably happen anyway. 

I think Amash will actually hurt Biden.  People like myself who will not vote for President Trump are faced with a choice of not voting, or Biden.  Some of us will choose Biden, but not if there is an easy out with Amash.  I don't think any disaffected Bernie bros will choose Amash but some disaffected moderate rats might.  At best it becomes a wash that muddies up the results.

JMO

Shocked! Shocked I tell you! 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Shocked! Shocked I tell you! 

Just between you and me, I didn't vote for him last time either.

[truth_seeker]

No.  Cruz ultimately boarded the Trump Train because he thought he needed Trump to win re-election to the senate.  Had nothing to do with conservatism or the good of the party.

How do you know what he thought?

Are you a mindreader?

[Applewood]

How do you know what he thought?

Are you a mindreader?

Read my response to Mescalone. 

[Mesaclone]

Did he confide in you?

I used to think Ted was different and in some respects he still is.  But in the end he is just like every other politician -- looking out for Number One -- himself.    Politicians only care about America and Americans when it's election time.

Only you have made such a ludicrous claim.

[dfwgator]

I think Amash will actually hurt Biden.

JMO

I agree, he gives the Never Trumpers an out,  because the vast majority would have voted for Biden.  Now they have an option to 'clear their conscience.'

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I agree, he gives the Never Trumpers an out,  because the vast majority would have voted for Biden.  Now they have an option to 'clear their conscience.'

Exactly, although I don't know that "the vast majority" part is accurate.  I couldn't bring myself to vote in 2016.  I'm still undecided about voting in 2020.

[Applewood]

Only you have made such a ludicrous claim.

Really?  Did you poll everyone?  I'll bet if you asked around, you will find some people who thinks along those lines.

Unlike you, I don't believe the official story on most things.  This is especially true of the motivations behind a politician's actions. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Really?  Did you poll everyone?  I'll bet if you asked around, you will find some people who thinks along those lines.

@Applewood I didn't think I'd need to back you up but I will.  I'd quit my job before working with someone who personally insulted my wife and father.  Hopefully we aren't the only two here with a low opinion of politicians.

[Mesaclone]

Really?  Did you poll everyone?  I'll bet if you asked around, you will find some people who thinks along those lines.

Unlike you, I don't believe the official story on most things.  This is especially true of the motivations behind a politician's actions.

Poll everyone...that makes no sense. I don't need to poll everyone to see what they have written...you WROTE that you knew what the man was thinking. Nobody else that I've read has made such a ridiculous claim. You did.

So do tell...how it is you can read Ted Cruz's mind...or did he sit down and discuss his emotions and motivations with you in person?

The motivations of politicians are also a separate issue. The ISSUE I brought up is your claim to know the thoughts of Ted Cruz...so pray tell...how is that possible?

[Chosen Daughter]

No.  Cruz ultimately boarded the Trump Train because he thought he needed Trump to win re-election to the senate.  Had nothing to do with conservatism or the good of the party.

I think you are right.  He was close to losing his Senate Seat.  Nobody who Trump doesn't support wins in the new workers party.  And they can expect to take the full character assassination from Trump if he is supporting the other candidate.  The fact that he nearly lost to the Democrat is reflective of Trumps new party.  It leans left.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Nobody who Trump doesn't support wins in the new workers party.

Oh My Goodness!  "New workers party" is perfect.

[Chosen Daughter]

Oh My Goodness!  "New workers party" is perfect.

I didn't make it up.

Trump: GOP will become 'worker's party' under me

By NICK GASS 05/26/2016 07:44 AM EDT

“Love the question,” Trump said in response to a question from Bloomberg Businessweek's Joshua Green in a profile of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus published Thursday. The article bears the headline, "How to Get Trump Elected When He’s Wrecking Everything You Built."

“Five, 10 years from now — different party. You’re going to have a worker’s party," Trump said in the May 17 interview. "A party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years, that are angry."

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-gop-workers-party-223598

[Mesaclone]

I didn't make it up.

Trump: GOP will become 'worker's party' under me

By NICK GASS 05/26/2016 07:44 AM EDT

“Love the question,” Trump said in response to a question from Bloomberg Businessweek's Joshua Green in a profile of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus published Thursday. The article bears the headline, "How to Get Trump Elected When He’s Wrecking Everything You Built."

“Five, 10 years from now — different party. You’re going to have a worker’s party," Trump said in the May 17 interview. "A party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years, that are angry."

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-gop-workers-party-223598

God forbid we become the party favored by Blue Collar workers...which is precisely what Trump said and meant. These are the folks that just want the government off their backs and out of their pockets...which is why they voted Trump.

[Chosen Daughter]

God forbid we become the party favored by Blue Collar workers...which is precisely what Trump said and meant. These are the folks that just want the government off their backs and out of their pockets...which is why they voted Trump.

Workers' Party. Workers' Party is a name used by a number of political parties throughout the world. The name has been used by both organisations on the left and right of the political spectrum. It is currently used by followers of communism, Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, social democracy, socialism and Trotskyism. Jul 25 2019
Workers' Party - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers%27_Party

I just bet that many of the workers parties of the world were successful in promoting the idea that they were for the people too.

And take the 2 trillion spending bill Trump just signed.  Largest portion does not benefit  blue collar workers.

Tax provision in coronavirus stimulus will mostly benefit wealthy: Study
BENJAMIN SIEGEL
Good Morning AmericaApril 15, 2020, 1:20 AM PDT

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/gma/tax-provision-coronavirus-stimulus-mostly-benefit-wealthy-study-082040196--abc-news-topstories.html

I think most people have not been paying attention.  They only listen to what Trump says but have no real idea what is going on.

Amnesty

Thirty-four Republicans voted December 11 to give amnesty at least one million illegal immigrants and to subsidize farm companies with a wave of cheap visa-workers who will lower wages throughout the farm workforce, which includes at least one million American workers.
The Republicans are mostly from rural districts where the local media is skewed in favor of local farm employers and often ignores the economic interest of local American farmworkers.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/12/12/roll-call-of-the-34-pro-amnesty-pro-outsourcing-gop-legislators/

Latest Trump H-2B Increase Again Betrays American Workers

President Trump continues to increase the number of H-2B guestworkers every time he has the opportunity. This is entirely his own administration's fault. He could, at any time, direct Secretary Nielsen to not increase the cap. This would help American workers and fulfill his promise to voters that he outlined in his original "Buy American and Hire American" executive order. His supporters did not vote for more guestworkers — they voted to return Americans to the workforce.

https://cis.org/Huennekens/Latest-Trump-H2B-Increase-Again-Betrays-American-Workers

I have been watching.  Like any good dictator he is purging everyone who isn't absolutely loyal.  He is filling every spot with people from his campaign or helped him with impeachment.  Friends, whether they are qualified for the positions or not.  He demands complete loyalty.  He has trashed every single media source including FOX, and now only promote one.  He is for himself, that is who he is for.

White House snubs Azar, installs Trump loyalist Michael Caputo as HHS spokesperson

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-snubs-azar-installs-trump-loyalist-michael-caputo-as-hhs-spokesperson/ar-BB12GMja?ocid=spartanntp

[Applewood]

Poll everyone...that makes no sense. I don't need to poll everyone to see what they have written...you WROTE that you knew what the man was thinking. Nobody else that I've read has made such a ridiculous claim. You did.

So do tell...how it is you can read Ted Cruz's mind...or did he sit down and discuss his emotions and motivations with you in person?

The motivations of politicians are also a separate issue. The ISSUE I brought up is your claim to know the thoughts of Ted Cruz...so pray tell...how is that possible?

You said only I would offer such a "ludicrous" explanation for Cruz's decision to board the Trump Train.  I then asked how you knew I was the only one.  That is what I meant by polling everybody -- to see if I'm the only one who believed it.  As you can see if you read further in this thread, there are a few here who thought the same.

You don't know Ted's motivation either.  Maybe you got that from something he said ar the time.  I don't know.  I just said I don't buy whatever the official explanation was for his reversal.  Remember -- originally, he said to "vote your conscience" and many Trump supporters were livid that he didn't come out and say vote for Trump.    Then he later said he was on board with Trump.  I don't believe it was a coincidence that he changed his mind about the time he was running for re-election to the senate.    The "good of the party" or the "good of the country" took a back seat to Cruz's political ambitions. 

You can't prove your statement that Cruz came on board for the good of the country and the party.  Admittedly, I can't prove my assertion there were personal political motives for his decision.  But I have seen how politicians work.  Ted is a politician.  Trump is a politician.  Do you really believe Trump wants to make America great again?  Maybe he does to some degree, but the primary motivation for everything he does is to benefit himself.  That sort of thing has been going on as long as politics has existed.  Neither Cruz nor Trump is any different from any other politician.