Election 2020: Twitter and Social Media

[catfish1957]

You do not make an effective moral argument by claiming that two wrongs make a right.   The Dems' actions during the Kavanaugh hearings were shameful.   Trump's actions in encouraging a mob to descend on the Capitol leaving wreckage and five deaths in its wake amount to sedition.

The man must resign or be removed.   My Senator,  Pat Toomey,  is correct that Trump committed impeachable offenses.   It is insane for MAGA supporters to forfeit their own moral capital by continuing to defend the indefensible.

I am so sick and tired of your shit, accusing Trump of incitement of rioting.  From the entire speech (which I include the transcript), is the only mention of tone and tenor of the protesters and the Capitol....

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard. Today, we will see whether Republicans stand strong for integrity of our elections, but whether or not they stand strong for our country, our country. Our country has been under siege for a long time, far longer than this four year period. We've set it on a much straighter course, a much...and I thought, you know, four more years."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trumps-jan-6-full-speech-we-will-never-concede-when-theft-is-involved

Read the damn thing, and explain to TBR exactly where in this speech Trump met that criteria?  Otherwise shut the hell up.

[Hoodat]

What lie?  Under the law,   the consequences of reckless behavior can be visited when violence is reasonably foreseeable.

Again:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

-President Trump-

Did the President tell people to march on the Capitol?  No.  Did he tell them to protest peacefully?  Yes.  Did he incite violence?  No.  Was there any reason to believe that violence would be incurred?  Obviously, the Capitol Police didn't because they held the doors wide open.

Trump did not encourage a mob to descend on the Capitol leaving wreckage and five deaths in its wake, nor did he commit sedition.  Your claim is patently false.  And the fact that you still make that claim with full knowledge of Trump's call for peaceful assembly makes you a liar.  You uttered a statement you knew to be false in order to deceive others.

But even if Trump did not intend to incite his crowd to violence  .  .  .

.  .  .  even though you already made the claim that he did.

.  .  .  he remains morally responsible for the calamity.    He still has not renounced the violence committed in his name.

The protest wasn't committed in his name.  It was committed because our Republic is being subverted.  But then you knew that already.

Did you even listen to his speech?  Or are you simply making it up as you go, inventing your own set of facts to justify your emotions.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

The Capitol of the United States was physically breached with Congress in session.  I could care less that less physical damage was done to the Capitol building than to a storefront looted and burned in a BLM riot.   The latter is criminal behavior,  the former violent sedition urged on by the President. It is completely unacceptable.

Trump's blunder is existential.   He should never be permitted to hold federal office again.  The responsibility of Trump supporters now should be to reject the man and work to save their movement's agenda.  If the two cannot be effectively separated,  then MAGA is effectively dead.

Stop the lying.

You are no better than the MSM.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Not in the least.

I heard his speech. If he incited violence then every politician who has ever given a campaign speech is guilty as well.

And (rightly) claiming the election was stolen doesn't qualify, either.

If you think otherwise then you'll have to provide quotes.

Correct.

I did not hear Jazzy condemn Schumer when he threatened Supreme Court Justices.

[Right_in_Virginia]

My Senator,  Pat Toomey,  is correct

Nothing says "I'm drowning in Trump hate" better than invoking the name "Pat Toomey" as a ally. @Jazzhead     

The rest of your post was pure bullshit and not worth a repeat or a response. 

[Jazzhead]

Correct.

I did not hear Jazzy condemn Schumer when he threatened Supreme Court Justices.

Why don't you go back then and see what I did say?

[catfish1957]

Nothing says "I'm drowning in Trump hate" better than invoking the name "Pat Toomey" as a ally. @Jazzhead     

The rest of your post was pure bullshit and not worth a repeat or a response.

Jazzy has gone off the rails, and needs to take a deep breath before reaching pariah status

[Cyber Liberty]

Jazzy has gone off the rails, and needs to take a deep breath before reaching pariah status

Being looked at.  This is a new level.

[Jazzhead]

Stop the lying.

You are no better than the MSM.

A difference of opinion is not a lie.   That crowd was ginned up to march on the Capitol and fight.   Trump needs to be responsible for the foreseeable consequences of his irresponsible rhetoric.   Morally if not legally.  But I'm okay with legally.

[dfwgator]

A difference of opinion is not a lie.   That crowd was ginned up to march on the Capitol and fight.   Trump needs to be responsible for the foreseeable consequences of his irresponsible rhetoric.   Morally if not legally.  But I'm okay with legally.

Can we save the post-mortems on Trump until Biden is in the White House?    Right now we must stand together and oppose this coup that is happening before our eyes.  You really don't want them to go after Trump, because he's just a proxy for the rest of us, whether you like it or not.

[Cyber Liberty]

Can we save the post-mortems on Trump until Biden is in the White House?    Right now we must stand together and oppose this coup that is happening before our eyes.  You really don't want them to go after Trump, because he's just a proxy for the rest of us, whether you like it or not.

He's not one of "us."

[catfish1957]

He's not one of "us."

After the past few weeks, I painfully have to agree.

[catfish1957]

Can we save the post-mortems on Trump until Biden is in the White House?    Right now we must stand together and oppose this coup that is happening before our eyes.  You really don't want them to go after Trump, because he's just a proxy for the rest of us, whether you like it or not.

Jazzy would rather play dogpile with his other buddies.

[Jazzhead]

Nothing says "I'm drowning in Trump hate" better than invoking the name "Pat Toomey" as a ally. @Jazzhead     

The rest of your post was pure bullshit and not worth a repeat or a response.

Toomey has for years been a true conservative and a principled public servant.   Of course I value his opinion and perspective.   I consider his refusal to be Trump's handmaiden a strength.

[dfwgator]

Toomey has for years been a true conservative and a principled public servant.   Of course I value his opinion and perspective.   I consider his refusal to be Trump's handmaiden a strength.

Toomey just hopes the crocodile will eat him last.

[mountaineer]

Toomey just hopes the crocodile will eat him last.

[Victoria33]

The Capitol of the United States was physically breached with Congress in session.  I could care less that less physical damage was done to the Capitol building than to a storefront looted and burned in a BLM riot.   The latter is criminal behavior,  the former violent sedition urged on by the President.  It is completely unacceptable.  Trump's blunder is existential.   He should never be permitted to hold federal office again.  The responsibility of Trump supporters now should be to reject the man and work to save their movement's agenda.  If the two cannot be effectively separated,  then MAGA is effectively dead.

@Jazzhead

Yes, Jazz, Trump wanted the whole government to be his.  He was in the White House cheering the terrorists on, not understanding why those around him were not cheering, too.  I hope the impeachment goes to the senate and Trump is convicted so he cannot hold public office again.  That also gives Republicans back their party.

[Cyber Liberty]

Toomey just hopes the crocodile will eat him last.

That worked well for Ol' Arlen...lol.  What is it with PA, idiots electing retards?  One would almost think there isn't a sane person in that benighted state.

[Right_in_Virginia]

A difference of opinion is not a lie.   

You don't post differences of opinion @Jazzhead  You post your own fabricated facts, and fabricated facts are lies.  Period.

[catfish1957]

@Jazzhead

Yes, Jazz, Trump wanted the whole government to be his.  He was in the White House cheering the terrorists on, not understanding why those around him were not cheering, too.  I hope the impeachment goes to the senate and Trump is convicted so he cannot hold public office again.  That also gives Republicans back their party.

Either you left the sarcasm tag off, or I am very disappointed in your POV.  Is someone posting as you?  There are  a lot of people who respect you here.

[Jazzhead]

You don't post differences of opinion @Jazzhead  You post your own fabricated facts, and fabricated facts are lies.  Period.

Then kindly provide examples.  I do not "fabricate facts (although I did mistakenly label Lindsay Graham as a Senator from North Carolina, for which I apologize. 

 Bu my expressed view that a mob attacked the Capitol because it believed it was following the leader who summoned them to Washington with the exhortation to "get wild" on January 6 s a statement of my opinion.  And you know that.

[catfish1957]

Then kindly provide examples.  I do not "fabricate facts (although I did mistakenly label Lindsay Graham as a Senator from North Carolina, for which I apologize. 

 Bu my expressed view that a mob attacked the Capitol because it believed it was following the leader who summoned them to Washington with the exhortation to "get wild" on January 6 s a statement of my opinion.  And you know that.

Then respond to my earlier post, and show us exactly on that transcript where he exactly incited the crowd.....

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

Yes, Jazz, Trump wanted the whole government to be his.  He was in the White House cheering the terrorists on, not understanding why those around him were not cheering, too.  I hope the impeachment goes to the senate and Trump is convicted so he cannot hold public office again.  That also gives Republicans back their party.

That is the bottom line for me.  A swift and sure repudiation of Trump gives Republicans their best chance of recovering from this calamity.   Same goes for patriotic Trump supporters too -  it is time to separate the man from the movement,  so the movement itself can survive and transcend its association with this madman.

@Victoria33 ,  it took guts to express that unpopular opinion here.    Thanks.

[libertybele]

@Jazzhead, I'm still waiting for your reply to an earlier post of mine; the one with the Hillary video attached, in case you missed it.  Thanks.

[Jazzhead]

Then respond to my earlier post, and show us exactly on that transcript where he exactly incited the crowd.....

What transcript?  You posted a transcript?