Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[txradioguy]

See these?



Guess what?  They aren't called "face masks."  They're called "spit masks."  Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses.  I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.

But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks.  A Talisman to ward off germs.  Howard Hughes would be in heaven.

The masks that help are N95 masks.  This is a N95 mask:

The N95 masks help healthcare workers dealing with a already infected people in a hospital environment...that is true.

They do nothing for the general public shopping at a Walmart.

“Seriously people — STOP BUYING MASKS!” the surgeon general, Jerome M. Adams, said in a tweet on Saturday morning. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if health care providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/health/coronavirus-n95-face-masks.html


ETA: I see people waring what you call "spit masks" incorrectly 95% of the time.  I shake my head when I see it stopping below an persons nose or someone who talking other call phone pulls it down completely off their face to talk on their cell phone or make an announcement on a PA system.

[Smokin Joe]

See these?



Guess what?  They aren't called "face masks."  They're called "spit masks."  Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses.  I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.

But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks.  A Talisman to ward off germs.  Howard Hughes would be in heaven.

The masks that help are N95 masks.  This is a N95 mask:

The dump valve on that n-95 mask indicates it is there to protect the wearer and filter air going in, not the air coming out. All that other junk is there to protect everyone else from the wearer, not the wearer from everyone else.

[bigheadfred]

New coronavirus may spread through poop

This is an actual article.  I wasn't going to link it because it the same old story.

ESAD

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html

[Cyber Liberty]

New coronavirus may spread through poop

This is an actual article.  I wasn't going to link it because it the same old story.

ESAD

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-through-feces.html

Sorry...I'm still laughing from when I heard it's in semen.

[Smokin Joe]

Sorry...I'm still laughing from when I heard it's in semen.

Well, we knew that. It wasn't all officers on the Roosevelt who got infected...

Oh....nevermind.

PS, Did anyone check the vitreous and aqueous humours too?

(Note: filoviruses have been known to 'hangout' in all three, and even feces, after patients were cured of Ebola.)

[Cyber Liberty]

ETA: I see people wearing what you call "spit masks" incorrectly 95% of the time.  I shake my head when I see it stopping below an persons nose or someone who talking other call phone pulls it down completely off their face to talk on their cell phone or make an announcement on a PA system.

LOL!  The gal in the picture isn't wearing it properly either!!  See that little metal band over the nose?  That's supposed to be pressed down to conform to the shape of the nose.  She didn't press it down.

[Hoodat]

05-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	6.386 ↑	2.244 ↓
United States	3.765 ↑	4.445 ↓
China	16.883 ↑	1.060 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 731,429
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 29.2 %  ↑
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 35.3 %  -

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[roamer_1]

Oh and the masks are worthless...

Well yeah, they pretty much are. Waterborne aerosols are just as likely to infect through the eyes. You'll probably not understand that exactly as much as a painter would... When spraying hardened paints, the aerosolized volatiles are basically the same thing. You can protect your lungs with a high-micron filter on top of a charcoal filter, to where you cannot smell the stuff anymore, but the cloud will sting your eyes like crazy. If you've walked through infected air, your eyes are directly exposed.

So hawking masks without hawking eye protection shows me they aren't serious.

just like the quarantine of healthy people.

And therein lies the PROOF.
Everywhere I have seen antibody testing in the wild, the resulting extrapolation is always 22-25%... And probably more by now. That means the 'quarantine' didn't work. At all. Heck, they've even admitted as much...

The herd is self-immunizing automatically. STILL they are pushing for lockdown and vax. Even though lockdown provably does nothing and vax is predictably ineffective against a quick-morphing virus.

Imaginary nonsense whose only end product is the imposition of control.

[roamer_1]

Guess what?  They aren't called "face masks."  They're called "spit masks."  Their purpose is to catch the saliva of the wearer, and do zero to protect the wearer from any kind of germs and viruses.  I used them for years in a Clean Room where people wear bunny suits.

But, they are now being marketed like they're protective face masks.  A Talisman to ward off germs.

That's right. Wholly ineffective. If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'. And as for protecting others, as I am sure you can attest, once they become moistened by breath, the exhaust tends to blow out the sides rather than passing through the fabric - Doing nothing.

The masks that help are N95 masks.  This is a N95 mask:

Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.

[Smokin Joe]

That's right. Wholly ineffective. If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'. And as for protecting others, as I am sure you can attest, once they become moistened by breath, the exhaust tends to blow out the sides rather than passing through the fabric - Doing nothing.

Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.

Yeah. If they were really serious they'd be recommending a fit tested P-100 single or dual cartridge full face respirator and not some half mask thingy where you have to bend the metal strip to approximate a seal.

[roamer_1]

Yeah. If they were really serious they'd be recommending a fit tested P-100 single or dual cartridge full face respirator and not some half mask thingy where you have to bend the metal strip to approximate a seal.

Right. Even with a respirator (I own several), One often has to grease the contact area to increase the seal capability - And again, a standard respirator does nothing to control exhaust... And if everyone is exhausting freely and eyes are not protected, AGAIN, doing nothing.

FULL FACE, as you said, is all that is approaching any sort of effectiveness.

[Gefn]

I ordered a cloth mask with charcoal filters you place inside over a month ago. It finally was shipped on Thursday. I should get it in about a week. I can’t wait. I’ve been going out about twice a month to go shopping, and once a week just to start the car and take her for about a mile drive just so the battery doesn’t die.

You can’t get the other kind of mask unless you are a first responder. I went to the grocery store yesterday and I saw that all the employees there were wearing these masks.

[jmyrlefuller]

If you can smell a fart through it - and I guarantee you can - It isn't doing anything against a virus, which is a much smaller 'particle'.

OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.

The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.

A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.

So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.

[sneakypete]

You have to wonder about all those people who stingily bought 2 tons of toilet paper and paper towels. Was just in a supermarket lately, plenty of TP and paper products. No shortage at all.

@240B

Still none to buy at my local chain grocery store. I asked the guys stocking shelves,and they told me that they normally get it and stock it on the shelves by 8 AM every morning the truck comes,and it's sold out by 9 AM.

People are STILL hoarding it.

Not that I am in much of a position to whine about it. I normally buy several months worth every time I run out,and stock up both my workshop and my house with both,and replace my used stock when I get down to the last package of either.

This is just because it's not expensive,doesn't spoil,and I can normally buy it in bulk and then not have to worry about running out for a while.

Still,I guess some people might call me a hoarder,too.

Getting down to maybe 3 or 4 rolls of paper towels now,and probably 6 rolls of TP,so the first time I see the shelves restocked,I will buy a pack or two of each to hold me out until "normal times" return.

[roamer_1]

OK, stop it. This is not even remotely true.

The smell of farts comes from sulfide molecules. The smallest of these, hydrogen sulfide, is two hydrogen atoms and a sulfur atom. No air filter can stop a molecule that small. Only an airtight barrier could stop a fart.

A virus molecule is several orders of magnitude larger than the sulfides and thiols that constitute the smelly part of a fart, especially a virus that has a lipid (complex carbon) outer layer like coronavirus does. Coronavirus molecules are, relatively speaking, HUGE.

So say what you will about whether or not these viruses can be stopped with a mask, in or out, but this argument that "it can't stop a fart" is so grossly unscientific that it must have come from some overseas Facebook troll farm.

No, it comes from long experience as a painter. If smells are getting through your mask (respirator), it is no longer functioning, or is not getting a seal... Good rule of thumb. And paper/cloth filters are laughable by comparison to a respirator.

[240B]

@240B

Still none to buy at my local chain grocery store. I asked the guys stocking shelves,and they told me that they normally get it and stock it on the shelves by 8 AM every morning the truck comes,and it's sold out by 9 AM.

People are STILL hoarding it.

Not that I am in much of a position to whine about it. I normally buy several months worth every time I run out,and stock up both my workshop and my house with both,and replace my used stock when I get down to the last package of either.

This is just because it's not expensive,doesn't spoil,and I can normally buy it in bulk and then not have to worry about running out for a while.

Still,I guess some people might call me a hoarder,too.

Getting down to maybe 3 or 4 rolls of paper towels now,and probably 6 rolls of TP,so the first time I see the shelves restocked,I will buy a pack or two of each to hold me out until "normal times" return.

@sneakypete

The difference must be that I am in city center and you are rural. Where I am, there is no shortage of anything. All the TP and paper towels you can eat. My life is the same as it ever was. Maybe you are in one of the States that loves the pandemic meme. They could be restricting truck traffic or deliveries somehow. The shortages could be intentional.

For us, these are already 'normal times'. Funny thing is all I have for a mask is a Jesse James type bandana which I wear like an outlaw. It's like Halloween.

[Hoodat]

Not really.Them N95s are pretty useless against paint volatiles (or farts). And the exhaust port allows unfiltered exhalation too.

The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you.  People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.

[musiclady]

The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you.  People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.

The point of wearing a mask is to be kind to others, and as you said, protect them from you.

It's that simple.  Love your neighbor as yourself.

[roamer_1]

The point of wearing a mask it protect the other person from catching it from you.  People seem to have lost track of that, especially with the vented N95 masks.

Right. Utterly ineffective.
And cloth/paper masks are no better. Once they are moist, the exhalation just blows back out the sides.

[Cyber Liberty]

The point of wearing a mask is to be kind to others, and as you said, protect them from you.

It's that simple.  Love your neighbor as yourself.

I'm fine with all that, as long as it doesn't become a signal of virtue.  "I'm better than you because I'm not 'selfish,' as you are."  Do we really want to reduce freedom and earning one's keep to "being selfish?"

[Cyber Liberty]

Right. Utterly ineffective.
And cloth/paper masks are no better. Once they are moist, the exhalation just blows back out the sides.

The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program.  "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker."  A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people." 

[roamer_1]

The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program.  "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker."  A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."

That's right.

[txradioguy]

@sneakypete

The difference must be that I am in city center and you are rural. Where I am, there is no shortage of anything. All the TP and paper towels you can eat. My life is the same as it ever was. Maybe you are in one of the States that loves the pandemic meme. They could be restricting truck traffic or deliveries somehow. The shortages could be intentional.

For us, these are already 'normal times'. Funny thing is all I have for a mask is a Jesse James type bandana which I wear like an outlaw. It's like Halloween.

IMHO city v. rural is kind of a moot point.  I'm in Colorado Springs (pop. 600k) and I've seen store shelves here completely bare of TP and sanitary wipes and hand sanitizer.  It's gotten a little better in the last three weeks or so...but the shelves are still sparsely stocked. 

And now even on base they are beginning to limit people to two items of meat per trip to the store.

It's freaking ridiculous.

[skeeter]

The wearing of masks doesn't have much to do with stopping the virus, it's become a way of figuring out who's with the program.  "He's wearing a mask, so he's a 'right' thinker."  A new way of dividing people into camps, the "mask wearers" and the "bad people."

Expect states to roll out a social credit system any day now, with extra credit given for good mask wearing. Another contribution to American society courtesy of the Chicoms.

[libertybele]

Well ... here's several articles in favor of masks....

If 80% of Americans Wore Masks, COVID-19 Infections Would Plummet, New Study Says

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/covid-19-cases-would-plummet-if-80-of-americans-wore-face-masks-study-says


https://theconversation.com/masks-help-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus-the-science-is-simple-and-im-one-of-100-experts-urging-governors-to-require-public-mask-wearing-138507