Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2

[Cyber Liberty]

Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county

 

[truth_seeker]

@Victoria33

  Wales IS part of the UK.

England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

"The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"

[Hoodat]

04-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGION	Recov:Death	Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)	3.912 ↑	3.326 ↓
United States	1.751 ↑	10.758 ↓
China	16.637 ↑	1.074 -

US 14-day Recovery Deficit - 225,117
Recovery Rate after 14 days - 21.1 %  ↓
Recovery Rate after 21 days - 62.6 %  ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Recoveries continuing to go unreported.  Over 75,000 Americans still alive after testing positive three weeks ago are still being counted as active cases.

But new deaths and cases continue to recede.  Things are looking up.

[DB]

And he has been right all along.

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

[Smokin Joe]

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.

[Cyber Liberty]

The disagreement comes about preventing the hospitals going into overload resulting in triage. Distancing should have been done to whatever level it took to keep the hospitals below the triage threshold. Being more restrictive only slows things down causing more economic damage. Speeding things up where it results in triage at the front door causes many more people to die unnecessarily from many different medical causes. It is also an awful position to put our healthcare people in.

The Hospitals have been using the time to stock up for a slog, so they say.  It's probably true, this has been a slow-motion train wreck.

[libertybele]

Apparently some localities have completely stopped reporting recoveries and active cases, because they can't verify whether they're recovered or not. This is insulting and misleading.

https://www.wkbw.com/news/coronavirus/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-in-erie-county

This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:

One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.

The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:

"We do not currently measure “recovery,” and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.

"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered” if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."

[Smokin Joe]

This seems to be true -- here is an excerpt from the FL Dept. of Health:

One item that has not been included in any of the state's reports: how many people in Florida have recovered from the coronavirus. That's because the state is not measuring that statistic.

The DOH has posted the following explanation for why it does not track recoveries on its website:

"We do not currently measure “recovery,” and don’t expect to have such a designation anytime in the near future. Recovery can mean a lot of things — some countries say you’re recovered 14 days from infection even if you are still sick, or even dead, based on a computer algorithm that calculates the amount of time passed since a case is first reported.

"The very definition of recovery is a contested issue — are you recovered once you’re no longer symptomatic, or contagious, once you get a negative test result, or no longer require hospitalization? Are you ever “recovered” if you suffer long-term effects from having the virus? Until some of these issues and definitions are worked out at the local, state and national level, we will not be providing a metric for recovery."

They must be the Department of Sick, because they don't know "health" when they see it, by their own admission.

[DB]

Aside from downstate NY, where else is triage going on? We have not even been close here.

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

[Hoodat]

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

But that would make too much sense.

[libertybele]

And that's the point. The restrictions are too tight if hospitals have lots of free rooms. During the leading edge of this there was little information to gauge what was necessary to prevent overload. As things have gone on there's lots of good feedback to apply to open things up in the areas that have plenty of capacity.

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

[Smokin Joe]

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

In NY they will have the COD COVID-19, anyway...

[catfish1957]

Ughhhhhh....

Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl.  Demand has dwindled significantly.

Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.

[Victoria33]

  Wales IS part of the UK. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom  "The United Kingdom consists of four constituent countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland"

I should have said "England" not the UK. Wales and England are separate countries.

[Gefn]

Report of some ER's that are experiencing much lower than normal patient visits because people are afraid to leave their homes and seek medical help.  In addition to being isolated, people who have other health issues aren't seeking treatment. 

I don't know about elsewhere, but ALL elected surgeries and treatments have been put on hold.  Most doctor appointments are by "Telehealth" only.  With telehealth a doctor cannot listen to the heart, check the lungs, take blood pressures, etc....all vital components of seeing the darn doctor.    So ... people are having to make a choice -- get an inadequate video chat with your doc or go to the emergency room where there are sick people who may or may not be a carrier of COVID-19! 

In a lot of ways, social distancing is causing harm.  It will be interesting to see the stats on the number of people who died because they didn't receive adequate treatment or were too afraid to go to the ER.

I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.

I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.

[Gefn]

Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.

All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.


This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.

[libertybele]

I cancelled my doctors visits until June. I was supposed to have a six month dental cleaning this month. The doctor cancelled for me.

I have three doctors appointments between April and June 1. All cancelled. Not a big deal.
Last week I did have to go to the eye doctor because I scratched my cornea. She took me but I had to get my temperature taken, and wear a mask the entire time.

Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal.  For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision.  Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence. 

Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.

Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.

New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

[libertybele]

Off topic slightly, last night some people in one of the upstairs apartments got really plastered and were running around in the hallways. It was about 1am, and I had a flashback I was back in college.

All that was missing was music blaring out the windows.


This lockdown is really starting to rub people the bad way. I’m now starting week seven.

I'm with ya -- week 7 (or 8) here as well.

[Gefn]

Well, I'm glad that your symptoms/ailments are not a big deal.  For heart patients, diabetics, asthmatics, those with high blood pressure that's a completely different story -- who can't get routine preventative care that another ballgame. Those with any symptoms, appointments are delayed or directed to go to ER if symptoms get worse. So again, risking going to the ER vs. taking chances at home. Heck of a decision.  Those with heart, lung, blood pressure, diabetes -- could encounter life threatening events ... but contracting COVID-19 IS a death sentence. 

Point I'm making is in-office care with a physician that could prevent further complications is pretty much obsolete.

Elective procedures which may be necessary to combat further complications have been cancelled as well.

New cancer patient treatments are being put on hold.

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

It’s happening where I live, and affected several people I know, one of them is my mom. Not good.
@libertybele

[mountaineer]

Perhaps this is not happening in your area, but this is what I've encountered or know of others whose health has  been "put on hold".  Not a good thing.

Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.

 If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.

[Cyber Liberty]

Having had my "elective" hip replacement surgery just under the wire (2/24) before everything shut down, I have great sympathy for all those whose supposedly nonessential surgeries - whether orthopedic or cancer-related - have been postponed. These people are in pain, or they wouldn't need new hips, knees, etc.

 If I hadn't had my surgery when I did and currently was waiting for some governor's say-so, I would be in excruciating pain right now, unable to take a single step.

Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.

[mountaineer]

What are 'COVID toes'? Dermatologists, podiatrists share strange findings
Maura Hohman
3 days ago


The longer the novel coronavirus circulates, the more unexpected symptoms pop up.

Now, another condition possibly linked to the coronavirus has captured researchers' attention. Dubbed "COVID toes" by the dermatology community, it can look like "purple lesions" on feet or hands, Dr. Esther Freeman, a dermatologist at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, told TODAY. ...   But because COVID toes may appear before or without other coronavirus symptoms, Freeman believes it should be a criterion for testing.  ...

The condition usually starts with red or purple discoloration, and the skin may become raised or develop ulcerations, according to Freeman. It can be on hands, too.

Fox told TODAY it has appeared as "purple, red bumps" on the tips of digits and pads, or on the tops of toes or sides of feet.

People with COVID toes may feel the skin is hot, burning or itchy.   ... More, including photos, at MSN

[sneakypete]

Especially difficult with the anti-Opioid fanatics on the loose.

@Cyber Liberty

One of the things I find "ironic" is that when I see a doc today,trying to get a script for painkillers is very hard to do.

Back when I was younger and didn't have so much pain coming from so many places already, they would write me a script for a opioid of one sort or another,even after I told them I didn't want or need it.

One thing I learned long ago is that pain,up to a certain level,is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.

At one time back in the 70's,the VA was writing me prescriptions for 180 valiums at a time,with 6 refills because of back injuries I received on a parachute jump that went wrong when I was in the army. They flat refuse to give me any now. Good thing I still have some left from earlier prescriptions,huh?

[Cyber Liberty]

One thing I learned long ago is that pain, up to a certain level, is your friend because it reminds you that you are already injured,and need to be careful to not make it worse. This is the good news. Because of this I have what may be a lifetime supply (at my age,anyway) of industrial-strength painkillers in a big box that I can use any time I need them.

Very true.  The part I highlighted is important to note, because too much post-surgical pain is actually a detriment to recovery.

[Smokin Joe]

Ughhhhhh....

Oil down 29% overnight @$13.09/bbl.  Demand has dwindled significantly.

Rollercoaster begins again in earnest.

Bakken Crude (ND Sweet Light) down below $10/bbl.