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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3475 on: October 05, 2020, 02:15:46 pm »
I saw earlier articles explaining what the "90% false positive" means, this explained it better, in down-to-Earth language.

 :yowsa: That it does!  Better than I ever could in fact.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3476 on: October 06, 2020, 02:47:51 pm »
New WHO estimate puts coronavirus death rate at only 0.13%
U.N. body's figure in March was 26 times higher
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Lost in the reporting of the World Health Organization's new estimate that about 760 million people – more than 20 times the confirmed cases – have been infected by the coronavirus worldwide is the impact on the estimated survival rate.

If, indeed, 760 million have been infected at some point during the outbreak and the number of confirmed deaths is about 1 million, the infection fatality rate is only 0.13%.

That's a little more than one-tenth of 1%, which the WHO says is the rate for the seasonal flu.

The WHO's estimate in March of a death rate of 3.4% sparked panic worldwide, fueling the catastrophic lockdowns. ...
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3477 on: October 07, 2020, 02:21:33 am »
10-06-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.410 ↑    1.277 ↑
United States   22.764 ↑    1.569 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, TN, NC, & IL.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -12.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,952,131.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3478 on: October 07, 2020, 02:26:08 am »
10-07-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.541 ↑    1.276 ↓
United States   22.869 ↑    1.565 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, MO, CA, FL, & WI.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -38.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,946,572.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3479 on: October 10, 2020, 09:19:39 pm »
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« Reply #3480 on: October 12, 2020, 08:20:54 pm »
I just had a chat with a neighbor who owns a funeral home. He said not a single mortician - anywhere - has gotten Covid from handling the body of someone who allegedly died from it. He said once the deceased has been put in the cooler and body temp drops, the virus dies. 

He also said he has a mortician friend in Pa. who buried a young man killed in a motorcycle accident and the death certificate said Covid-19. The family is raising cain, because the fellow had a double indemnity accidental death provision in his life insurance policy.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3481 on: October 13, 2020, 12:11:59 am »
10-08-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.626 ↑    1.278 ↑
United States   22.953 ↑    1.564 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3482 on: October 13, 2020, 12:14:26 am »
10-09-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.711 ↑    1.280 ↑
United States   23.037 ↑    1.563 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -27.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3483 on: October 13, 2020, 12:17:58 am »
10-10-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.794 ↑    1.281 ↓
United States   23.120 ↑    1.562 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -18.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3484 on: October 13, 2020, 12:22:02 am »
10-11-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.877 ↑    1.283 ↑
United States   23.202 ↑    1.561 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, IL, WI, & MO.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -2.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,978,239
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3485 on: October 13, 2020, 12:25:09 am »
10-12-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   26.992 ↑    1.283 -
United States   23.342 ↑    1.558 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, IL, CA, WI, & TN.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -11.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,976,336.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3486 on: October 13, 2020, 01:26:46 am »
I just had a chat with a neighbor who owns a funeral home. He said not a single mortician - anywhere - has gotten Covid from handling the body of someone who allegedly died from it. He said once the deceased has been put in the cooler and body temp drops, the virus dies. 

He also said he has a mortician friend in Pa. who buried a young man killed in a motorcycle accident and the death certificate said Covid-19. The family is raising cain, because the fellow had a double indemnity accidental death provision in his life insurance policy.

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I hadn't even thought about it,but it looks like Insurance Companies might be loving the HELL out of this virus scare.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3487 on: October 13, 2020, 01:58:15 am »
It hadn't occurred to me, either. Of course insurance companies want no one's death ruled accidental. Brilliant!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3488 on: October 13, 2020, 11:55:43 pm »
45 people tested positive at a senior living facility not far from where I live. None showed any symptoms.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3489 on: October 14, 2020, 12:02:12 am »
With flu season just around the corner, you can bet that the positive COVID cases and deaths will rise.

I'm going to take the same precautions -- mask, hand sanitizer, and avoid crowds as much as possible -- other than wearing a mask, same precautions I take every flu season.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3490 on: October 14, 2020, 03:42:01 am »
10-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   27.107 ↑    1.282 ↓
United States   23.563 ↑    1.550 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, TN, IL, & WI.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  -32.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,957,274.

Global Recoveries-to-Deaths ratio climbs above 27.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3491 on: October 14, 2020, 03:48:25 am »
10-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)   27.215 ↑    1.282 -
United States   23.663 ↑    1.548 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Largest case rises occurred in TX, CA, WI, IL, & FL.

Past 7 day moving average of US deaths compared to 7-day average of previous period:  +2.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,958,846.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3492 on: October 15, 2020, 09:23:50 pm »
Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality

Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.

The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.

Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3493 on: October 15, 2020, 09:43:31 pm »
"Mortality" isn't the goal.  Sickness and permanent damage is.
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« Reply #3494 on: October 15, 2020, 10:04:40 pm »
Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality

Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.

The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.

Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream

To the degree people with moderate-severe symptoms were studied the wrong people were subjects. Whether remdesivir or HCQ or any other antiviral, the medication should be given early in the infection process, not after the virus has gotten hold. Testing an antiviral on a person with moderate-severe symptoms is like closing the chicken coop door after a skulk of foxes is inside chowing down.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3495 on: October 16, 2020, 12:29:29 am »
"Mortality" isn't the goal.  Sickness and permanent damage is.

Agenda 21. Logan's run. Impllant yourself into a machine to escape the human condition as a machine. Until you get an update.

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They say it killed the virus. Hmmmm....they said I would always test + for the C.
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« Reply #3496 on: October 16, 2020, 12:41:26 am »
Agenda 21. Logan's run. Impllant yourself into a machine to escape the human condition as a machine. Until you get an update.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3497 on: October 16, 2020, 08:02:37 am »
Massive WHO Study Shows Remdesivir Doesn't Lower COVID-19 Mortality

Another speedbump has emerged in the drive to produce reliable COVID-19 therapeutics as a highly anticipated WHO drug trial called Solidarity found that Gilead's COVID-19 treatment, remdesivir, had no substantial effect on a COVID-19 patient's chances of survival. It also found that three other therapeutics were similarly ineffective.

The FT called the data a "significant blow" to efforts to find a drug that could help save late-stage COVID-19 patients. What's more, none of the drugs "substantially affected mortality" or reduce the need to ventilate patients.

Other drugs examined in the trial included hydroxychloroquine, lopnavir and interferon regimes. All of them had "little effect" on hospitalized patients.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-who-study-shows-remdesivir-doesnt-lower-covid-19-mortality#comment_stream
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"On hospitalized patients"

That phrase is being used to damn a few early onset therapies aimed toward keeping viral replication down and the patient out of the hospital. By the time a patient is hospitalized, the damage has been done,the virus has replicated to the degree that the Type 1 pneumocytes have suffered significant damage. These are the cells that cover 95% of the alveoli, and perform gas exchange with the blood, and are also the cells targeted by the SARS CoV-2 virus.

The purpose of hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc is for the hydroxychloroquine to act as an ionophore to admit the zinc to the Type 1 pneumocytes where the zinc interferes with viral replication, the Azithromycin adds to inhibiting the virus, reducing the cytokine reaction, and warding off opportunistic bacterial infection. At first presentation of symptoms this would stop the virus from causing damage done while replicating, leaving incomplete viral strands for the body to develop antibodies to. The patient would not degrade enough to need hosptialization.

Remdesevir, while administered in a clinical setting has a similar goal.

Later in the disease's progress, significant Type 1 pneumocytes have been damaged, and the preventative opportunities for the regimens has been lost. Locking the barn door after the horses are gone is of little effect in preventing equine escapes, so in this application, this should be no surprise, but should not affect the use of these regimens in early onset patients, where they can do some good.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3498 on: October 16, 2020, 01:33:47 pm »
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"On hospitalized patients"

That phrase is being used to damn a few early onset therapies aimed toward keeping viral replication down and the patient out of the hospital. By the time a patient is hospitalized, the damage has been done,the virus has replicated to the degree that the Type 1 pneumocytes have suffered significant damage. These are the cells that cover 95% of the alveoli, and perform gas exchange with the blood, and are also the cells targeted by the SARS CoV-2 virus.

The purpose of hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/Zinc is for the hydroxychloroquine to act as an ionophore to admit the zinc to the Type 1 pneumocytes where the zinc interferes with viral replication, the Azithromycin adds to inhibiting the virus, reducing the cytokine reaction, and warding off opportunistic bacterial infection. At first presentation of symptoms this would stop the virus from causing damage done while replicating, leaving incomplete viral strands for the body to develop antibodies to. The patient would not degrade enough to need hosptialization.

Remdesevir, while administered in a clinical setting has a similar goal.

Later in the disease's progress, significant Type 1 pneumocytes have been damaged, and the preventative opportunities for the regimens has been lost. Locking the barn door after the horses are gone is of little effect in preventing equine escapes, so in this application, this should be no surprise, but should not affect the use of these regimens in early onset patients, where they can do some good.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3499 on: October 16, 2020, 01:51:30 pm »
I kind of like my chicken coop word picture, but self-back-patting aside, trying that wrong timing "studies" tactic wasn't done with the several antibody-based treatments like Regeneron's. Those therapies' testing have included tests on hospitalized patients, but there are also tests that focus on patients early in the infection process. IOW, the test regimes have been carefully designed (and segregated!) to learn when best to use the antibody treatments.

BTW, one significant difference between convalescent plasma treatment and the several monoclonal antibody treatments (any drug whose technical name is "______mab" is monoclonal antibodies, e.g. the currently much advertised Keytruda, Pembrolizumab) is that the concentration of antibodies in convalescent plasma treatment varies with the donor pool, while the concentration of antibodies in a monoclonal antibody treatment is designed/controlled by the drug company.
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