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The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« on: March 14, 2020, 02:30:49 pm »
March 14, 2020
The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
By Daniel John Sobieski

First of all, Wuhan is a place and not a race, and to identify the coronavirus by its place of origin, like naming the Ebola Virus for a river in Zaire, is not racist or xenophobic — it's merely accurate.  There is no racism or xenophobia in labeling an infection "Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever" or calling something "Lyme Disease" after a nearby town in Connecticut.

What calling this latest virus the Wuhan Virus is is a reminder of the multiple contagions China has spawned and released on an unsuspecting world.  Nor is connecting some very big, ugly, and obvious dots just another conspiracy theory to be dismissed out of hand.

From the beginning China has been less than forthcoming about this virus and resisted sharing critical data and access to WHO and CDC specialists.  And have we forgotten Dr. Li Wenliang, the 33-year-old ophthalmologist based in Wuhan, the epicenter of the contagion, who tried to tell the world that China was hiding something malevolent, only to be silenced and imprisoned by Chinese authorities for allegedly fabricating lies about the disease's deadly potential?  He would later die of the disease he tried to warn us about and the Chinese tried to keep under wraps:

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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2020, 04:40:35 pm »
Obviously, this is to be laid at the feet of Donald Trump.  He's colluding with the ChiComs to kill off all the Democrats.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2020, 04:47:15 pm »
Exactly,  those who approach this with it's farfetched, sure, it may be...and they may be correct.

On the other hand,  all the turmoil this thing has caused may be directly the responsibility of China, they in turn, shouldn't get away with this.

It smacks a bit of a biowar from all I'm reading.  That's not to say, China did this intentionally BUT, they are the ones that apparently have unleashed this on the world.  We are all going through this because of China.

If the virus is "artificial"  and not by some act of nature, that really ratchets up responsibility, that's up to the experts to decide.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2020, 08:11:40 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 04:40:35 pm
Obviously, this is to be laid at the feet of Donald Trump.  He's colluding with the ChiComs to kill off all the Democrats.

Well he did praise their response to it back in January.

https://www.rt.com/usa/479140-trump-china-contain-coronavirus/
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2020, 08:19:57 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2020, 08:11:40 pm
Well he did praise their response to it back in January.

https://www.rt.com/usa/479140-trump-china-contain-coronavirus/

Nobody knew about "Patient Zero" then, who got it months before. 
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 08:20:44 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on March 14, 2020, 04:47:15 pm
Exactly,  those who approach this with it's farfetched, sure, it may be...and they may be correct.

On the other hand,  all the turmoil this thing has caused may be directly the responsibility of China, they in turn, shouldn't get away with this.

It smacks a bit of a biowar from all I'm reading.  That's not to say, China did this intentionally BUT, they are the ones that apparently have unleashed this on the world.  We are all going through this because of China.

If the virus is "artificial"  and not by some act of nature, that really ratchets up responsibility, that's up to the experts to decide.

I agree ... this seems like bio warfare that was released by China on the rest of the world; the question remains, was it intentional?  It is now being reported that they waited an entire month to sound the alarm and then the number of cases reported was grossly inaccurate.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 08:24:47 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on March 14, 2020, 08:20:44 pm
I agree ... this seems like bio warfare that was released by China on the rest of the world; the question remains, was it intentional?  It is now being reported that they waited an entire month to sound the alarm and then the number of cases reported was grossly inaccurate.

And somehow this is Trump's fault.  Scroll up a couple posts.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 08:35:47 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 08:24:47 pm
And somehow this is Trump's fault.  Scroll up a couple posts.

That's ok. I no longer waste my time reading or replying to the irrational thoughts.  The ignore feature works well and prevents a lot of frustration.  What is needed more than anything right now is for EVERYONE in this country to come together and support the efforts of this President and the team that has been put together to combat this virus.

Listening and watching the press conferences these past couple of days has been very encouraging. Uniting and combating this virus together will help us to get through this more quickly.  As Dr. Ben Carson urged; there is no time for bipartisanship -- we must come together now and in the future (paraphrased).

IMHO, Right now there isn't room for finger pointing and false accusations and nay saying in this country and those who do, well shame on them!!!   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2020, 08:39:42 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on March 14, 2020, 08:35:47 pm
That's ok. I no longer waste my time reading or replying to the irrational thoughts.  The ignore feature works well and prevents a lot of frustration.  What is needed more than anything right now is for EVERYONE in this country to come together and support the efforts of this President and the team that has been put together to combat this virus.

Listening and watching the press conferences these past couple of days has been very encouraging. Uniting and combating this virus together will help us to get through this more quickly.  As Dr. Ben Carson urged; there is no time for bipartisanship -- we must come together now and in the future (paraphrased).

IMHO, Right now there isn't room for finger pointing and false accusations and nay saying in this country and those who do, well shame on them!!!   :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

The President was on it in early January, where the only DeeCee story being covered was Pelosi and Schumer's Shampeachment.  But it's fashionable to accuse Trump of being asleep at the switch, and not beating up on the likely guilty party.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2020, 08:51:03 pm »
I should be noted that during the 1918-19 “Spanish” flu pandemic, a lot of rumors where spread (and long before and without social media) that the Germans had purposely infected US troops with the disease. Of course this was not true.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2020, 09:00:59 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 08:24:47 pm
And somehow this is Trump's fault.  Scroll up a couple posts.

Well, if you read the story line:

From the beginning China has been less than forthcoming about this virus and resisted sharing critical data and access to WHO and CDC specialists. And have we forgotten Dr. Li Wenliang, the 33-year-old ophthalmologist based in Wuhan, the epicenter of the contagion, who tried to tell the world that China was hiding something malevolent, only to be silenced and imprisoned by Chinese authorities for allegedly fabricating lies about the disease's deadly potential?  He would later die of the disease he tried to warn us about and the Chinese tried to keep under wraps:

I knew people who were saying this came from a lab at the start of the infections in the United States.  I didn't say its Trumps fault but he is very trusting of the Chinese President.  And very complimentary.  Most people are right not to trust the Chinese government.  Ever.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2020, 09:01:01 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 08:39:42 pm
The President was on it in early January, where the only DeeCee story being covered was Pelosi and Schumer's Shampeachment.  But it's fashionable to accuse Trump of being asleep at the switch, and not beating up on the likely guilty party.

Exactly. Most of us appreciate and realize the fact that he acted as quickly as he did, otherwise, we'd be looking at a whole other ballgame right now.  He saved lives and again he is being criticized.  Sort of like when he saved lives by doing away with Soleimani.   
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2020, 09:04:12 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on March 14, 2020, 09:01:01 pm
Exactly. Most of us appreciate and realize the fact that he acted as quickly as he did, otherwise, we'd be looking at a whole other ballgame right now.  He saved lives and again he is being criticized.  Sort of like when he saved lives by doing away with Soleimani.   

Well, maybe you will ignore me.  That's OK, but no.  His response was slow, and he was in denial of the severity. 

While in self-quarantine, Sen. Ted Cruz critical of Trump administration's handling of coronavirus testing
"I think the rollout of the test was clearly problematic," Cruz told ABC News.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2020, 09:20:25 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2020, 09:04:12 pm
Well, maybe you will ignore me.  That's OK, but no.  His response was slow, and he was in denial of the severity. 

While in self-quarantine, Sen. Ted Cruz critical of Trump administration's handling of coronavirus testing
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/quarantine-sen-ted-cruz-critical-trump-administrations-handling/story?id=69593208

I don't put people on "ignore" because of my position as Admin.  Ignoring goes both ways, because you have apparently been ignoring @PeteS in CA's many posts listing Trump's actions on the COVID-19, dating back to the first week of January.  Was the testing perfect?  No.  Is that the President's fault?  You gotta be kidding me.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2020, 09:36:50 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2020, 09:04:12 pm
Well, maybe you will ignore me.  That's OK, but no.  His response was slow, and he was in denial of the severity. 

While in self-quarantine, Sen. Ted Cruz critical of Trump administration's handling of coronavirus testing
"I think the rollout of the test was clearly problematic," Cruz told ABC News.

I tend to agree that Trump didn't seem to take this as serious as he should of at the beginning and was slow to get going (and only lately seems to be taking it somewhat serious)...

What I don't agree with is Ted here (and others) that put any blame on Trump for the tests.. It was Obama that mandated the tests cover all SARs related viruses, which made them hard to produced and inaccurate. That is on the CDC and Obama... I at times wonder just who's side the CDC is on (world globalist or America)... They (CDC) certainly play politics and wasteful games with the money allotted them.

In Trump's defense, I agree the dang democrats playing politics with impeachment crap that certainly put resources in limbo that could of been used to concentrate on real problems...

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On subject I posted a couple of links on threads to one of those crazy bloggers that went conspiracy theory on the coronavirus early on.... But funny thing thing is he was right on a lot of this, scary right about a lot of things... I sorta was afraid to post the links to a few of his articles cause he is out there on some things I don't agree with (somewhat racist and doesn't like Jews)... but I keep him (LameCherry) in my list of Alabama bloggers that I occasional visit cause he does cover some local politics for angles others will not... kind of like here at TBR...  I get both sides of the debate and I like that.... some I agree with some I don't, some opinions changes my opinion in time...
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2020, 09:52:43 pm »
Quote from: Sighlass on March 14, 2020, 09:36:50 pm
I tend to agree that Trump didn't seem to take this as serious as he should of at the beginning and was slow to get going (and only lately seems to be taking it somewhat serious)...

What I don't agree with is Ted here (and others) that put any blame on Trump for the tests.. It was Obama that mandated the tests cover all SARs related viruses, which made them hard to produced and inaccurate. That is on the CDC and Obama... I at times wonder just who's side the CDC is on (world globalist or America)... They (CDC) certainly play politics and wasteful games with the money allotted them.

In Trump's defense, I agree the dang democrats playing politics with impeachment crap that certainly put resources in limbo that could of been used to concentrate on real problems...

The President was working on this COVID-19 thing since days after it became known to WHO, but it received zero press coverage because the MSM was too busy cheerleading the Impeachment.

@PeteS in CA has been posting a good list of links about that.  I really need to save one of his posts to my hard drive so I can repeat them without pinging him.
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2020, 09:59:55 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:52:43 pm
The President was working on this COVID-19 thing since days after it became known to WHO, but it received zero press coverage because the MSM was too busy cheerleading the Impeachment.

@PeteS in CA has been posting a good list of links about that.  I really need to save one of his posts to my hard drive so I can repeat them without pinging him.

Yeah I saw it, and replied to it... thanks... he had some good points and I replied why I also hold my opinion (Trump not knowing that they were putting infected people in state close to us, which showed me he didn't have a clue what the CDC were doing)...
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2020, 10:16:22 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 04:40:35 pm
Obviously, this is to be laid at the feet of Donald Trump.  He's colluding with the ChiComs to kill off all the Democrats.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2020, 11:31:52 pm »
Quote from: Sighlass on March 14, 2020, 09:36:50 pm
I tend to agree that Trump didn't seem to take this as serious as he should of at the beginning and was slow to get going (and only lately seems to be taking it somewhat serious)...

What I don't agree with is Ted here (and others) that put any blame on Trump for the tests.. It was Obama that mandated the tests cover all SARs related viruses, which made them hard to produced and inaccurate. That is on the CDC and Obama... I at times wonder just who's side the CDC is on (world globalist or America)... They (CDC) certainly play politics and wasteful games with the money allotted them.

In Trump's defense, I agree the dang democrats playing politics with impeachment crap that certainly put resources in limbo that could of been used to concentrate on real problems...

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On subject I posted a couple of links on threads to one of those crazy bloggers that went conspiracy theory on the coronavirus early on.... But funny thing thing is he was right on a lot of this, scary right about a lot of things... I sorta was afraid to post the links to a few of his articles cause he is out there on some things I don't agree with (somewhat racist and doesn't like Jews)... but I keep him (LameCherry) in my list of Alabama bloggers that I occasional visit cause he does cover some local politics for angles others will not... kind of like here at TBR...  I get both sides of the debate and I like that.... some I agree with some I don't, some opinions changes my opinion in time...

Good post.  I also believe some conspiracy is really true.  But you have to test everything to determine what is true.
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2020, 11:36:25 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:20:25 pm
I don't put people on "ignore" because of my position as Admin.  Ignoring goes both ways, because you have apparently been ignoring @PeteS in CA's many posts listing Trump's actions on the COVID-19, dating back to the first week of January.  Was the testing perfect?  No.  Is that the President's fault?  You gotta be kidding me.

It was Trump sending mixed signals.  That it wasn't serious.  Perhaps he wasn't informed, but we had several cases here when Trump was saying his rallies were very safe.  I don't believe he took it seriously.  In my opinion it was probably more of an attack against him then a real threat to Americans.
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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2020, 11:57:30 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on March 14, 2020, 11:36:25 pm
It was Trump sending mixed signals.  That it wasn't serious.  Perhaps he wasn't informed, but we had several cases here when Trump was saying his rallies were very safe.  I don't believe he took it seriously.  In my opinion it was probably more of an attack against him then a real threat to Americans.

It is a given that Trump speaks mixed signals. He was foolish to say the government had it under control early on. It was also foolish to say the market hits were due to oil and not the virus.

But...

He's essentially done all the right things as far as what the federal government can do. The virus was coming here period. We're a large country with lots of people and material moving all over the world. The only thing that can be done is prepare for it and try to slow it down so everything isn't totally overloaded at the same time.

His best move was getting private businesses heavily involved in the preparation for what's coming. Giving them the leeway to act. For example loosening the grip of the CDC over private labs which was a big help.

I don't fault Trump on this. The federal government in reality is very limited on what it can actually produce in situations like this. It can only clear the path for others to act.
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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2020, 12:09:31 am »
From the beginning, how the Chinese acted when things started going south suggested it came from their own lab once they identified it. The lies, denials and covering up was obvious. And what are the odds that a virus of this nature that was actively being studied in a level 4 bio lab is in the city where it all starts in a country the size of China?
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2020, 12:32:03 am »
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From the beginning, how the Chinese acted when things started going south suggested it came from their own lab once they identified it. The lies, denials and covering up was obvious. And what are the odds that a virus of this nature that was actively being studied in a level 4 bio lab is in the city where it all starts in a country the size of China?

People were saying that very early on.  That it came from the lab.  And Trump mistakenly praise the Chinese response.  He also agreed with the Chinese president that it would go away when the temperatures started rising. (April).

I think that Trump is a person who tends to rely on himself rather than listening to others.  And he isn't an expert on all things. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/12/trump-officials-coronavirus-127742

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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2020, 02:35:35 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:20:25 pm
I don't put people on "ignore" because of my position as Admin.  Ignoring goes both ways, because you have apparently been ignoring @PeteS in CA's many posts listing Trump's actions on the COVID-19, dating back to the first week of January.  Was the testing perfect?  No.  Is that the President's fault?  You gotta be kidding me.

Yesterday I realized learning when China started closing off cities would be an important data point. What I found, linking a Chinese source:

Wuhan and other cities in Hubei Province shut down travel: January 23, 2020, https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-01-27/5-million-people-left-Wuhan-before-the-lockdown-where-did-they-go--NACCu9wItW/index.html

This shutdown happened 24 days after China notified WHO that they had some sort of outbreak.

I shouldn't "have to" avoid sources like Fox or WashEx or ...  but having seen DU-folk dismiss news they don't want to hear where Fox, etc. is the source as "Reich-Wing", I'm selective.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Re: The Wuhan Virus Escaped from a Chinese Lab
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2020, 02:53:28 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 14, 2020, 09:52:43 pm
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@PeteS in CA has been posting a good list of links about that.  I really need to save one of his posts to my hard drive so I can repeat them without pinging him.

@Cyber Liberty, PMs sent. I probably should add to the timeline dates like when the US Army announced they would participate in testing Moderna's treatment drug and when Eli Lilly announced they would partner with a company that has developed what looks like a treatment-vaccine combo under the 2018 DARPA project.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.
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