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James Clyburn Dismisses Record Black Employment: ‘We Were Fully Employed During Slavery’

Joshua Caplan 20 Feb 2020

Appearing Tuesday on the Fox Business Network, House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-SC) dismissed record-low black unemployment under President Donald Trump, stating black Americans “were fully employed during slavery.”

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    NEIL CAVUTO: As you’ve been seeing with Michael Bloomberg, he’s been jumping in the polls on the heels of his very expensive, pricey ad buys if you include $125 million slated for Super Tuesday. Could you, would you back him?

    REP. JAMES CLYBURN: I’m going to back whoever our nominee is — Absolutely.

    CAVUTO: Even with the things he’s said about African-Americans? Does that bother you?

    REP. CLYBURN: Not as much as what Trump has said about African-Americans. Anytime that I go to the polls, I’m considering positives and negatives on all candidates and I try to go with the one whose positives outweigh the negatives.

    CAVUTO: Let’s leave the words aside, whether you like his style or not, tweets or not, or comments or not, he’s delivered the goods for a lot of African-Americans. Does he not with record-low unemployment levels?… You don’t think that’s something that’s constructive?

    REP. CLYBURN: No, because it’s not true. I’m saying that the African American unemployment is not the lowest it’s ever been unless you count slavery… We were fully employed during slavery. So, it all depends how you measure this up.

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Gee, does he really think these were the good old days?
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We were fully employed during slavery.

How the F would he know?  The only cotton he's ever seen he pulled out of his ear!
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Can you imagine if a Republican had said that blacks were fully employed during slavery?  There would be blood running in the streets.
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The same people who don’t know the difference between being employed and being forced to be a slave are the same people that want to run your healthcare  and make economic decisions for the country
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Can you imagine if a Republican had said that blacks were fully employed during slavery?  There would be blood running in the streets.

 I have seen this before. People tend to respond to truths that they don’t like to hear and come up with some of the strangest rebuttals

But you are right. I can’t imagine how that would play out if a Republican said that slaves were better off during slavery because at least they had a job
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So we should vote Democrat to bring back slavery?
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There's stupid, and then there's Democrat stupid.

Is Clyburn trying to argue that the black unemployment rate does not matter? Is he arguing that employment is unimportant?  Is he saying that there's no difference between a paying job and unpaid slavery?

No, he's not saying anything really, because he's an idiot.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out why these people say such stupid things. :shrug:

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Can you imagine if a Republican had said that blacks were fully employed during slavery?  There would be blood running in the streets.
I mentioned once in a discussion in Aspen, CO (of all places), that there was a system which promised full employment, housing, adequate food, and reasonably good health care (for its day).

Yep, slavery.

Owners have a vested interest in their slaves being functional, hence food, clothing, health care and housing.

Those were more civil days, and I could see I'd provoked thought among those I was talking with. Now, I'd have been sent floating face down in the Colorado River past Glenwood Springs...
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I'm having a hard time figuring out why these people say such stupid things. :shrug:
Might I posit?

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Talk about being welded into the democratic plantation... Cement isn't as dehydrated stupid as this fellow.
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I'm having a hard time figuring out why these people say such stupid things. :shrug:

Because they know the people that vote for them are the stupid ones.  Garbage in, Garbage out.

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Yeah,and blacks will once again be fully employed if the Dims ever seize the control they want.

Or at least the ones that are allowed to continue living will be fully employed.

Soros got his start by turning in his fellow Jews to the Nazis to be exterminated,but don't let that worry you too much. I am certain he would never dream of treating blacks like he treated his own people.

Ok,I suspect he would treat blacks better. Probably even let them ride in trains with heat.

Don't let it worry you,Clyburn. I'm sure Soros would treat you like you were family.
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Owners have a vested interest in their slaves being functional, hence food, clothing, health care and housing.



Mention the above to your average leftists, and they think you’re expressing support for slavery.  But even in the dehumanizing institution of slavery,  economics is still involved. If you pay a lot of money for a slave and that slave brings you income, you want a healthy slave
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Didn't I read somewhere that technically NBA players still count as slaves?
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Didn't I read somewhere that technically NBA players still count as slaves?
I think it's NFL players who are still living on the plantation (at least, according to Stephen A. Smith and a few others).
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There's stupid, and then there's Democrat stupid.

Is Clyburn trying to argue that the black unemployment rate does not matter? Is he arguing that employment is unimportant?  Is he saying that there's no difference between a paying job and unpaid slavery?

No, he's not saying anything really, because he's an idiot.

You  have to remember the mindset these RL idiots have.   They don't appreciate a low unemployment rate because they want everybody dependent completely on their god, Government.  Having a job equates to independence from their god.  It means their god won't be able to "Bloomberg Control" everybody and have them by their short hairs.  Can't have that.
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You  have to remember the mindset these RL idiots have.   They don't appreciate a low unemployment rate because they want everybody dependent completely on their god, Government.  Having a job equates to independence from their god.  It means their god won't be able to "Bloomberg Control" everybody and have them by their short hairs.  Can't have that.

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Mention the above to your average leftists, and they think you’re expressing support for slavery.  But even in the dehumanizing institution of slavery,  economics is still involved. If you pay a lot of money for a slave and that slave brings you income, you want a healthy slave
Precisely. While this might sound crass, the calculus is this:

There is no ROI from an abused or neglected slave. Historically, in the American context, only those who could work and work well (and that included morale among the slaves, something which seriously affects the quality and quantity of the work done) would provide a solid return on investment. Even small rewards for performance (better quarters, stable environment, some semblance of family life) could net a better bottom line. In Antebellum America, the investment (in gold) was substantial, especially when one considers that 20.67 of those dollars were the price of an ounce of gold. To obtain the equivalent price of a slave today, you would have to multiply that 1850 price by ~80. (spot $1645/oz of gold), So, a $500 slave in 1850 would cost the equivalent of $40,000 in today's dollars, to put that in perspective. Not something the average person could do.

And while there are those who will take a sledge hammer to their new farm equipment, they are few. There is no gain, no profit, no ROI in that. (Lest we forget, Uncle Tom's Cabin was a novel, abolitionist agitprop used to justify a war many did not want to fight.) I would postulate that there were few who owned slaves, and far fewer still who abused them, outside of employing them and their lack of freedom. It is an institution which deserved to die, although that death may be overrated in its effectiveness, and  imposing it here was (and still is) used as an excuse to invade and conquer lands which had been held, ironically, in economic bondage to their conquerors (follow the money, it is ever the motive for war).
Slavery persists, in some nations openly, and for a much lower buy-in, and in societies where profit is easy to come by (average slave price about $90 (USD)), the wholly capitalistic incentive to treat slaves well enough to gain an ROI is removed. Life, literally, is far cheaper, and the slave a less valued commodity overall. source



In no way are my comments above intended to justify the abhorrent institution by which one man might own another. I cannot justify that, and fight against those chains daily myself, albeit chains imposed by a Government, and not a specific owner.

And in America, those once enslaved in private hands are now the chattel of the Government, trapped in an economic scheme which requires quantum leaps in capability and income to escape, or sheer and dogged determination, a system which exists to employ a multitude of officials at public expense, offering little escape for those who allegedly benefit, a system working in concert with other bureaucracies to keep generations in the same economic thrall, in the name of 'helping', guaranteeing a population dependent on the largess and 'kind hand' of a government which forcibly extricates those resources from the rest of the population, without their consent, and to the detriment of nongovernmental programs which would help free those dependents from their bondage.

Call that what you will, but all that has changed is who 'owns' the plantation, and the amount of work expected.
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Precisely. While this might sound crass, the calculus is this:

There is no ROI from an abused or neglected slave. Historically, in the American context, only those who could work and work well (and that included morale among the slaves, something which seriously affects the quality and quantity of the work done) would provide a solid return on investment. Even small rewards for performance (better quarters, stable environment, some semblance of family life) could net a better bottom line. In Antebellum America, the investment (in gold) was substantial, especially when one considers that 20.67 of those dollars were the price of an ounce of gold. To obtain the equivalent price of a slave today, you would have to multiply that 1850 price by ~80. (spot $1645/oz of gold), So, a $500 slave in 1850 would cost the equivalent of $40,000 in today's dollars, to put that in perspective. Not something the average person could do.

And while there are those who will take a sledge hammer to their new farm equipment, they are few. There is no gain, no profit, no ROI in that. (Lest we forget, Uncle Tom's Cabin was a novel, abolitionist agitprop used to justify a war many did not want to fight.) I would postulate that there were few who owned slaves, and far fewer still who abused them, outside of employing them and their lack of freedom. It is an institution which deserved to die, although that death may be overrated in its effectiveness, and  imposing it here was (and still is) used as an excuse to invade and conquer lands which had been held, ironically, in economic bondage to their conquerors (follow the money, it is ever the motive for war).
Slavery persists, in some nations openly, and for a much lower buy-in, and in societies where profit is easy to come by (average slave price about $90 (USD)), the wholly capitalistic incentive to treat slaves well enough to gain an ROI is removed. Life, literally, is far cheaper, and the slave a less valued commodity overall. source



In no way are my comments above intended to justify the abhorrent institution by which one man might own another. I cannot justify that, and fight against those chains daily myself, albeit chains imposed by a Government, and not a specific owner.

And in America, those once enslaved in private hands are now the chattel of the Government, trapped in an economic scheme which requires quantum leaps in capability and income to escape, or sheer and dogged determination, a system which exists to employ a multitude of officials at public expense, offering little escape for those who allegedly benefit, a system working in concert with other bureaucracies to keep generations in the same economic thrall, in the name of 'helping', guaranteeing a population dependent on the largess and 'kind hand' of a government which forcibly extricates those resources from the rest of the population, without their consent, and to the detriment of nongovernmental programs which would help free those dependents from their bondage.

Call that what you will, but all that has changed is who 'owns' the plantation, and the amount of work expected.


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Let's not forget the FACT that when a slave got too old or sick to work the fields,he or she was basically "retired" at the Masters expense to live their lives out taking care of the children while their parents worked.

Kinda ironic that the slaves of the 1800's were the only ones with a "retirement plan",ain;t it?
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@Smokin Joe

Let's not forget the FACT that when a slave got too old or sick to work the fields,he or she was basically "retired" at the Masters expense to live their lives out taking care of the children while their parents worked.

Kinda ironic that the slaves of the 1800's were the only ones with a "retirement plan",ain;t it?
Yes, it is.
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If in good enough shape and well enough comported, he/she might be outfitted with livery and given an undemanding job in the Big House, to preserve their self-respect for the duration, or simply given the 'job' of fishing or selecting food for the table there, watching the nursery, or cleaning.
These occupations were of importance, even if undemanding physically, as was watching and teaching children, be they free or slave.  The fields and other positions of physical labor were for those fit to do the jobs, and it was not unusual for owners to work alongside those slaves, laboring as well.

Might I note also, that the most dangerous jobs were commonly filled by hirelings. Slaves were not permitted in the hold of a ship being loaded with tobacco hogsheads, for instance. A small roll of the vessel could cause those to roll in the hold, crushing any there to death. (It was the Irish who ended up longshoremen, teamsters, firefighters, police, blasters, miners, and the like, denied other employment and doing the jobs Americans didn't want to do.)

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Precisely. While this might sound crass, the calculus is this:

There is no ROI from an abused or neglected slave. Historically, in the American context, only those who could work and work well (and that included morale among the slaves, something which seriously affects the quality and quantity of the work done) would provide a solid return on investment. Even small rewards for performance (better quarters, stable environment, some semblance of family life) could net a better bottom line. In Antebellum America, the investment (in gold) was substantial, especially when one considers that 20.67 of those dollars were the price of an ounce of gold. To obtain the equivalent price of a slave today, you would have to multiply that 1850 price by ~80. (spot $1645/oz of gold), So, a $500 slave in 1850 would cost the equivalent of $40,000 in today's dollars, to put that in perspective. Not something the average person could do.

And while there are those who will take a sledge hammer to their new farm equipment, they are few. There is no gain, no profit, no ROI in that. (Lest we forget, Uncle Tom's Cabin was a novel, abolitionist agitprop used to justify a war many did not want to fight.) I would postulate that there were few who owned slaves, and far fewer still who abused them, outside of employing them and their lack of freedom. It is an institution which deserved to die, although that death may be overrated in its effectiveness, and  imposing it here was (and still is) used as an excuse to invade and conquer lands which had been held, ironically, in economic bondage to their conquerors (follow the money, it is ever the motive for war).
Slavery persists, in some nations openly, and for a much lower buy-in, and in societies where profit is easy to come by (average slave price about $90 (USD)), the wholly capitalistic incentive to treat slaves well enough to gain an ROI is removed. Life, literally, is far cheaper, and the slave a less valued commodity overall. source



In no way are my comments above intended to justify the abhorrent institution by which one man might own another. I cannot justify that, and fight against those chains daily myself, albeit chains imposed by a Government, and not a specific owner.

And in America, those once enslaved in private hands are now the chattel of the Government, trapped in an economic scheme which requires quantum leaps in capability and income to escape, or sheer and dogged determination, a system which exists to employ a multitude of officials at public expense, offering little escape for those who allegedly benefit, a system working in concert with other bureaucracies to keep generations in the same economic thrall, in the name of 'helping', guaranteeing a population dependent on the largess and 'kind hand' of a government which forcibly extricates those resources from the rest of the population, without their consent, and to the detriment of nongovernmental programs which would help free those dependents from their bondage.

Call that what you will, but all that has changed is who 'owns' the plantation, and the amount of work expected.

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He just might be idiotic enough to also claim that slaves were better off under Democrats, too.

Think how rich that one might be.
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Might I note also, that the most dangerous jobs were commonly filled by hirelings. Slaves were not permitted in the hold of a ship being loaded with tobacco hogsheads, for instance. A small roll of the vessel could cause those to roll in the hold, crushing any there to death. (It was the Irish who ended up longshoremen, teamsters, firefighters, police, blasters, miners, and the like, denied other employment and doing the jobs Americans didn't want to do.)

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That was an economic thing. Slaves cost a lot of money,and a dead or crippled slave doesn't pull in any profits. On the other hand,an Irish day laborer only cost you that days wages,and if he got crippled or killed before the end of the day,you didn't even have to pay that.
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