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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #225 on: February 06, 2020, 02:28:32 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #226 on: February 06, 2020, 02:29:50 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on February 06, 2020, 02:26:57 pm
@Cyber Liberty

I posted the timeline of the Burisma case from more than one source.  The Biden's were not in that case.  The former AG of Florida, tried to put them in that case - she is wrong.  It was Biden who worked with our allies to get rid of the prosecutor general who would not investigate Burisma.  Getting rid of that prosecutor would allow investigation of Burisma.

The possibility exists I'm not buying your sources, one of which is the notorious Wikipedia.  Wiki is as reliable as Snopes when it comes to anything political.  But...it is human nature to cherry pick facts when making up a narrative.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #227 on: February 06, 2020, 02:35:27 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 02:19:30 pm
It's not.   They are lying...

per usual.

Take note of which members here are spewing and regurgitating the lies, btw.

Trump needed 34 votes; he got 52, 50% more than he needed. Clinton got 16 more than he needed. If you characterize those as "narrow" what's the correct adjective for Johnson's 1-vote margin?
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #228 on: February 06, 2020, 02:41:21 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on February 06, 2020, 02:26:57 pm
@Cyber Liberty

I posted the timeline of the Burisma case from more than one source.  The Biden's were not in that case.  The former AG of Florida, tried to put them in that case - she is wrong.  It was Biden who worked with our allies to get rid of the prosecutor general who would not investigate Burisma.  Getting rid of that prosecutor would allow investigation of Burisma.

Pardon my bluntness.... but that sounds like it is backasswards and patently untrue.

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The prosecutor was fired, and the investigation was dropped six months later. While the investigation was just reopened last year, it has been a slow-moving process that has turned up little. At the time Biden pushed for the firing of Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general, Shokin had plans to question Hunter Biden.

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At the time Biden pushed for the firing of Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor general, Shokin had plans to question Hunter Biden.
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/24/watch-joe-biden-brag-about-bribing-ukraine-to-fire-the-prosecutor-investigating-his-sons-company/



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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #229 on: February 06, 2020, 02:46:12 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 02:41:21 pm
Pardon my bluntness.... but that sounds like it is backasswards and patently untrue.

I guess it depends on which "case" one chooses to cite.  I am sure there are investigations into Ukraine and Bursima that don't involve the Bidens.  Why would Poland or Germany care about connections to corrupt US politicians like Biden? 

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #230 on: February 06, 2020, 02:54:13 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #231 on: February 06, 2020, 03:00:50 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 06, 2020, 02:46:12 pm
I guess it depends on which "case" one chooses to cite.  I am sure there are investigations into Ukraine and Bursima that don't involve the Bidens.  Why would Poland or Germany care about connections to corrupt US politicians like Biden? 

ETA:  The Federalist pales as a source when compared to Wikipedia and Snopes.  You'll have to do better.   wink777

Lol!!!   Yeah, who can beat Wiki?

But sneriously..... I have to ask and wonder....

why would someone (here) be so determined to push that "Bidens not involved" story?   

Hmmm....
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #232 on: February 06, 2020, 03:14:23 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on February 06, 2020, 06:10:13 am

As an analogy, I liken this event to someone getting a Jay-walking ticket, while trying to save a toddler who had went out in the middle of the road.

The only problem with your comparison is that jaywalking actually is a crime.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #233 on: February 06, 2020, 03:17:27 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on February 06, 2020, 03:14:23 pm
The only problem with your comparison is that jaywalking actually is a crime.

But.... a crime that is rarely enforced.   So a "minor" crime.  And we all know how selective the rats are when it comes to enforcement.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #234 on: February 06, 2020, 03:20:47 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 03:00:50 pm
Lol!!!   Yeah, who can beat Wiki?

But sneriously..... I have to ask and wonder....

why would someone (here) be so determined to push that "Bidens not involved" story?   

Hmmm....

All I can say is some people absolutely refuse to admit that they are wrong in their assessment; professionally or personally.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #235 on: February 06, 2020, 03:23:22 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 06, 2020, 03:20:47 pm
All I can say is some people absolutely refuse to admit that they are wrong in their assessment; professionally or personally.

Absolutely.   

I just have to wonder at some of those "assessments".... considering that this is a Conservative forum.  Some that seem to go against the Conservative stance.    :shrug:
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #236 on: February 06, 2020, 03:23:26 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 03:00:50 pm
Lol!!!   Yeah, who can beat Wiki?

But sneriously..... I have to ask and wonder....

why would someone (here) be so determined to push that "Bidens not involved" story?   

Hmmm....

That's an easy one - Biden's corruption fully justifies the call for investigation.

As for Wiki, it has armies of full time scrubbers to remove negative info on liberals before anyone sees it.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #237 on: February 06, 2020, 03:25:01 pm »
Quote from: Snarknado on February 06, 2020, 03:23:26 pm
That's an easy one - Biden's corruption fully justifies the call for investigation.

As for Wiki, it has armies of full time scrubbers to remove negative info on liberals before anyone sees it.

Yeah... and if you haven't noticed... many of the "Biden bragging video" have already been scrubbed from the net.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #238 on: February 06, 2020, 03:36:42 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 03:23:22 pm
Absolutely.   

I just have to wonder at some of those "assessments".... considering that this is a Conservative forum.  Some that seem to go against the Conservative stance.    :shrug:

Yes, but keep in mind that they can't admit that they could be wrong, they don't see anything positive or conservative about Trump; therefore they tend to take the opposite position whether or not it is actually a liberal stance. 

It is good to see differences of opinions posted and debated though.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #239 on: February 06, 2020, 03:42:33 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on February 06, 2020, 03:36:42 pm
Yes, but keep in mind that they can't admit that they could be wrong, they don't see anything positive or conservative about Trump; therefore they tend to take the opposite position whether or not it is actually a liberal stance. 

It is good to see differences of opinions posted and debated though.

Yes, it's a good thing to have "debate".   

Which is why I always have to add my 'two cents'...lololol.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #240 on: February 06, 2020, 03:45:20 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 03:42:33 pm
Yes, it's a good thing to have "debate".   

Which is why I always have to add my 'two cents'...lololol.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #241 on: February 06, 2020, 04:13:29 pm »
Quote from: Lando Lincoln on February 06, 2020, 01:03:15 pm
Thank you.  It is maddening.  And the talking heads willfully ignore and fail to inform at almost every turn.

News headlines prove every day, there are a thousand ways to lie.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #242 on: February 06, 2020, 04:16:22 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 03:42:33 pm
Yes, it's a good thing to have "debate".   

Which is why I always have to add my 'two cents'...lololol.

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I love it when I get my money's worth...   wink777
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #243 on: February 06, 2020, 04:20:12 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 06, 2020, 04:16:22 pm
I love it when I get my money's worth...   wink777

Uh... was that snark???    :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #244 on: February 06, 2020, 04:39:21 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 06, 2020, 04:20:12 pm
Uh... was that snark???    :silly: :silly: :silly:

I think so....I'm terrible at it.   :beer:
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #245 on: February 06, 2020, 05:02:57 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on February 06, 2020, 04:39:21 pm
I think so....I'm terrible at it.   :beer:

Lol!   It takes years and years (decades even) of practice....hehe.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #246 on: February 06, 2020, 05:34:09 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on February 06, 2020, 02:08:45 pm
@catfish1957

I presented the facts of the Burisma case.  It appears you did not read it as the Biden's were not in that case.

No, this bs can no longer stand @Victoria33  Pam Bondi presented the facts .... not you.

Get a grip on your hate, please.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #247 on: February 07, 2020, 07:53:11 am »
Quote from: Victoria33 on February 05, 2020, 09:33:17 pm
@mystery-ak

I did not watch his speech, but the above sentence is true.  Think about it - if it had been, say, Thomas Jones and his son, Trevor Jones, and those are fake names, Trump would have done nothing.  Because it was Biden, he wanted to stop Biden running against him or smear him so badly, few would vote for him.

The way this happened is usually told the wrong way.  I did hear one person in the trial explain how it really happened which I have known for a long time.  Our allies in the EU, plus our US, knew this head prosecutor was getting pay-offs and not investigating corruption cases. 

We and our allies all knew this and wanted this man out.  Among cases he closed without investigating was Burisma.  If Biden's son had done something wrong, Biden would have wanted this investigator to stay.  Once that investigator was gone, the next one could investigate Burisma.  That is the truth of what happened.

I had read it before in another article.  That Shokin was corrupt himself and that it wasn't just Biden that wanted him fired.  That there were  other European leaders calling for him to be fired.  Here is something for you.

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #248 on: February 07, 2020, 06:50:39 pm »
@Cyber Liberty,

Both the above sources tell the truth of the matter.  Since Biden's name is attached to the US efforts to remove this corrupt prosecutor, some here refuse to accept the truth.  And, again, because Biden's name is attached, some think I like Biden.

It appears useless to write the truth on this forum; minds are closed to the truth. 
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #249 on: February 07, 2020, 07:22:18 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on February 07, 2020, 07:53:11 am
I had read it before in another article.  That Shokin was corrupt himself and that it wasn't just Biden that wanted him fired.  That there were  other European leaders calling for him to be fired.

@Chosen Daughter

The part that has been pointed out to you several times already (and which you continue to ignore) is that Shokin was replaced by a man who had earlier served three years in prison for embezzlement and abuse of office.  In other words, it wasn't that Shokin was corrupt.  He just wasn't corrupt for the right people.
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