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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #175 on: February 05, 2020, 10:35:14 pm »
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I did not watch his speech, but the above sentence is true.  Think about it - if it had been, say, Thomas Jones and his son, Trevor Jones, and those are fake names, Trump would have done nothing.



@DUHHHHHH!

If it had been "Paul Private Citizen",there would have been no corruption or political crime committed.

It was BECAUSE Biden was not only a prominent political figure that Trump wanted the investigation,but because Biden was interfering with US foreign policy for purposes of personal enrichment,and funneling the money through his retarded son by making sure he had a board seat to "launder" the payoffs.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #176 on: February 05, 2020, 10:36:14 pm »
Romney himself does not 'identify' as a Republican. I don't know what he is, but he is expressly not a Republican. He and Jeb Bush, Kristol, and all the NeverTrumps should all get together and declare their own Party.

During his run for president he told us he was a “severe conservative”.  Okaaay.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #177 on: February 05, 2020, 10:43:23 pm »
Not even a simple majority to convict.

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Yep. But they are acting like it is close. Not even. It takes sixty seven guilty votes to remove the president. They are 19 to 20 short of a conviction.
Good. I got tired of this farce long ago.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #178 on: February 05, 2020, 10:49:00 pm »
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Amazing, when you think about it, that the two most disloyal Republican Senators in the last five years were former Republican nominees for President

It says a lot about the primary process, doesn't it?
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #179 on: February 05, 2020, 10:55:10 pm »
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Amazing, when you think about it, that the two most disloyal Republican Senators in the last five years were former Republican nominees for President

It says a lot about the primary process, doesn't it?

Let's hope Republicans are never fooled again.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #180 on: February 05, 2020, 10:56:42 pm »
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Amazing, when you think about it, that the two most disloyal Republican Senators in the last five years were former Republican nominees for President

It says a lot about the primary process, doesn't it?

You speak words of gold there, @jmyrlefuller!
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #181 on: February 05, 2020, 10:59:05 pm »
Mitt Romney blows goats.
Romney has the seat until 2024, when he'll be 77

By then the Utah GOP should be able to find a better US Senator.

He has 3 0r more nice houses in desirable location. He has 100s of $millions

He has really accomplished nothing, but to distinguish himself for nothing positive.

Any time, effort, money spent on revenge towards Romney, could BETTER be deployed making the GOP more electable.

 

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #182 on: February 05, 2020, 11:06:02 pm »
She's still not making any "sence."  There are a lot of assumed facts in that post that are not in evidence.
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Cyber, the post is a "perfect" post that is absolutely true.  It is has been the truth since Trump first started after Biden.  You know I research which I did at the beginning.  I'll find it from someone other than me, and maybe you will believe me then.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #183 on: February 05, 2020, 11:07:13 pm »
Romney has the seat until 2024, when he'll be 77

By then the Utah GOP should be able to find a better US Senator.

He has 3 0r more nice houses in desirable location. He has 100s of $millions

He has really accomplished nothing, but to distinguish himself for nothing positive.

Any time, effort, money spent on revenge towards Romney, could BETTER be deployed making the GOP more electable.

Good advise.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #184 on: February 05, 2020, 11:11:48 pm »
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They key word is in bold above. The next impeachment attempt starts tomorrow.

Perhaps.  Except for Romney EVERY GOP senator voted for acquittal, so there is no reason to repeat this again UNLESS the Dems actually have proof without a reasonable doubt the he is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors, bribery or treason. 

I think that the American people are weary of the DEMS continual horse and pony shows and the circus reporting by the MSM.

Now, IF Trump is re-elected and the DEMS take the Senate -- they will absolutely impeach him again.

IMHO the survival of this administration and the GOP party itself is to start indicting Biden and Clinton and others otherwise once a DEM takes office (probably in 2024) they will do everything to ensure that the GOP is never seated again.  They will change the electoral process and rapidly grant voting rights and asylum to all illegals.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #185 on: February 05, 2020, 11:12:32 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #186 on: February 05, 2020, 11:20:10 pm »
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Cyber, the post is a "perfect" post that is absolutely true.  It is has been the truth since Trump first started after Biden.  You know I research which I did at the beginning.  I'll find it from someone other than me, and maybe you will believe me then.

If his name wasn't "Biden" he would not have taken the bribes and Trump would not have had to follow the law to prevent corruption. Far from a perfect post.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #187 on: February 05, 2020, 11:42:06 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #188 on: February 05, 2020, 11:47:37 pm »
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #189 on: February 06, 2020, 12:01:23 am »
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At dinner; have other sources about Burisma and Prosecutor General of Ukraine; will post  within two hours.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #190 on: February 06, 2020, 12:15:45 am »
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At dinner; have other sources about Burisma and Prosecutor General of Ukraine; will post  within two hours.

Oh, wait, I’ll have to cancel a late dinner at the Mayor’s estate, but I’ll be right here waiting for this breaking news when you get back.

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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #191 on: February 06, 2020, 01:12:31 am »
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Romney: "There's no question that were their names not Biden the president would never have done what he did."

I did not watch his speech, but the above sentence is true.  Think about it - if it had been, say, Thomas Jones and his son, Trevor Jones, and those are fake names, Trump would have done nothing.

@Victoria33

Were their names not Biden, they never would have been offered the graft that they ended up taking.  And were the President's name not Trump, the Democrats would never have done what they did.


Because it was Biden, he wanted to stop Biden running against him or smear him so badly, few would vote for him.

This is preposterous.  Joe Biden isn't a political threat to anyone.  Not to Bernie Sanders.  Not to Elizabeth Warren.  Not to the Indiana mayor.  And especially not to any Republican.  Biden has run for President twice already.   Both times, he received only 1% of the Democrat vote.


The way this happened is usually told the wrong way.  I did hear one person in the trial explain how it really happened which I have known for a long time.  Our allies in the EU, plus our US, knew this head prosecutor was getting pay-offs and not investigating corruption cases. 

We and our allies all knew this and wanted this man out. 

So we replaced him with a man who previously served three years in prison for embezzlement and abuse of office, and who later pushed for the removal of US Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #192 on: February 06, 2020, 01:16:53 am »
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At dinner; have other sources about Burisma and Prosecutor General of Ukraine; will post  within two hours.

Would you happen to have any sources that show President Trump committed an impeachable crime?
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #193 on: February 06, 2020, 01:24:42 am »
Let's move on!  The President has been acquitted.  Done.  Over with.  As McConnell so accurately pointed out, the political party that lost in '16 has not been able to get over nor accept their loss.  Some in here it seems can't accept his winning either.

It has become bewildering actually.  The very first time that I voted was back during the Carter election.  I cannot ever remember since then any President being treated so shamefully and hatefully as Donald John Trump has been treated. 

A lot of what I felt during the Reagan years, I now feel with Trump; secure with his leadership.  Unfortunately that feeling is muddled now and then by knowing how far the left is willing to go to destroy this man, even IF it means destroying this Republic and bringing about socialism and it seems that there are those in here who would delight in seeing him destroyed as well. 
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #194 on: February 06, 2020, 02:09:05 am »
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Well, if the Republicans openly attack Romney, then it looks like something Democrats would do: strictly vote guilt or innocence on Party lines. The GOP is wise not to attack Romney. Hell, give him more ammo, he's doing a fine job of shooting himself in the foot.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #195 on: February 06, 2020, 02:18:37 am »
Well, if the Republicans openly attack Romney, then it looks like something Democrats would do: strictly vote guilt or innocence on Party lines. The GOP is wise not to attack Romney. Hell, give him more ammo, he's doing a fine job of shooting himself in the foot.

I don't see how attacking him would accomplish anything anyway. He'll continue to be a thorn in their side either way. We'll just have to hope Utah voters kick him to the curb in his next primary. If he holds onto the nomination I could see it handing the seat to a dem.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #196 on: February 06, 2020, 02:41:38 am »
I don't see how attacking him would accomplish anything anyway. He'll continue to be a thorn in their side either way. We'll just have to hope Utah voters kick him to the curb in his next primary. If he holds onto the nomination I could see it handing the seat to a dem.

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I agree. Ignore him. There is nothing you can do to get the Mormons to quit supporting him,so it's a waste of time. Focus on replacing people you can replace.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #197 on: February 06, 2020, 02:59:36 am »
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I agree. Ignore him. There is nothing you can do to get the Mormons to quit supporting him,so it's a waste of time. Focus on replacing people you can replace.

Well one thing.  Romney has earned the right to have  the worst of assignments the GOP has to offer.  Hope Turtle makes him Chairmman of the Bovine Excrement Dispostion Committee.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #198 on: February 06, 2020, 03:21:31 am »
Well one thing.  Romney has earned the right to have  the worst of assignments the GOP has to offer.  Hope Turtle makes him Chairmman of the Bovine Excrement Dispostion Committee.

I don't know what Committees the Freshman is on, but he should be relegated to some backwaters for sure.  Nothing he can muck up like with that ridiculous legal/moral argument he made on the Floor today.
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Re: Live Thread: Impeachment Acquital
« Reply #199 on: February 06, 2020, 03:31:53 am »
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The Burisma case in Ukraine had nothing to do with Joe Biden or his son, Hunter.  The case was about Burisma Group President Mykola Zlochevskyi.   Consider the rest in "quotes":

“January 19, 2017, Kyiv – Allegations that Ukraine’s General Prosecutor’s Office abuses its power and has helped an alleged criminal keep stolen assets show much more must be done to clean up this important institution if the country is to effectively combat systemic corruption and put an end to an ugly legacy of theft by public officials and other elites.”

“The National Anti-Сorruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) is investigating whether officials in the prosecutor’s office failed to take actions relating to criminal proceedings against Burisma Group President Mykola Zlochevskyi. The failure to act resulted in a missed opportunity to recover US$23.5 million stolen from Ukraine.”

“Furthermore, despite overwhelming evidence suggesting criminal actions, the Prosecutors Office recently dropped its cases against Zlochevskyi and his company Burisma. The NABU continues to investigate several cases.”

https://ti-ukraine.org/en/news/burisma-group-of-companies-are-still-under-criminal-investigation-in-ukraine-despite-case-against-mykola-zlochevskyi-was-dumped-by-the-general-prosecutor-s-office/

Viktor Mykolayovych Shokin (Ukrainian: Віктор Миколайович Шокін) is a former Prosecutor General of Ukraine. Having previously worked as an investigator for the Prosecutor General Office, he served as Prosecutor General for a year between 2015 and 2016. His appointment was controversial from the outset and he was widely considered to be a key obstacle in the fight against corruption, with accusations that he had blocked cases against allies and influential figures. He was dismissed in March 2016 after pressure from the United States, European Union and international financial institutions, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption campaigners.

In 2012, the Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Pshonka began investigating Ukrainian oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky, owner of the natural gas company Burisma Holdings, over allegations of money laundering, tax evasion, and corruption during 2010–2012.[34][35]

In 2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation. The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts".[22] Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.[34]

While visiting Kiev in December 2015, then-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden warned Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko that, if he did not fire Shokin, the Obama administration was prepared to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees. Biden later said: "I looked at them and said, 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' [...] He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."[36][37] Shokin was dismissed by Parliament in late March 2016.

In a sworn affidavit dated 4 September 2019,[38] for a European court, Shokin testified that "On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the criminal case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company, but I refused to close this investigation."[39] Shokin wrote the affidavit in support of Ukrainian oligarch Dmytro Firtash.[40] John Herbst, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine during the George W. Bush administration, said that Shokin's support of Firtash, who had been arrested for bribery in 2014, undercuts Shokin's claims to be motivated by transparency.[41][42]

Shokin claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings.[30][43][44] However, Vitaly Kasko, who had been Shokin's deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, provided documents to Bloomberg News indicating that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.[45][46]

The investigation into Burisma only pertained to events happening before Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, joined the board of directors of Burisma Holdings in 2014.[[/b]48] US President Donald Trump's subsequent bid to pressure Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce an investigation of Joe Biden in relation to Burisma led to the December 2019 impeachment of Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin#Failure_to_properly_investigate_Burisma_Holdings


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