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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #75 on: January 18, 2020, 05:39:38 pm »
WHAT so-called "conservatives" that are running for office? Name names.


@sneakypete

Don't care. Where I find em, I vote for em. More important to the question: What happens when you endorse non-conservatives, thinking Republican is better than Democrat? You get a liberal Republican party, bent on globalism. You get MORE of what you vote *FOR*

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Meanwhile,you are tactically supporting leftists by withholding your support of Trump,the most conservative candidate since Ronald Reagan,and who has already pushed more conservative judges into position than Reagan or any other president.


Yeah... Bullcrap, bullcrap, and more bullcrap.

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In short,all you are doing is having hissy-fits.

Not at all - I am voting for conservatives. Give me something to vote *FOR*.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #76 on: January 18, 2020, 06:06:16 pm »
Then quite literally, all hope is lost. The grown-ups have left the room. All that's left is a food fight.

Well.... as a realist, my best hope was that Trump's election delayed the RL takeover.  And it has.  Just look at the damage Obama's eight years did.  Considering how much ""progress"" they've made towards our national demise, I can read the writing on that wall only too well.   Short of an all out civil war, revolution or rebellion.... I don't see any other way it can end.   That said, there's an awful lot of folks out there that are ready to get that fight over with... sooner rather than later.   And I'm one of them.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #77 on: January 18, 2020, 06:15:02 pm »
Well.... as a realist, my best hope was that Trump's election delayed the RL takeover.  And it has.  Just look at the damage Obama's eight years did.  Considering how much ""progress"" they've made towards our national demise, I can read the writing on that wall only too well.   

Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!

The point of the spear is the Tea Party. But I am not without hope. In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.

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Short of an all out civil war, revolution or rebellion.... I don't see any other way it can end.   That said, there's an awful lot of folks out there that are ready to get that fight over with... sooner rather than later.   And I'm one of them.

Yeah, If it has to be done, we'd best get it over with... It's ours to do then... I am never for kickin the can to our children.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #78 on: January 18, 2020, 06:18:32 pm »
Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!

The point of the spear is the Tea Party. But I am not without hope. In one election, the TEA Party did more for Conservatism than anything since the '94 election. A record turnover of statehouses and governorships, vetting conservatives, and getting them elected from the ground up. ONE election, off-season, did that.

Yeah, If it has to be done, we'd best get it over with... It's ours to do then... I am never for kickin the can to our children.

And if we collectively keep kicking that can to the children, by the time the can gets dealt with, the children will have been so brainwashed that they will probably turn on us (it has happened before in history).

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #79 on: January 18, 2020, 06:25:56 pm »
And if we collectively keep kicking that can to the children, by the time the can gets dealt with, the children will have been so brainwashed that they will probably turn on us (it has happened before in history).

That's right. All the more reason to enforce and reinforce Conservatism. Put the grown-ups back in the room. Without men of good character, returning power to the states, and insistence on balanced budgets, at the very least, all is truly lost.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2020, 06:31:57 pm »
That's right. All the more reason to enforce and reinforce Conservatism. Put the grown-ups back in the room. Without men of good character, returning power to the states, and insistence on balanced budgets, at the very least, all is truly lost.

Sigh.   You keep saying "put the Conservatives back".... but how the hell do we do that...

if/when Conservatives aren't running for office?   Lotsa pretenda Conservatives and squishy moderates, though.   So....which Conservatives would you recommend for putting "back in the room"?  I'm serious.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #81 on: January 18, 2020, 06:34:11 pm »
Nah, Tumpy is a waste of time. Feckless and unaccountable. a vapid man shouting at the sea. EOs go POOF!

If you don't like EOs ... I suggest you get off your horse and start fighting to change Congress.

Otherwise you're just a man shouting at the mirror.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #82 on: January 18, 2020, 06:49:09 pm »
Sigh.   You keep saying "put the Conservatives back".... but how the hell do we do that...

if/when Conservatives aren't running for office?   Lotsa pretenda Conservatives and squishy moderates, though.   So....which Conservatives would you recommend for putting "back in the room"?  I'm serious.

Demand Conservatism. Endorse Conservatism. That's your vote. Vote FOR what you want. If it ain't what you want, don't vote for it. Pragmatism is EXACTLY what has given us this scurrilous party, overflowing with moderates, bent on globalism.

And it is the exact opposite of what the Democrats do. Democrats work hard for their base. Can that be said of Republicans, ever? No. Republicans shove it down our throats and tell us to be thankful for what we DO get.

Meanwhile, the battle is now between Communism on the left and Globalism on the right...
Keep fear-voting the Globalists into power on the right and nothing will change... Indeed, it will only get worse. Because for all intents and purposes, Conservatism is off the table, and you are left with two tyrants to choose from. The only logical action is to choose neither. Do not endorse globalism, or you will get more of it, guaranteed.

As for what I will vote *FOR* - I vet candidates according to their record, not their promises, like Conservatives have always done. Any dumbass can make promises on the stump, and tell you just what you want to hear. But someone who's history shows he has walked the walk, while still not a guarantee, certainly seems to be a pretty sure bet.

As to the *who* exactly? Dunno yet. It is way too early to even look at it.  But I will likely be voting Constitution Party again.




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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #83 on: January 18, 2020, 06:58:32 pm »
If you don't like EOs ... I suggest you get off your horse and start fighting to change Congress.

Otherwise you're just a man shouting at the mirror.

HAPPILY. Throw all the bastards out, including the one at the top...
When y'all get there, we'll be on the same page.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #84 on: January 18, 2020, 07:33:34 pm »
@Axeslinger if VA were my state I would probably be thinking exactly as you are.  If you didn't see this yet, some good thoughts from Matt Bracken (Travis McGee):

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/

Worth a read before Monday.

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I think Matt clearly sums up the very real risks, both media image and physical, of a huge meeting in Virginia.
Even if everyone on the side of the Second showed unarmed, someone would create a problem.

What if the plan was changed to have sympathetic rallies at every county government location as well? Even rallies in support of the Sanctuary status and those who enacted such resolutions?

What that would do: While not as awe inspiring as a huge turnout in Richmond, it would be local, in that every local government would be witness to opposition to the proposed legislation, as they already have been, only not limited by meeting room capacity. Interviewees could state they decided to rally locally to cut down on traffic and congestion in the capital on a holiday.

It also would mean that disruptive elements no longer had a single rally to focus on, and would have to split their forces to disrupt multiple locations, but not be able to cover them all. Only where those people showed would there be problems, indicating just what the problem was, and who was the bad actor creating it. That would likely have to be spread through social media and internet because it is likely only locations where problems broke out would hit the TV news.

While everyone is in a rush to express their outrage at egregious proposed violations of the Second Amendment, what would happen if a relative handful of people showed with signs saying "I represent a thousand people who will defend their Second Amendment Rights" and "See you in court"

It is likely those people could be interviewed, and they could say the plan changed to prevent congestion, confusion, and possible mayhem from others. Otherwise, traffic snarls, closed streets, every inconvenience necessary to manage a large crowd will, of course, be blamed on the protestors, and any violence will be laid at the feet of those who show up, too.
Potential clashes with other groups could be avoided as well, and charges of racism (Martin Luther King Jr. Day, remember) could be thwarted with some credit given to one who preached nonviolent protest.

Unfortunately, the very high profile media whore groups from the fringe who favor starting the dystopia they crave will likely outnumber genuine Second Amendment supporters of a more mainstream nature, and will get the lens time they crave, but that will happen regardless. The difference is that it would happen without the backdrop of more ordinary middle class patriots to be used by the media to prove that not only are these people dangerous fringe elements, but there are thousands of them.

When the protest against removing historical statues was over in Charlottesville, the story wasn't about statues at all, but fighting in the streets and someone getting run over by a cornered driver in a panic.
That must be denied the media and the Left.

These are just thoughts to getting free of the tarbaby this protest could rapidly become, as Matt outlined, and as I have been speculating with less tactical detail. If shooting starts, anyone who has a weapon will be a target for LEO snipers. They won't take time to see who started it, or who the good guys or bad guys are, to them everyone involved will be a bad guy, and anyone who displays the means to injure others will be fair game as a target.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2020, 07:40:20 pm »
Bracken nailed it there.   I noted, especially, this part....

As always with the radical left, expect an ambush and a setup.   It's how they roll.
Exactly. Now, how to thwart that?
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #86 on: January 18, 2020, 08:19:59 pm »
Exactly. Now, how to thwart that?

Don't show up?   "Hey, Gov.... we changed our mind.  Have a nice day.   happy77"
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #87 on: January 18, 2020, 08:35:39 pm »
I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.

Ok....okay...not "predict", but rather hope and pray.   :pop41:
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #88 on: January 18, 2020, 08:36:35 pm »
HAPPILY. Throw all the bastards out, including the one at the top...

You are unserious and just looking for attention.  You've received mine for the last time. 

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« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2020, 08:41:50 pm »
You are unserious and just looking for attention. 

I am entirely serious, and if I was looking for attention, I would join with the Tumpsters.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2020, 08:47:34 pm »
I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.

Hollywood Cemetary would be a good location for a 2nd Amendment rally.  More than one former US Presidents are buried there.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2020, 09:07:02 pm »
Realistically, the political winds are drifting away from Conservatism.   So yeah, expecting a bona fide "Conservative" candidate for president is a friggin pipe dream, at this point in our collective national demise.
The political winds are from windbags in Media, the purveyors of ignorance in schools and universities, and the architects and laborers of the ever so gradual loss of Liberty.

Watch "Die Hard" for a half dozen things in the first five minutes of the movie you can't do any more. You may find more.

It hasn't been that long.

You see, when those who take liberty take it from the masses, they've already been nibbling at the edges for some time. They don't go right down the center of the bell curve, they grind away at the ends, each time making those who want a little more or a little less than the statistical average to be "extremists", a viewpoint each successive generation has been subjected to while the frontiers of liberty are chewed away in the name of "safety", "Public safety", "for your own good" and even because it smells bad.

Well, this is what has been done with Liberty and our God Given Rights, and the more muddled the discussion can be made by those who are infringing those Rights, the more the philosophies of those 'dead white men' whose philosophy freed the slaves can be marginalized as coming from outmoded, gentry/gender/race/economic/philosophical roots which no longer apply, then the more truth can be stood upon its head and lies presented as the new gospel.

Marx forbid that the philosophies, the users manual for a human life, found in the Old and New Testaments be presented as the guide to safer, saner, happier and simpler living they are, a basis to build community upon.

Instead those are twisted to be the evil writings of those who would stop the libertine practices of "If it feels good, do it", without regard for the destruction to self, family, community, and nations that philosophy so often entails--a philosophy which especially appeals to the young. The philosophy of 'devil take the hindmost' ignores that there is always a new hindmost, eventually at the front of the pack.

In opposition to that, the essence of Conservatism is that people are treated fairly, that people have the same rights, to be freely practiced unless and until they conflict with the rights of others. We are, in that sense, all equal. That Government ought be empowered from the people upward, not edicts from a 'ruling' class levied on the masses (a 'class' which should, by rights, not even exist), and that government should be as local as possible.

For that purpose we adopted a Constitution, to lay out the functions and duties of Government, but even more, to limit its power, to retain that which should be local to the States, and to the People, themselves. Within those States, we adopted Constitutions to further lay out the duties and responsibilities of those govenments, and to safeguard the Rights of the People.

Urbanized masses who never realize there is another world beyond the city limits, who have abdicated the responsibilities of more rural people for the conveniences of urban life, seldom understand that they live a world apart from the vast areas of America where people have to have the Liberty to provide for themselves and their families, a world as alien to them as the urbocentric paradigms presented in mass media and even the portrayals of rural life broadcast thereby are to those of us who live in the vast depths of flyover country.

But before you can lead lions to the slaughter like sheep, you must first convince them they are sheep, and then the  sheep can be herded, both by the sounds of their masters and the fences of legislation.

The thought that led to this Constitutional Republic evolved over thousands of years, once lost (because the contenders of Marxism and Islam tend to eradicate any memory or reference to anything else), it will be a long time before it resurfaces, if ever.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #92 on: January 18, 2020, 09:32:38 pm »
I predict a shit-ton of armed people are going to congregate just outside the sanctioned 'gun-free' zone.

Ok....okay...not "predict", but rather hope and pray.   :pop41:

Praying for potential bloodshed?  Gotcha.....
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #94 on: January 18, 2020, 09:36:07 pm »
The political winds are from windbags in Media, the purveyors of ignorance in schools and universities, and the architects and laborers of the ever so gradual loss of Liberty.

Watch "Die Hard" for a half dozen things in the first five minutes of the movie you can't do any more. You may find more.

It hasn't been that long.

You see, when those who take liberty take it from the masses, they've already been nibbling at the edges for some time. They don't go right down the center of the bell curve, they grind away at the ends, each time making those who want a little more or a little less than the statistical average to be "extremists", a viewpoint each successive generation has been subjected to while the frontiers of liberty are chewed away in the name of "safety", "Public safety", "for your own good" and even because it smells bad.

Well, this is what has been done with Liberty and our God Given Rights, and the more muddled the discussion can be made by those who are infringing those Rights, the more the philosophies of those 'dead white men' whose philosophy freed the slaves can be marginalized as coming from outmoded, gentry/gender/race/economic/philosophical roots which no longer apply, then the more truth can be stood upon its head and lies presented as the new gospel.

Marx forbid that the philosophies, the users manual for a human life, found in the Old and New Testaments be presented as the guide to safer, saner, happier and simpler living they are, a basis to build community upon.

Instead those are twisted to be the evil writings of those who would stop the libertine practices of "If it feels good, do it", without regard for the destruction to self, family, community, and nations that philosophy so often entails--a philosophy which especially appeals to the young. The philosophy of 'devil take the hindmost' ignores that there is always a new hindmost, eventually at the front of the pack.

In opposition to that, the essence of Conservatism is that people are treated fairly, that people have the same rights, to be freely practiced unless and until they conflict with the rights of others. We are, in that sense, all equal. That Government ought be empowered from the people upward, not edicts from a 'ruling' class levied on the masses (a 'class' which should, by rights, not even exist), and that government should be as local as possible.

For that purpose we adopted a Constitution, to lay out the functions and duties of Government, but even more, to limit its power, to retain that which should be local to the States, and to the People, themselves. Within those States, we adopted Constitutions to further lay out the duties and responsibilities of those govenments, and to safeguard the Rights of the People.

Urbanized masses who never realize there is another world beyond the city limits, who have abdicated the responsibilities of more rural people for the conveniences of urban life, seldom understand that they live a world apart from the vast areas of America where people have to have the Liberty to provide for themselves and their families, a world as alien to them as the urbocentric paradigms presented in mass media and even the portrayals of rural life broadcast thereby are to those of us who live in the vast depths of flyover country.

But before you can lead lions to the slaughter like sheep, you must first convince them they are sheep, and then the  sheep can be herded, both by the sounds of their masters and the fences of legislation.

The thought that led to this Constitutional Republic evolved over thousands of years, once lost (because the contenders of Marxism and Islam tend to eradicate any memory or reference to anything else), it will be a long time before it resurfaces, if ever.

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #95 on: January 18, 2020, 10:07:29 pm »
Praying for potential bloodshed?  Gotcha.....

Not going to happen.   But, Antifa had better behave itself.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2020, 10:10:32 pm »
I think the time is right for a Trump 2020 rally in Richmond. 

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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2020, 10:11:35 pm »
Not going to happen.   But, Antifa had better behave itself.

Sure hope so.  As much as I despise Antifa, providing them a martyr would just play into their hands.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2020, 10:28:01 pm »
Sure hope so.  As much as I despise Antifa, providing them a martyr would just play into their hands.

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The typical ANTIFA supporter is someone that thinks the world owes them a living for breathing,and they live off of welare and/or various scams or family money. They see these protests as "Partee time,yall!" and a chance to riot and rob at will.

The typical ANTIFA "retard herder" on the other hand is the spawn of trust fund children who see themselves as the communist masters of a "new and fair world with peace and justice for everyone as long as they follow orders." The herd doesn't fear being arrested because to them it's "just another sattidy nite",and the wealthy don't worry about being arrested because they have a politically-connected law firm waiting in the background.

What they both share is a desire for revolution. The herd wants it for the excitement and the change they have been promised that will come,and the herders like it because it will make them the Masters of All  They View.
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Re: Is Governor Northam trying to start a second civil war?
« Reply #99 on: January 18, 2020, 11:18:49 pm »
Now, the black-faced guv'nor he was very bored
Trying to whip up the Virginia war
He found a promoter who nearly fell off the floor
He said, "I never engaged in this kind of thing before...
But yes, I think it can be very easily done;
We'll just put some bleachers out in the sun
And we'll have it out on V.A. 61"


(apologies to Mr. Dylan...)