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« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2019, 06:19:58 pm »
But if it was a domestic dispute, why take out all the others?

Of course, we're talking about someone who is irrational, so why would I expect a rational motive?

Possibly because once he realized he’d killed her and her friend, he decided there was no way back and he would go on a rampage before he was taken. 

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« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2019, 06:50:10 pm »

How can he be the shooter if he is handcuffed
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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio (with updates)
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2019, 06:53:02 pm »
Hmmmm.....

This guy killed his own sister, for some reason. Was that intentional?
Six of the nine dead are black.
Could his sister have been dating black guys?
And could this have become a source of acrimony between he and her?

Unless he left some written or digital reason behind, we might never really know on this one.

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The Texas/Walmart shooter is alive.
I'm wondering how he will explain himself later, in court...

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« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2019, 06:57:01 pm »
I did not see the Dayton shooter wearing ear protection but it has been commented that both of the shooters yesterday were wearing such.  That would be odd if so.

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« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2019, 07:08:21 pm »
How can he be the shooter if he is handcuffed

I believe that is the photo of the shooter since he's wearing the shirt described in the press. There is a question whether it is standard procedure to handcuff if he's dead. I was hoping someone from LE could answer.
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« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2019, 07:10:35 pm »

Aside:
The Texas/Walmart shooter is alive.
I'm wondering how he will explain himself later, in court...
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« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2019, 07:22:17 pm »
Chris Baker, who just resigned this summer after 14 years as Bellbrook High School principal, was asked about Betts’ time as a Bellbrook student.
Asked about reports that, while a Bellbrook student, Betts was suspended for causing a lockdown by writing a “hit-list” on a bathroom wall, Baker said, “I would not dispute that information, but I don’t want to get involved any more than just making that comment.”
A woman who went to high school with Betts recalled the hit-list.

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« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2019, 07:28:32 pm »
I was saying yesterday as we were watching the news from El Paso, that somewhere another troubled millenial is planning the next mass shooting.  And I am going to repeat it now.
We have a huge mental health problem and a Godless unchurched generation with the smallest percentage in that age bracket attending church ever. There desire to be known for something, anything, is greater than their fear in the ultimate judgement.
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« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2019, 08:56:47 pm »
I was saying yesterday as we were watching the news from El Paso, that somewhere another troubled millenial is planning the next mass shooting.  And I am going to repeat it now.
We have a huge mental health problem and a Godless unchurched generation with the smallest percentage in that age bracket attending church ever. There desire to be known for something, anything, is greater than their fear in the ultimate judgement.

QFT, well said, good post.

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« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2019, 08:57:54 pm »
Unknown Hero Knocked the Gun Out of Dayton Shooter's Hands

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On Facebook, locals who knew the shooter shared threats of violence he had made, particularly against some. "Connor seriously threatened to hurt women who rejected him, myself included," one woman shared. "Channel 7 says they are avoiding saying his name, but I think we need to all talk about how [the shooter] has been openly talking about doing this for a decade and no one could do anything about it. Luke and I went to Bellbrook with him. He got kicked out because they found a notebook of his where he was planning violence, primarily towards women."

It seems many more people — women, in particular — would have died had the unknown hero not taken the gun from the shooter's hands and had police not put him down.

A possible motive? The guy was a loser with women? Shades of Gilroy?

I hope the guy who grabbed away his gun is found and alive.
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« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2019, 08:59:35 pm »
I was saying yesterday as we were watching the news from El Paso, that somewhere another troubled millenial is planning the next mass shooting.  And I am going to repeat it now.
We have a huge mental health problem and a Godless unchurched generation with the smallest percentage in that age bracket attending church ever. There desire to be known for something, anything, is greater than their fear in the ultimate judgement.

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« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2019, 09:31:10 pm »
I was saying yesterday as we were watching the news from El Paso, that somewhere another troubled millenial is planning the next mass shooting.  And I am going to repeat it now.
We have a huge mental health problem and a Godless unchurched generation with the smallest percentage in that age bracket attending church ever. There desire to be known for something, anything, is greater than their fear in the ultimate judgement.

You're right.  And I might also add  there is a lot of bad parenting or no parenting going on too. 

These punks may have come from "good homes," but I'll bet there was something wrong inside those good homes.  The El Paso shooter was supposedly a slacker, do nothing.  I know when I was growing up, my parents would not have tolerated me sitting on my duff 24/7.  After a certain age, if I wasn't in college, I had better be working. 

We didn't have computers or internet in my youth, but my folks kept tabs on my comings and goings, who I was associated with and what I was reading.  If there was something "off" about me, they would have noticed and they would have taken action.  I get the feeling both of these shooters had serious problems that should have been noticed.  Surely, they left some clues as to what they were thinking and what they were planning to do just by their behavior.   It just gets me that family members and others didn't notice something was wrong, or if they did notice, they did nothing.  To many parents and families have abdicated their responsibilities toward the younger generation.  They want the government, particularly the schools, to raise their kids.  Look at how well the government has done with these kids.

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« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2019, 09:37:19 pm »
Supposedly this is the Dayton shooter's Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamthespookster

Buried among the numerous Tweets:

https://twitter.com/iamthespookster/status/828361374929649664/photo/1

Lots of whack in there....

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« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2019, 09:54:20 pm »
Supposedly this is the Dayton shooter's Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamthespookster

Buried among the numerous Tweets:

https://twitter.com/iamthespookster/status/828361374929649664/photo/1

Lots of whack in there....

A few years ago, he supposedly had a hit list of who he'd kill when he shot up his HS.
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« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2019, 10:01:40 pm »
I was saying yesterday as we were watching the news from El Paso, that somewhere another troubled millenial is planning the next mass shooting.  And I am going to repeat it now.
We have a huge mental health problem and a Godless unchurched generation with the smallest percentage in that age bracket attending church ever. There desire to be known for something, anything, is greater than their fear in the ultimate judgement.
I agree. Just saw an interesting tweet along those lines:
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« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2019, 10:07:54 pm »
@NavyCanDo nailed it up thread but left out one very important element IMHO.

NONE of them know what it means to sweat as in WORK!
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« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2019, 10:18:54 pm »
Connor Betts, the Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”
Betts’ Twitter profile read, “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.

On Nov. 2, 2018, he wrote: “Vote blue for gods sake.”

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« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2019, 10:24:51 pm »
Please don't tell me you subscribe to the assorted conspiracy theories out there -- that the latest shootings are a false flag operation...or that this is part of a coordinated effort to unseat Trump... or to confiscate guns...or...?

I do think there is a pattern or some common traits among the shooters as I described previously.  And those traits may be exploited by certain hate websites and other such media.
I am only making an observation.
First off, there is a coordinated effort to disarm the American People, and it has been ongoing since the NFA of 1934 was passed. That much should be evident. We have not acquired any more Rights, nor any less infringements to the RKBA by legislation since, but the Right has been successively and incrementally infringed. The only infringement at the Federal Level to have been rescinded was done by a sunset clause in the law itself, not any action taken (the Clinton Era "Assault Weapons" Ban).
Notable Democrats have been so brazen as to voice their opposition to gun ownership, advocate confiscation, and to incrementally damage the ability to exercise the RKBA since the 60s. That much is not just evident, they use it from the campaign stump, and have made such comments on the record.
This stuff is an ongoing assault on a Right. Frankly, Trump is irrelevant (except that he has caved on the RKBA, even just a little in the ban on bump stocks). He's just another player on that stage, but the show has been ongoing for decades.
 
Whether that effort would resort to false flag operations, I do not pretend to know.

It is also a matter of record that Federal Agencies have gone so far as to show people how to mix explosives (WTC bombing in '93), and frequently solicit the illegal actions of all sorts, from NeoNazis to Jihadis, trolling for people to reel in. That some of that might slip the reins there and actually happen, well, think about that. Keep "Fast and Furious" and other operations, including the one to round up Abdul Rachman which resulted in a bombing, and I think we know that answer, too. Have faith that the culture of CYA will distance players from any failed operation where the target actually succeeded in performing their act of mayhem. Such is bureaucracy, and no one wants to lose their jobs. It took a whistleblower in the BATFE to expose Fast and Furious, and likely we never would have heard about it otherwise, just the surge in statistics showing more guns from the US used in Cartel crime (also to limit the RKBA, ultimately, here in the USA).

Another being that whenever these whackos cut loose, it is the law abiding gun owner who ends up getting gigged, and the NRA gets the blame (Utter nonsense--in a half century of reading The American Rifleman, not once have I seen anything advocating going somewhere and shooting up a crowd of people). A law abiding gun owner needs a seriously compelling reason to shoot anyone, even in defense of self or family.
 
Now, if that had only happened once, knowing the heartfelt desires of half or more of the Congress to eliminate the RKBA, I might view these events differently. But the Dems will be there, hat in hand, before the blood dries, demanding to demand they inflict more infringements on my (our) civil rights in another impotent attempt to "do something", which will only result in the loss of our Rights, or serve to make these incidents worse.
The (MSM) optics almost always omit the fact that those who might be best situated to do something about the situation before it developed into wholesale slaughter are constrained by the very laws they abide by, to NOT carry in these establishments where these incidents occur. These laws were often passed at the behest of the same people who have evinced a desire to take away our guns. That legislative hobbling also virtually guarantees a higher body count, which, in turn, makes even more fodder for those who would further restrict the RKBA.

I agree there is a common pattern in the shooters. Often mentally questionable or downright imbalanced, somewhat delusional about the grandeur they will achieve, often (were any not?) on psychotropic medication, or having just quit it, which can be even worse. They travel to places they do not live to slaughter people, as a rule, (but not always). They are often described as long term social outcasts, but who would want to hang with someone who is not only batsh*t crazy, but evincing violent tendencies, too?
 
Now that description also fits anyone who is ripe for recruitment into most any violent scheme from Jihad to some sort of save the planet whackoism, to the Manson Family (although I think the application period has expired on that one), and beyond, which naturally begs the question of whether or not they have been recruited for, or encouraged to, commit their particular mayhem.

That could only be determined by the careful examination of any communications and associations they may have had, personal and virtual, and if the people (like the FBI) doing the examining want to turn a blind eye and reinforce the concept of random slaughter (always more intimidating than someone who kills for a reason), they can milk that over there on the Left side of the Aisle to gain public support for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right--which, incidentally, is their stated goal.

I must state that considering that elements of the FBI were involved in the destruction of evidence in the instance of Hillary's communications, painting a well coached whacko as a random nutcase would be child's play.
Cui bono?
It's an election year coming up, and having crazies running around shooting places up only benefits one side in all this.

So, before you go slinging any labels about conspiracies, please just take a look at what is happening. 
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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio ("Suspect arrested")
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2019, 10:32:30 pm »
I am only making an observation.
First off, there is a coordinated effort to disarm the American People, and it has been ongoing since the NFA of 1934 was passed. That much should be evident. We have not acquired any more Rights, nor any less infringements to the RKBA by legislation since, but the Right has been successively and incrementally infringed. The only infringement at the Federal Level to have been rescinded was done by a sunset clause in the law itself, not any action taken (the Clinton Era "Assault Weapons" Ban).
Notable Democrats have been so brazen as to voice their opposition to gun ownership, advocate confiscation, and to incrementally damage the ability to exercise the RKBA since the 60s. That much is not just evident, they use it from the campaign stump, and have made such comments on the record.
This stuff is an ongoing assault on a Right. Frankly, Trump is irrelevant (except that he has caved on the RKBA, even just a little in the ban on bump stocks). He's just another player on that stage, but the show has been ongoing for decades.
 
Whether that effort would resort to false flag operations, I do not pretend to know.

It is also a matter of record that Federal Agencies have gone so far as to show people how to mix explosives (WTC bombing in '93), and frequently solicit the illegal actions of all sorts, from NeoNazis to Jihadis, trolling for people to reel in. That some of that might slip the reins there and actually happen, well, think about that. Keep "Fast and Furious" and other operations, including the one to round up Abdul Rachman which resulted in a bombing, and I think we know that answer, too. Have faith that the culture of CYA will distance players from any failed operation where the target actually succeeded in performing their act of mayhem. Such is bureaucracy, and no one wants to lose their jobs. It took a whistleblower in the BATFE to expose Fast and Furious, and likely we never would have heard about it otherwise, just the surge in statistics showing more guns from the US used in Cartel crime (also to limit the RKBA, ultimately, here in the USA).

Another being that whenever these whackos cut loose, it is the law abiding gun owner who ends up getting gigged, and the NRA gets the blame (Utter nonsense--in a half century of reading The American Rifleman, not once have I seen anything advocating going somewhere and shooting up a crowd of people). A law abiding gun owner needs a seriously compelling reason to shoot anyone, even in defense of self or family.
 
Now, if that had only happened once, knowing the heartfelt desires of half or more of the Congress to eliminate the RKBA, I might view these events differently. But the Dems will be there, hat in hand, before the blood dries, demanding to demand they inflict more infringements on my (our) civil rights in another impotent attempt to "do something", which will only result in the loss of our Rights, or serve to make these incidents worse.
The (MSM) optics almost always omit the fact that those who might be best situated to do something about the situation before it developed into wholesale slaughter are constrained by the very laws they abide by, to NOT carry in these establishments where these incidents occur. These laws were often passed at the behest of the same people who have evinced a desire to take away our guns. That legislative hobbling also virtually guarantees a higher body count, which, in turn, makes even more fodder for those who would further restrict the RKBA.

I agree there is a common pattern in the shooters. Often mentally questionable or downright imbalanced, somewhat delusional about the grandeur they will achieve, often (were any not?) on psychotropic medication, or having just quit it, which can be even worse. They travel to places they do not live to slaughter people, as a rule, (but not always). They are often described as long term social outcasts, but who would want to hang with someone who is not only batsh*t crazy, but evincing violent tendencies, too?
 
Now that description also fits anyone who is ripe for recruitment into most any violent scheme from Jihad to some sort of save the planet whackoism, to the Manson Family (although I think the application period has expired on that one), and beyond, which naturally begs the question of whether or not they have been recruited for, or encouraged to, commit their particular mayhem.

That could only be determined by the careful examination of any communications and associations they may have had, personal and virtual, and if the people (like the FBI) doing the examining want to turn a blind eye and reinforce the concept of random slaughter (always more intimidating than someone who kills for a reason), they can milk that over there on the Left side of the Aisle to gain public support for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right--which, incidentally, is their stated goal.

I must state that considering that elements of the FBI were involved in the destruction of evidence in the instance of Hillary's communications, painting a well coached whacko as a random nutcase would be child's play.
Cui bono?
It's an election year coming up, and having crazies running around shooting places up only benefits one side in all this.

So, before you go slinging any labels about conspiracies, please just take a look at what is happening.

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« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2019, 10:32:43 pm »
I am only making an observation.
First off, there is a coordinated effort to disarm the American People, and it has been ongoing since the NFA of 1934 was passed. That much should be evident. We have not acquired any more Rights, nor any less infringements to the RKBA by legislation since, but the Right has been successively and incrementally infringed. The only infringement at the Federal Level to have been rescinded was done by a sunset clause in the law itself, not any action taken (the Clinton Era "Assault Weapons" Ban).
Notable Democrats have been so brazen as to voice their opposition to gun ownership, advocate confiscation, and to incrementally damage the ability to exercise the RKBA since the 60s. That much is not just evident, they use it from the campaign stump, and have made such comments on the record.
This stuff is an ongoing assault on a Right. Frankly, Trump is irrelevant (except that he has caved on the RKBA, even just a little in the ban on bump stocks). He's just another player on that stage, but the show has been ongoing for decades.
 
Whether that effort would resort to false flag operations, I do not pretend to know.

It is also a matter of record that Federal Agencies have gone so far as to show people how to mix explosives (WTC bombing in '93), and frequently solicit the illegal actions of all sorts, from NeoNazis to Jihadis, trolling for people to reel in. That some of that might slip the reins there and actually happen, well, think about that. Keep "Fast and Furious" and other operations, including the one to round up Abdul Rachman which resulted in a bombing, and I think we know that answer, too. Have faith that the culture of CYA will distance players from any failed operation where the target actually succeeded in performing their act of mayhem. Such is bureaucracy, and no one wants to lose their jobs. It took a whistleblower in the BATFE to expose Fast and Furious, and likely we never would have heard about it otherwise, just the surge in statistics showing more guns from the US used in Cartel crime (also to limit the RKBA, ultimately, here in the USA).

Another being that whenever these whackos cut loose, it is the law abiding gun owner who ends up getting gigged, and the NRA gets the blame (Utter nonsense--in a half century of reading The American Rifleman, not once have I seen anything advocating going somewhere and shooting up a crowd of people). A law abiding gun owner needs a seriously compelling reason to shoot anyone, even in defense of self or family.
 
Now, if that had only happened once, knowing the heartfelt desires of half or more of the Congress to eliminate the RKBA, I might view these events differently. But the Dems will be there, hat in hand, before the blood dries, demanding to demand they inflict more infringements on my (our) civil rights in another impotent attempt to "do something", which will only result in the loss of our Rights, or serve to make these incidents worse.
The (MSM) optics almost always omit the fact that those who might be best situated to do something about the situation before it developed into wholesale slaughter are constrained by the very laws they abide by, to NOT carry in these establishments where these incidents occur. These laws were often passed at the behest of the same people who have evinced a desire to take away our guns. That legislative hobbling also virtually guarantees a higher body count, which, in turn, makes even more fodder for those who would further restrict the RKBA.

I agree there is a common pattern in the shooters. Often mentally questionable or downright imbalanced, somewhat delusional about the grandeur they will achieve, often (were any not?) on psychotropic medication, or having just quit it, which can be even worse. They travel to places they do not live to slaughter people, as a rule, (but not always). They are often described as long term social outcasts, but who would want to hang with someone who is not only batsh*t crazy, but evincing violent tendencies, too?
 
Now that description also fits anyone who is ripe for recruitment into most any violent scheme from Jihad to some sort of save the planet whackoism, to the Manson Family (although I think the application period has expired on that one), and beyond, which naturally begs the question of whether or not they have been recruited for, or encouraged to, commit their particular mayhem.

That could only be determined by the careful examination of any communications and associations they may have had, personal and virtual, and if the people (like the FBI) doing the examining want to turn a blind eye and reinforce the concept of random slaughter (always more intimidating than someone who kills for a reason), they can milk that over there on the Left side of the Aisle to gain public support for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right--which, incidentally, is their stated goal.

I must state that considering that elements of the FBI were involved in the destruction of evidence in the instance of Hillary's communications, painting a well coached whacko as a random nutcase would be child's play.
Cui bono?
It's an election year coming up, and having crazies running around shooting places up only benefits one side in all this.

So, before you go slinging any labels about conspiracies, please just take a look at what is happening.

Well done! 888high58888

I would add the FBI coverup of the Las Vegas shooting to illustrate why the FBI can't be trusted.
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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio (with updates)
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2019, 10:43:52 pm »
Connor Betts, the Dayton, Ohio mass shooter, was a self-described “leftist,” who wrote that he would happily vote for Democrat Elizabeth Warren, praised Satan, was upset about the 2016 presidential election results, and added, “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”
Betts’ Twitter profile read, “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / i’m going to hell and i’m not coming back.

On Nov. 2, 2018, he wrote: “Vote blue for gods sake.”

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

Yes, apparently Democrat, more here:   https://bigleaguepolitics.com/breaking-ohio-mass-shooter-is-registered-democrat-voted-in-2-dem-primaries/

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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio ("Suspect arrested")
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2019, 10:47:25 pm »
I am only making an observation.
First off, there is a coordinated effort to disarm the American People, and it has been ongoing since the NFA of 1934 was passed. That much should be evident. We have not acquired any more Rights, nor any less infringements to the RKBA by legislation since, but the Right has been successively and incrementally infringed. The only infringement at the Federal Level to have been rescinded was done by a sunset clause in the law itself, not any action taken (the Clinton Era "Assault Weapons" Ban).
Notable Democrats have been so brazen as to voice their opposition to gun ownership, advocate confiscation, and to incrementally damage the ability to exercise the RKBA since the 60s. That much is not just evident, they use it from the campaign stump, and have made such comments on the record.
This stuff is an ongoing assault on a Right. Frankly, Trump is irrelevant (except that he has caved on the RKBA, even just a little in the ban on bump stocks). He's just another player on that stage, but the show has been ongoing for decades.
 
Whether that effort would resort to false flag operations, I do not pretend to know.

It is also a matter of record that Federal Agencies have gone so far as to show people how to mix explosives (WTC bombing in '93), and frequently solicit the illegal actions of all sorts, from NeoNazis to Jihadis, trolling for people to reel in. That some of that might slip the reins there and actually happen, well, think about that. Keep "Fast and Furious" and other operations, including the one to round up Abdul Rachman which resulted in a bombing, and I think we know that answer, too. Have faith that the culture of CYA will distance players from any failed operation where the target actually succeeded in performing their act of mayhem. Such is bureaucracy, and no one wants to lose their jobs. It took a whistleblower in the BATFE to expose Fast and Furious, and likely we never would have heard about it otherwise, just the surge in statistics showing more guns from the US used in Cartel crime (also to limit the RKBA, ultimately, here in the USA).

Another being that whenever these whackos cut loose, it is the law abiding gun owner who ends up getting gigged, and the NRA gets the blame (Utter nonsense--in a half century of reading The American Rifleman, not once have I seen anything advocating going somewhere and shooting up a crowd of people). A law abiding gun owner needs a seriously compelling reason to shoot anyone, even in defense of self or family.
 
Now, if that had only happened once, knowing the heartfelt desires of half or more of the Congress to eliminate the RKBA, I might view these events differently. But the Dems will be there, hat in hand, before the blood dries, demanding to demand they inflict more infringements on my (our) civil rights in another impotent attempt to "do something", which will only result in the loss of our Rights, or serve to make these incidents worse.
The (MSM) optics almost always omit the fact that those who might be best situated to do something about the situation before it developed into wholesale slaughter are constrained by the very laws they abide by, to NOT carry in these establishments where these incidents occur. These laws were often passed at the behest of the same people who have evinced a desire to take away our guns. That legislative hobbling also virtually guarantees a higher body count, which, in turn, makes even more fodder for those who would further restrict the RKBA.

I agree there is a common pattern in the shooters. Often mentally questionable or downright imbalanced, somewhat delusional about the grandeur they will achieve, often (were any not?) on psychotropic medication, or having just quit it, which can be even worse. They travel to places they do not live to slaughter people, as a rule, (but not always). They are often described as long term social outcasts, but who would want to hang with someone who is not only batsh*t crazy, but evincing violent tendencies, too?
 
Now that description also fits anyone who is ripe for recruitment into most any violent scheme from Jihad to some sort of save the planet whackoism, to the Manson Family (although I think the application period has expired on that one), and beyond, which naturally begs the question of whether or not they have been recruited for, or encouraged to, commit their particular mayhem.

That could only be determined by the careful examination of any communications and associations they may have had, personal and virtual, and if the people (like the FBI) doing the examining want to turn a blind eye and reinforce the concept of random slaughter (always more intimidating than someone who kills for a reason), they can milk that over there on the Left side of the Aisle to gain public support for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right--which, incidentally, is their stated goal.

I must state that considering that elements of the FBI were involved in the destruction of evidence in the instance of Hillary's communications, painting a well coached whacko as a random nutcase would be child's play.
Cui bono?
It's an election year coming up, and having crazies running around shooting places up only benefits one side in all this.

So, before you go slinging any labels about conspiracies, please just take a look at what is happening.

I heartily second ALL of the above comments!
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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio (with updates)
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2019, 10:51:24 pm »
No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio ("Suspect arrested")
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2019, 10:51:51 pm »
I am only making an observation.
First off, there is a coordinated effort to disarm the American People, and it has been ongoing since the NFA of 1934 was passed. That much should be evident. We have not acquired any more Rights, nor any less infringements to the RKBA by legislation since, but the Right has been successively and incrementally infringed. The only infringement at the Federal Level to have been rescinded was done by a sunset clause in the law itself, not any action taken (the Clinton Era "Assault Weapons" Ban).
Notable Democrats have been so brazen as to voice their opposition to gun ownership, advocate confiscation, and to incrementally damage the ability to exercise the RKBA since the 60s. That much is not just evident, they use it from the campaign stump, and have made such comments on the record.
This stuff is an ongoing assault on a Right. Frankly, Trump is irrelevant (except that he has caved on the RKBA, even just a little in the ban on bump stocks). He's just another player on that stage, but the show has been ongoing for decades.
 
Whether that effort would resort to false flag operations, I do not pretend to know.

It is also a matter of record that Federal Agencies have gone so far as to show people how to mix explosives (WTC bombing in '93), and frequently solicit the illegal actions of all sorts, from NeoNazis to Jihadis, trolling for people to reel in. That some of that might slip the reins there and actually happen, well, think about that. Keep "Fast and Furious" and other operations, including the one to round up Abdul Rachman which resulted in a bombing, and I think we know that answer, too. Have faith that the culture of CYA will distance players from any failed operation where the target actually succeeded in performing their act of mayhem. Such is bureaucracy, and no one wants to lose their jobs. It took a whistleblower in the BATFE to expose Fast and Furious, and likely we never would have heard about it otherwise, just the surge in statistics showing more guns from the US used in Cartel crime (also to limit the RKBA, ultimately, here in the USA).

Another being that whenever these whackos cut loose, it is the law abiding gun owner who ends up getting gigged, and the NRA gets the blame (Utter nonsense--in a half century of reading The American Rifleman, not once have I seen anything advocating going somewhere and shooting up a crowd of people). A law abiding gun owner needs a seriously compelling reason to shoot anyone, even in defense of self or family.
 
Now, if that had only happened once, knowing the heartfelt desires of half or more of the Congress to eliminate the RKBA, I might view these events differently. But the Dems will be there, hat in hand, before the blood dries, demanding to demand they inflict more infringements on my (our) civil rights in another impotent attempt to "do something", which will only result in the loss of our Rights, or serve to make these incidents worse.
The (MSM) optics almost always omit the fact that those who might be best situated to do something about the situation before it developed into wholesale slaughter are constrained by the very laws they abide by, to NOT carry in these establishments where these incidents occur. These laws were often passed at the behest of the same people who have evinced a desire to take away our guns. That legislative hobbling also virtually guarantees a higher body count, which, in turn, makes even more fodder for those who would further restrict the RKBA.

I agree there is a common pattern in the shooters. Often mentally questionable or downright imbalanced, somewhat delusional about the grandeur they will achieve, often (were any not?) on psychotropic medication, or having just quit it, which can be even worse. They travel to places they do not live to slaughter people, as a rule, (but not always). They are often described as long term social outcasts, but who would want to hang with someone who is not only batsh*t crazy, but evincing violent tendencies, too?
 
Now that description also fits anyone who is ripe for recruitment into most any violent scheme from Jihad to some sort of save the planet whackoism, to the Manson Family (although I think the application period has expired on that one), and beyond, which naturally begs the question of whether or not they have been recruited for, or encouraged to, commit their particular mayhem.

That could only be determined by the careful examination of any communications and associations they may have had, personal and virtual, and if the people (like the FBI) doing the examining want to turn a blind eye and reinforce the concept of random slaughter (always more intimidating than someone who kills for a reason), they can milk that over there on the Left side of the Aisle to gain public support for the destruction of a fundamental Civil Right--which, incidentally, is their stated goal.

I must state that considering that elements of the FBI were involved in the destruction of evidence in the instance of Hillary's communications, painting a well coached whacko as a random nutcase would be child's play.
Cui bono?
It's an election year coming up, and having crazies running around shooting places up only benefits one side in all this.

So, before you go slinging any labels about conspiracies, please just take a look at what is happening.

I'll heartily 3rd or 4th it as well!

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Re: 'Active shooter' reported in Dayton, Ohio ("Suspect arrested")
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2019, 10:56:30 pm »
I'll heartily 3rd or 4th it as well!

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It's what you get when WE allow the Constitution to be thrown under the bus @EdJames.
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