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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #300 on: March 02, 2019, 05:02:06 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 05:00:56 pm
BS!  When you understand their playbook it becomes very easy to defeat them!

BS back at you!  If it's so easy, why have we failed so miserably up to now?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #301 on: March 02, 2019, 05:02:38 pm »
Quote from: bigheadfred on March 02, 2019, 04:51:01 pm
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.

How is running a DIFFERENT solid conservative evil...it seems like its simply electing a staunch conservative to a key Senate seat. Is Roy Moore the only solid conservative in the state of Alabama?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #302 on: March 02, 2019, 05:04:03 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 05:02:06 pm
BS back at you!  If it's so easy, why have we failed so miserably up to now?

Because too many players on our team STILL haven't learned the plays in their playbook!
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #303 on: March 02, 2019, 05:04:53 pm »
 
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #304 on: March 02, 2019, 05:08:30 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 05:04:03 pm
Because too many players on our team STILL haven't learned the plays in their playbook!

That I agree with!  And, that's what I am advocating for.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #305 on: March 02, 2019, 05:11:04 pm »
Has lost 3 times statewide,

Lost to a Democrat in a deep Red state. Oh, yeah, keep trying till you get it right.

Oh, and let's not forget, he basically stopped campaigning, I mean who does that?

It's not pragmatic and I'm sure the good people of Alabama will come up with a viable alternative... especially since they have been saying since last year, the other two guys, Mo Brooks and I forget his name, would have defeated the Democrat.

If they have a primary, I see it the same as some other returning candidates to a race, I'm not saying these guys are bad, it's just that their due date does not sell well.

Santorum in '16, I like Rick plenty,

Allen Keyes on running for president again in one of those past elections.

I would expect in a primary, Moore to get pretty low numbers, 17-19%. What kind of momentum does he have? It's not calling him a bad guy.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #306 on: March 02, 2019, 05:14:04 pm »
Quote from: Mesaclone on March 02, 2019, 05:02:38 pm
How is running a DIFFERENT solid conservative evil...it seems like its simply electing a staunch conservative to a key Senate seat. Is Roy Moore the only solid conservative in the state of Alabama?

'Simply electing' is a fantasy. It doesn't matter how staunch, how flawless a candidate is, the opposition stops at nothing to disembowel or discredit them.

Do the same in return. People are stupid. Use their stupidity against them. Reason and/or rationality is useless.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #307 on: March 02, 2019, 05:15:27 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 05:08:30 pm
That I agree with!  And, that's what I am advocating for.

Good! Then we agree! For a while there I thought you were suggesting we just ignore the lies and the reputations of people brave enough to take up the mantle and run for office.  Glad to know I was mistaken about that.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #308 on: March 02, 2019, 05:30:54 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 05:15:27 pm
Good! Then we agree! For a while there I thought you were suggesting we just ignore the lies and the reputations of people brave enough to take up the mantle and run for office.  Glad to know I was mistaken about that.

Ah, but I was.  I am saying we need to identify the ~5 top objectives and do what we need to do to accomplish those.  I am saying that a losing candidate's reputation doesn't get anywhere near the top of the list of priorities.  Can you imagine what the outcome would have been had Washington, Franklin, Revere, and all of those fine men worried about their names over accomplishing establishing our nation?  Seriously?

And, since the winners write the history, those men's reputations are good and intact. 
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #309 on: March 02, 2019, 05:35:38 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 03:51:10 pm
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.

In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #310 on: March 02, 2019, 05:39:22 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on March 02, 2019, 05:35:38 pm
In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

@Hoodat, I've been meaning to ask - who is the winsome young lady in your avatar?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #311 on: March 02, 2019, 05:40:05 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 05:30:54 pm
Ah, but I was.  I am saying we need to identify the ~5 top objectives and do what we need to do to accomplish those.  I am saying that a losing candidate's reputation doesn't get anywhere near the top of the list of priorities.  Can you imagine what the outcome would have been had Washington, Franklin, Revere, and all of those fine men worried about their names over accomplishing establishing our nation?  Seriously?

And, since the winners write the history, those men's reputations are good and intact.

If you don't defend the reputations of your candidates you soon won't have any candidates worth having!
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #312 on: March 02, 2019, 05:42:58 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 05:40:05 pm
If you don't defend the reputations of your candidates you soon won't have any candidates worth having!

If that's where we put our energy, their reputations will not matter. 
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #313 on: March 02, 2019, 05:46:13 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 05:42:58 pm
If that's where we put our energy, their reputations will not matter.

More football practice for you!
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #314 on: March 02, 2019, 05:57:18 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on March 02, 2019, 05:35:38 pm
In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.

I don't believe that one side is good and the other is evil. I think the world is more complicated than that.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #315 on: March 02, 2019, 06:00:07 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 05:57:18 pm
I don't believe that one side is good and the other is evil. I think the world is more complicated than that.

If you were served a salad and told "There is one speck of fecal matter."  Would you eat it?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #316 on: March 02, 2019, 06:01:08 pm »
One can say what was more acceptable at the time, the thing is, the guy has set himself up to be a moral authority, less wiggle-room to be hypocritical.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #317 on: March 02, 2019, 06:04:22 pm »
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If you were served a salad and told "There is one speck of fecal matter."  Would you eat it?

That depends on how hungry I am.  :laugh:
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #318 on: March 02, 2019, 06:05:50 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 06:04:22 pm
That depends on how hungry I am.  :laugh:

It is not a put down for you don't appear to be a "social conservative", that is important to some of us.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #319 on: March 02, 2019, 06:13:49 pm »
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that is important to some of us.

You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #320 on: March 02, 2019, 06:18:42 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 06:13:49 pm
You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.

Well then, your mission is clear:  Get conservatives to abandon their principles.  Good luck.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #321 on: March 02, 2019, 06:20:04 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 06:13:49 pm
You're losing that fight though. You're losing it badly. You're going to lose everything else in the process if you don't regroup.

Really???  Based on the trash you read in Newspapers and see on the TEE  VEE? 

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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #322 on: March 02, 2019, 06:29:00 pm »
Quote from: bigheadfred on March 02, 2019, 05:14:04 pm
'Simply electing' is a fantasy.

Simply losing is a nightmare.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #323 on: March 02, 2019, 08:28:54 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on March 02, 2019, 06:02:19 am
Like it or not, If he has not been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, he is. There is more than enough room for reasonable doubt.

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If this were a court of law, yeah. 
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #324 on: March 02, 2019, 08:31:22 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 04:27:14 pm
These Roy Moore threads are like football practice.  Learning how to recognize the plays in the opposition's playbook.  If we do it enough we might get good at it!

Lol
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