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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #275 on: March 02, 2019, 03:46:36 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 03:20:06 pm
There's a big difference between fighting and winning.  I support winning.

If bowing to evil is what is required to win then I will lose forever.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #276 on: March 02, 2019, 03:47:44 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 03:45:01 pm
Who is talking about selling one's soul?  What?

There's all this talk that core principles must be abandoned to achieve victory.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #277 on: March 02, 2019, 03:48:49 pm »
Thorny issue indeed...

Much to consider on both sides... 

Yes, yes, yes....

Much to consider, both believe in their heart that they are correct....

Both with firm convictions based in their perception of upholding principle....

Nothing to take lightly....

not take it lightly, indeed.


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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #278 on: March 02, 2019, 03:50:00 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2019, 03:47:44 pm
There's all this talk that core principles must be abandoned to achieve victory.

Where?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #279 on: March 02, 2019, 03:50:50 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 03:46:36 pm
If bowing to evil is what is required to win then I will lose forever.

"Bowing to evil"?  Where did I say anything even tangential to that?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #280 on: March 02, 2019, 03:51:10 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 03:46:36 pm
If bowing to evil is what is required to win then I will lose forever.

Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #281 on: March 02, 2019, 03:51:37 pm »
Twelve pages about Roy Moore....

Why am I not surprised?     **nononono*    /s
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #282 on: March 02, 2019, 03:52:31 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 03:51:10 pm
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.

Count me OUT!
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #283 on: March 02, 2019, 03:52:46 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 03:50:00 pm
Where?

"Conservatives will never win because they have convictions."  There's at least one poster on this thread who reiterates the line constantly all over the forum.

I am obviously not referring to you...
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #284 on: March 02, 2019, 03:54:01 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2019, 03:52:46 pm
"Conservatives will never win because they have convictions."  There's at least one poster on this thread who reiterates the line constantly all over the forum.

I am obviously not referring to you...

Oh, good.  I thought I was seriously failing to communicate. 

Ignore all that other stuff.  We need to concentrate on seeing this issue clearly so that we can best deal with it.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #285 on: March 02, 2019, 03:54:17 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 02, 2019, 03:51:37 pm
Twelve pages about Roy Moore....

Why am I not surprised?     **nononono*    /s

I'm surprised.  Not.  Remember, I own the popcorn concession....

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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #286 on: March 02, 2019, 04:03:32 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on March 02, 2019, 03:51:10 pm
Compromising with what you see as evil most likely is required if Republicans are to stay relevant.

"Compromise" is pretty wide open as to meaning now, when the Rats are pushing socialism, some supporting terrorism, the list goes on.

There are some extreme leftists in the DNC, I mean, the platform itself is now... unless, they can draw it in somehow.... compromise almost puts Republicans left of center.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #287 on: March 02, 2019, 04:03:33 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 03:52:31 pm
Count me OUT!

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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #288 on: March 02, 2019, 04:06:49 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on March 02, 2019, 03:54:01 pm
Oh, good.  I thought I was seriously failing to communicate. 

Ignore all that other stuff.  We need to concentrate on seeing this issue clearly so that we can best deal with it.

Consider the political mechanics involved:  The Rats were able to separate Moore from his most conservative supporters (Evangelicals) by making sexual allegations within days after the ballots were printed for the AZ Special Election to replace Sessions.  Mere allegations were sufficient because of the "seriousness of the charge."  Many of us predicted this was to the the new playbook.

Fast forward to the Confirmation of Brett Kavinaugh.  Same plays, and it almost worked by peeling away key squishes in the Senate when Feinswine released the confidential letter after the hearings concluded in the SJC.

If Roy Moore does run, then that will happen again.  If he wins the Primary, I can only hope those Evangelicals realize they'd been played for fools.  Did he date 16-year-old girls when he was 30?  Sure, he said so, and it conformed with the mores of the day.  Did he rape a 14-year-old?  That is still not proven and looks more unlikely as time goes on.  Where are the criminal charges?
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #289 on: March 02, 2019, 04:10:37 pm »
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #290 on: March 02, 2019, 04:20:41 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 02, 2019, 03:51:37 pm
Twelve pages about Roy Moore....

Why am I not surprised?     **nononono*    /s
Because it is perhaps the only name on this board more polarizing than Donald Trump—and the for/against doesn't seem to fit neatly along those lines.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #291 on: March 02, 2019, 04:27:14 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on March 02, 2019, 04:20:41 pm
Because it is perhaps the only name on this board more polarizing than Donald Trump—and the for/against doesn't seem to fit neatly along those lines.

These Roy Moore threads are like football practice.  Learning how to recognize the plays in the opposition's playbook.  If we do it enough we might get good at it!
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #292 on: March 02, 2019, 04:44:32 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2019, 04:06:49 pm
Consider the political mechanics involved:  The Rats were able to separate Moore from his most conservative supporters (Evangelicals) by making sexual allegations within days after the ballots were printed for the AZ Special Election to replace Sessions.  Mere allegations were sufficient because of the "seriousness of the charge."  Many of us predicted this was to the the new playbook.

Fast forward to the Confirmation of Brett Kavinaugh.  Same plays, and it almost worked by peeling away key squishes in the Senate when Feinswine released the confidential letter after the hearings concluded in the SJC.

If Roy Moore does run, then that will happen again.  If he wins the Primary, I can only hope those Evangelicals realize they'd been played for fools.  Did he date 16-year-old girls when he was 30?  Sure, he said so, and it conformed with the mores of the day.  Did he rape a 14-year-old?  That is still not proven and looks more unlikely as time goes on.  Where are the criminal charges?

@Cyber Liberty, you sound like you still think we have a rightful, lawful government in place that we can have a reasonable expectation of influencing with our votes and phone calls and letters. I firmly believe that we have gone beyond that.  We can disagree as to which point it was: when a special counsel was appointed for the purpose of overturning a legitimate election, or when the new democrat-led House was sworn in.  I'll leave that to future historians, who will write the history based on the winner.   

Normally, a change of parties in one or the other branches of government wouldn’t create this kind of situation, but that’s the point.  We’re not operating under normal. 

The U.S. has faced this kind of crisis before and managed to step back from the brink.  I think the democrats have gone so far beyond the brink this time, that it is not salvageable.   They don’t want to step back, and they’re pushing us in front of them.

That’s why I’m saying we need to focus and become cohesive and effective, and do it now.  We don’t have the luxury of worrying about a losing candidate’s* reputation or what he did or didn't do 40 years ago.   



* Not saying he's a loser; just pointing out that he is not a current officeholder.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #293 on: March 02, 2019, 04:50:22 pm »
@Sanguine  I can agree with that.  It's that rigid adherence that allowed the Rats to peel off Moore's Evangelical base.  Those are the folks who need convincing, and I don't see evidence of that being repaired.

The Rats have used "the smear" for as long as I can remember to destroy Republicans.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #294 on: March 02, 2019, 04:51:01 pm »
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #295 on: March 02, 2019, 04:55:07 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2019, 04:50:22 pm
@Sanguine  I can agree with that.  It's that rigid adherence that allowed the Rats to peel off Moore's Evangelical base.  Those are the folks who need convincing, and I don't see evidence of that being repaired.

The Rats have used "the smear" for as long as I can remember to destroy Republicans.

I'm not dropping this; it's way too important:

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That’s why I’m saying we need to focus and become cohesive and effective, and do it now.  We don’t have the luxury of worrying about a losing candidate’s* reputation or what he did or didn't do 40 years ago.   
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #296 on: March 02, 2019, 04:56:23 pm »
Quote from: bigheadfred on March 02, 2019, 04:51:01 pm
You don't bow to evil. You become more evil than the evil you are fighting. Then fight to win. Don't merely neutralize your enemy. Eliminate it. Completely.

Just as the path is narrow, there is a way to destroy evil without it destroying you.  It is a very narrow path, but we know where it leads.
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #297 on: March 02, 2019, 04:59:29 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on March 02, 2019, 03:54:17 pm
I'm surprised.  Not.  Remember, I own the popcorn concession....

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It's really fascinating.  Seriously. ...given everything else worthy of discussion.

If Frank was still here, the over-under would be 5.   :laugh:

It's telling about the basic make-up of the thread participants...the same people that......oh, nevermind.   :bolt:
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #298 on: March 02, 2019, 05:00:52 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 02, 2019, 04:27:14 pm
These Roy Moore threads are like football practice.  Learning how to recognize the plays in the opposition's playbook.  If we do it enough we might get good at it!

I like that POV.     :laugh:
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Re: GOP nightmare as Alabama's Roy Moore signals he might run again
« Reply #299 on: March 02, 2019, 05:00:56 pm »
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  We don’t have the luxury of worrying about a losing candidate’s* reputation or what he did or didn't do 40 years ago.   

BS!  When enough of the players on your understand their playbook it becomes very easy to defeat them!
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