HAMMER: Roberts And Kavanaugh’s Death Penalty Betrayal Again Shows Why Conservatives Never Win The L

[aligncare]

Yes.  Otherwise you're actually saying we have a financial line in the sand and regardless of evidence, or lack thereof, we will kill you because keeping you alive is over budget.

Well, when you put it that way...

 

[Bill Cipher]

At what cost?
Shall we then keep him locked up for the rest of his life at a cost of 40k or better a year?
Or send him to a funny farm at the cost of 70k a year?
Or just let him go so he can practice his disability again?

Death penalty cases are significantly more expensive than life imprisonment. 

[truth_seeker]

Death penalty cases are significantly more expensive than life imprisonment.

That need not be so, however.


Hard labor, bread and water sustains life. 14 hrs/day. 6.5 days/wk.

Use such punishments for both death row, and life terms.

[txradioguy]

Death penalty cases are significantly more expensive than life imprisonment.

Only because your fellow bleeding hearts who have more sympathy for the murderer than the victim drag out the inevitable in courts for a decade or more.

[musiclady]

The death penalty isn’t murder.

What the person did to get on death row is murder. 

There’s a difference you Libs never comprehend.

Let the punishment for the crime.

Hear!  Hear!

The death penalty for a brutal murderer is NOT murder.

[Bill Cipher]

Only because your fellow bleeding hearts who have more sympathy for the murderer than the victim drag out the inevitable in courts for a decade or more.

No, because of the due process required under the Constitution before the state can take someone’s life from them.  The fact that there have been hundreds of exonerations, even after supposedly rock-solid proof, demonstrates that such process is required. 

And taking an innocent life because the government couldn’t be bothered to make sure it got it right is murder. 

[Bill Cipher]

The death penalty isn’t murder.

What the person did to get on death row is murder. 

There’s a difference you Libs never comprehend.

Let the punishment for the crime.

It is if the person killed was innocent, and a full review of the evidence would have demonstrated that fact. 

It is a fact that the government has murdered many people this way.  And we are all complicit in those murders. 

[goatprairie]

It is if the person killed was innocent, and a full review of the evidence would have demonstrated that fact. 

It is a fact that the government has murdered many people this way.  And we are all complicit in those murders.

Not it's not. To date nobody has been able to prove any innocent person has been executed in the U.S.
Does the possibility remain? Sure. But how is that balanced against the deterrent factor or the innocent people killed by paroled or escaped killers. You still haven't answered that question.

[libertybele]

Yes.  Otherwise you're actually saying we have a financial line in the sand and regardless of evidence, or lack thereof, we will kill you because keeping you alive is over budget.

Do you think that a judge imposes a sentence based on cost to the taxpayers??

The average convicted felon spends 15 years on death row.  That is a significant amount of time for appeals and gathering more evidence.  15 years on the taxpayers dime.  So I don't really consider that drawing a financial line in the sand to be the determination of life or death penalty.   

This is though a difficult issue.  When there is insurmountable and/or irrefutable evidence of guilt then the death penalty is warranted.  Otherwise perhaps life without parole is more prudent. 

Stats indicate a minimum error in conviction felons of 0.27% and a maximum error in convicting felons of 4.1!  So, that's a huge difference. 

[berdie]

Or maybe the time has just come to admit that the death penalty is a barbarity that doesn’t belong in a civilized society.

Malarkey.

[XenaLee]

It is if the person killed was innocent, and a full review of the evidence would have demonstrated that fact. 

It is a fact that the government has murdered many people this way.  And we are all complicit in those murders.

Ok... so we'll get rid of the death penalty for convicted felons and murderers.  But... if we do that, we have to also get rid of abortion....

at any stage of development.

Just to make it fair.

[berdie]

If it were up to me you’d have 365 days from your conviction to make one appeal. No more than 6 months after the timing in your appeal you’re dead.

Well, I have to disagree.  Let these creeps stay in prison for 30 years and THEN get the death penalty. Enjoy the prison experience for 30 years or so...and then die.  I like it.

I have posted this before and got slapped down so I expect it.  But it is what I think.

[txradioguy]

It is if the person killed was innocent, and a full review of the evidence would have demonstrated that fact.

Engaging in that tired old myst are we?

Name one person that was innocent that was executed? 

It is a fact that the government has murdered many people this way.

Your twisted view on the death penalty is one of the big reasons our justice system so so screwed up.

Lawyers play the system and tie up the courts with frivolous motions and every desperate motion they can file to keep a brutal murderer from meeting his fate....even when said brutal thug has said "stop the appeals I want to die".

How do you square your bleeding heart Liberal view of the Death Penalty with those on death row that say "I did that crime...and I deserve to die for it"?

I guess in your mind that changes it from murder to the more accepted leftist act of "assisted suicide" right?

And we are all complicit in those murders.

Leviticus 24:19-21 "Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury." 


I'm not complicit in anything.  My conscience is clear.

[txradioguy]

Well, I have to disagree.  Let these creeps stay in prison for 30 years and THEN get the death penalty. Enjoy the prison experience for 30 years or so...and then die.  I like it.

I have posted this before and got slapped down so I expect it.  But it is what I think.

@berdie they already spend nearly that long on death row as it is...our tax dollars fund their college degrees (mainly in law).

One and done and they're in the ground.

[edpc]

It was about four years between the time McVeigh received the death sentence and his execution. IMO, the timeframe between his sentence being carried out and the 1 year suggestion by @txradioguy is about right. That allows for appeals, reviews, and potential commutation in certain cases. He’s an example of someone who was unquestionably guilty and deserved the ultimate sentence.

[berdie]

@berdie they already spend nearly that long on death row as it is...our tax dollars fund their college degrees (mainly in law).

One and done and they're in the ground.

I don't know about other states (and only know about Tx because of a close relative's felonious stupidity, sadly) but here tax dollars don't fund advanced education. An inmate must have a relative with the means to fund their college education. The state does provide GED.  I don't have a problem with that...it might help a low level offender upon release.  I think they can go to the library to learn about lawyering, but it's really not a degree. And for the most part the libraries are donated material from what I have heard.

@txradioguy the worst hell I can imagine is being in one of the hellhole prisons for 30 years....and then be executed. But that's just me. It's a more than apt punishment.

disclaimer: I would probably die  of fear before I walked thru the door.

[Bill Cipher]

Engaging in that tired old myst are we?

Name one person that was innocent that was executed? 
 

Your twisted view on the death penalty is one of the big reasons our justice system so so screwed up.

Lawyers play the system and tie up the courts with frivolous motions and every desperate motion they can file to keep a brutal murderer from meeting his fate....even when said brutal thug has said "stop the appeals I want to die".

How do you square your bleeding heart Liberal view of the Death Penalty with those on death row that say "I did that crime...and I deserve to die for it"?

I guess in your mind that changes it from murder to the more accepted leftist act of "assisted suicide" right?


Leviticus 24:19-21 "Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury." 


I'm not complicit in anything.  My conscience is clear.

Wow.  Get into personal insults much?

When the government kills someone as a punishment for a crime, it does so on our behalf and in our name.  If the government kills an innocent person without having done everything possible to make sure the person was in fact guilty, then the government has murdered, and has murdered on our behalf and in our name.  That makes us complicit in that murder.

Pontius Pilate tried to wash his hands of the matter too, for all the good it did him. 

[Smokin Joe]

You keep touching on the crux of the matter. As designed, our criminal justice system was supposed to accord the benefit of the doubt, a reasonable doubt, to the accused. Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man hang.
Unfortunately, the problem is not with a truly judiciously administered punishment for capital crimes upon conviction, it is found in the rush to 'solve' s crime, one which lets the real perpetrator go free while the press, the clamoring mob (the public), and the politicians and judges are sated in their quests for feelings of safety and vengeance and closure. It is that rush to judgement which corrupts the system, that clamoring to feel 'safe' when the result might be anything but safety.

We need to return to those Constitutional protections for the accused, good police work, honest courts, and rewards based on getting it right rather than just 'doing something'.

Then, without the politics in the middle of the judicial process, operating as originally intended, the judicious use of the death penalty would in some cases be warranted.

[txradioguy]

Wow.  Get into personal insults much?

Quit being a snowflake.  You insult the intelligence of everyone on this forum with your ridiculous view on the death penalty.

When the government kills someone as a punishment for a crime, it does so on our behalf and in our name.  If the government kills an innocent person without having done everything possible to make sure the person was in fact guilty, then the government has murdered, and has murdered on our behalf and in our name.  That makes us complicit in that murder.

Again I'll ask you...name one person in America that was innocent that's been put to death in this country?

What have you done personally to try and change the law?  If we're so complicit as you so falsely claim...what are you doing to try and suspend the death penalty like the courts did in the 70's?

So you're trying to tell us that you'd be fine with Tim McVeigh...Ted Bundy...Richard Ramierez...Eileen Wurnous....child rapists...people who kill a 7-11 clerk for $30 bucks so they can get high living out the rest of their life at tax payer expense?

There's no reason you can ever think of where the death penalty would be justified?

Pontius Pilate tried to wash his hands of the matter too, for all the good it did him.

Because he knew he truly was sending an innocent man to his death.

[roamer_1]

Yes.  Otherwise you're actually saying we have a financial line in the sand and regardless of evidence, or lack thereof, we will kill you because keeping you alive is over budget.

No. I think that if the evidence is settled, and they are convicted, then shoot em. Period.
It is an affront to justice that they continue to breathe, not to mention for a lifetime with a possibility of parole.

And yes, budget is part of it... Take care of a guy for the rest of his life at the cost of millions of dollars, or under 50 bucks for a handful of bullets... that's an easy choice.

[roamer_1]

This is though a difficult issue.  When there is insurmountable and/or irrefutable evidence of guilt then the death penalty is warranted.  Otherwise perhaps life without parole is more prudent. 

I think that to be cruel and unusual punishment, and I would rather eat the bullet.

[Bill Cipher]

Quit being a snowflake.  You insult the intelligence of everyone on this forum with your ridiculous view on the death penalty.

Again I'll ask you...name one person in America that was innocent that's been put to death in this country?

What have you done personally to try and change the law?  If we're so complicit as you so falsely claim...what are you doing to try and suspend the death penalty like the courts did in the 70's?

So you're trying to tell us that you'd be fine with Tim McVeigh...Ted Bundy...Richard Ramierez...Eileen Wurnous....child rapists...people who kill a 7-11 clerk for $30 bucks so they can get high living out the rest of their life at tax payer expense?

There's no reason you can ever think of where the death penalty would be justified?

Because he knew he truly was sending an innocent man to his death.

Again with the personal insults.  That really doesn’t substitute for a reason. 

[QueenCatofAragon]

Or maybe the time has just come to admit that the death penalty is a barbarity that doesn’t belong in a civilized society.

@Bill Cipher

Well, I guess you should tell the one who mandated it in the first place, all the way back in Genesis.  Taking the life of one made in God’s image is a grave thing—He demands blood in return. 

[roamer_1]

@txradioguy the worst hell I can imagine is being in one of the hellhole prisons for 30 years....and then be executed. But that's just me. It's a more than apt punishment.

It ain't about punishment @berdie ... it is about attrition and deterrence.

'Punishment' is vengeance. I don't care what he did, or how he did it, put a cap in his ass and be done with it. Take his air and let his smoke out. fini.

[QueenCatofAragon]

Having said that, it seems to me that juries are losing their guts when it comes to the death penalty.  A couple of decades in prison is often considered justice for taking a life.  That’s no justice at all.