Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate

[Hoodat]

'nuclear option'? , more likely the 'Wiley Coyote' option.

Please tell me they aren't using an,Acme Wall Building Kit.  Nothing Acme makes ever works properly.

[Sanguine]

That’s curious. Other than a portion or none, what other option has the House bill given the Senate?

Not curious at all if you think about it. 

But, I know how you are.  You are wrong, but have to have the last word, so go for it.  I won't answer you again.

It's all yours -

[edpc]

Not curious at all if you think about it. 

But, I know how you are.  You are wrong, but have to have the last word, so go for it.  I won't answer you again.

It's all yours -

Fine, it’ll be the same thing I always say when you talk in circles....

JHC

[Hoodat]

there won’t be any more wall money coming through a Pelosi controlled House.

I disagree.  Pelosi will have some pet project she wants passed, and the only way to get it past the Senate will be to concede a few billion on the wall.

[Cyber Liberty]

Not curious at all if you think about it. 

But, I know how you are.  You are wrong, but have to have the last word, so go for it.  I won't answer you again.

It's all yours -

You are about to be called a "Teenage Girl."

[XenaLee]

You are about to be called a "Teenage Girl."

Nah.  It doesn't count if she didn't finish with "So there."   

[edpc]

I disagree.  Pelosi will have some pet project she wants passed, and the only way to get it past the Senate will be to concede a few billion on the wall.

It’s come straight out of her mouth.


Pelosi: Wall Funding Is a ‘Non-Starter’

https://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/pelosi-wall-funding-is-a-non-starter/

[Cyber Liberty]

I disagree.  Pelosi will have some pet project she wants passed, and the only way to get it past the Senate will be to concede a few billion on the wall.

That's my opinion, too.  People mock Trump for not having principles, but Pelosi has been in Congress without them for decades.  A wall for the border is just another bargaining chip to her.  It is illogical to assume it's an all or nothing proposition on 12/21/2018. 

[Sanguine]

Nah.  It doesn't count if she didn't finish with "So there."   

Whatever.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

It’s come straight out of her mouth.


Pelosi: Wall Funding Is a ‘Non-Starter’

https://freebeacon.com/uncategorized/pelosi-wall-funding-is-a-non-starter/

And you believe her?   

[edpc]

And you believe her?   

Yes and only because of the fact they have a fanatic base, too. The younger, more progressive members of Congress were looking to replace her, after the midterms. IMO, a capitulation on this issue would lead to her being ousted quickly.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes and only because of the fact they have a fanatic base, too. The younger, more progressive members of Congress were looking to replace her, after the midterms. IMO, a capitulation on this issue would lead to her being ousted quickly.

I see your point, and it is logical.  This could be a Rat issue like Abortion that they never, ever give an inch on.  For me that means we need to get $5B now because we'll get $0B after the New Year.  I've always been a fan of getting the half (or fifth) loaf because it's better than nothing.

[edpc]

I see your point, and it is logical.  This could be a Rat issue like Abortion that they never, ever give an inch on.  For me that means we need to get $5B now because we'll get $0B after the New Year.  I've always been a fan of getting the half (or fifth) loaf because it's better than nothing.

Fair enough and that was my original point. Whether the people of the Coulter mindset will find that acceptable for 2020 remains a question. I’m positive she’ll let us know.

[edpc]

McConnell rejects using nuclear option on wall

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/422471-mcconnell-rejects-using-nuclear-option-on-wall



I don’t think anyone is terribly shocked about this.

[Cyber Liberty]

Fair enough and that was my original point. Whether the people of the Coulter mindset will find that acceptable for 2020 remains a question. I’m positive she’ll let us know.

She will threaten, cajole, sing and dance, then come down on the side of the RINOs.  As predictable as the sun now rising to my East.  I liked her until the early 2000's when I saw her "principles" were just an act to sell books.  She's only gotten worse since then.

All that aside, to the Original Topic I must say I don't cotton to the idea of nuking the Filibuster for all bills just to get this one.  That game is sure to come back and bite us in the future.

[edpc]

All that aside, to the Original Topic I must say I don't cotton to the idea of nuking the Filibuster for all bills just to get this one.  That game is sure to come back and bite us in the future.

That’s true, but I do wish sometimes our side would pull out the legislative stops, like the Dems did with ‘deem and pass’ when O-care got jammed through. Mandate and TX judge aside, we’re going to be dealing with that monstrosity for a while.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

This is one issue I agree with Trump on, time to get rid of the filibuster once and for all. It's a relic, nothing more.

[Hoodat]

I say let them filibuster.  And then everyone will know that it was the Democrats who shut the government down.

[Bigun]

This is one issue I agree with Trump on, time to get rid of the filibuster once and for all. It's a relic, nothing more.

IMHO the Senate filibuster rule is not Constitutional and I doubt the founders ever contemplated such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

[bilo]

I say let them filibuster.  And then everyone will know that it was the Democrats who shut the government down.

I'm in agreement with you, but I saw that one of the agencies that will not be funded is DHS. If that's true the pressure will be on Trump to capitulate.

I'm hoping that Trump gets his new Sec. of Def. in quickly and that he is more in line with him. Maybe then, the Army Corps of Engineers will be directed to build the wall. It is a national security issue.

Trump can't back down this time. He will be a 1 term president if he does.

[XenaLee]

Whatever.

 

Uh oh.  You just blew it with that "whatever".  Hey, I tried to help. 

 

[libertybele]

Senate GOP stiffs Trump on filibuster border wall demands

Senate Republicans rejected President Donald Trump's entreaties to eliminate the Senate filibuster to fund his border wall, the latest turn in a fraught battle over funding the government past Friday night's shutdown deadline...........

..........But there are insufficient votes to change the Senate voting rules to a simple majority. Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said they won't vote for a rules change, and neither will Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

"I want to put a stop to this practice of the Senate breaking its rules to change its rules. I will not vote to turn the Senate into a rule-breaking institution and I hope that my colleagues will not," Alexander said in a statement.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/21/senate-trump-wall-1072331

[edpc]

IMHO the Senate filibuster rule is not Constitutional and I doubt the founders ever contemplated such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

That’s what cloture is for and it’s a dangerous game to bring it down to simple majority. You might get some things you like, but you’ll eventually get some things you hate.

[Bigun]

That’s what cloture is for and it’s a dangerous game to bring it down to simple majority. You might get some things you like, but you’ll eventually get some things you hate.

Never-the-less it is not part of the design.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

IMHO the Senate filibuster rule is not Constitutional and I doubt the founders ever contemplated such a thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

You are correct. The founders intended rule by simple majority for the Senate. If you're going to keep the filibuster, at least require the people to actually speak to get it. It's just a thing to keep legislation stalled.