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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2018, 05:28:23 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on December 21, 2018, 05:06:09 pm
Uh oh.  You just blew it with that "whatever".  Hey, I tried to help. 

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And, I appreciate it! The whole thing was super silly.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2018, 05:33:33 pm »
Quote from: edpc on December 21, 2018, 05:08:18 pm

That’s what cloture is for and it’s a dangerous game to bring it down to simple majority. You might get some things you like, but you’ll eventually get some things you hate.

There is no daylight between you and me on this argument.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2018, 06:06:38 pm »
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2018, 06:57:55 pm »
Quote from: edpc on December 21, 2018, 05:08:18 pm

That’s what cloture is for and it’s a dangerous game to bring it down to simple majority. You might get some things you like, but you’ll eventually get some things you hate.

If anything, change it from 60 voter to 3/5, rounded down.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2018, 07:11:14 pm »
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2018, 07:30:59 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 21, 2018, 06:57:55 pm
If anything, change it from 60 voter to 3/5, rounded down.

I'm not sure that is not already the rule.  The press always says "60" like it's a magic number because using the real number accounting for attendance involves math, and would go right over the heads of their low-information audience anyway.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2018, 07:32:59 pm »
Quote from: corbe on December 21, 2018, 07:11:14 pm


Remember when "Military" was over half the pie?  Pepperidge Farms remembers.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2018, 07:33:16 pm »
Quote from: corbe on December 21, 2018, 07:11:14 pm


The "Not Funded" could stay not funded, like... forever. 

Shut It Down.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2018, 10:39:32 pm »
Question: Could have the BS Shutdown been avoided if Trump spent less time tweeting??
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2018, 10:48:33 pm »
Quote from: kevindavis on December 21, 2018, 10:39:32 pm
Question: Could have the BS Shutdown been avoided if Trump spent less time tweeting??
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I think that’s a skosh disingenuous.   First, the shutdown hasn’t happened yet (and who gives a rip if it does).   But more importantly, as much as I cringe whenever he tweets because he frequently shots himself in the foot, his tweeting IS his bully pulpit.   It is his vehicle around the media’s BS.

Can’t hardly fault him for it.   We can fault him for when he comes across as a dumbass, but not for the mere act of trying to take his case to the people.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #60 on: December 22, 2018, 01:39:08 am »
Bigun wrote:
"IMHO the Senate filibuster rule is not Constitutional and I doubt the founders ever contemplated such a thing."

Yes, you are 100% correct.

The Constitution specifies in plain language the only instances in Congressional governance in which supermajorities will be required.

Nowhere in that document can be found reference to the concept of "filibuster".
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #61 on: December 22, 2018, 01:54:03 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on December 22, 2018, 01:39:08 am
Bigun wrote:
"IMHO the Senate filibuster rule is not Constitutional and I doubt the founders ever contemplated such a thing."

Yes, you are 100% correct.

                 

The Constitution specifies in plain language the only instances in Congressional governance in which supermajorities will be required.

Nowhere in that document can be found reference to the concept of "filibuster".

The Constitution says the Senate will choose its own rules.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #62 on: December 22, 2018, 02:18:06 am »
Cyber wrote:
"The Constitution says the Senate will choose its own rules"

So long as those rules are congruent to Constitutional principles and mandates.

The filibuster rule.... is not.
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Re: Trump calls for 'nuclear option' to ram border wall funding through the Senate
« Reply #63 on: December 22, 2018, 02:41:11 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on December 22, 2018, 02:18:06 am
Cyber wrote:
"The Constitution says the Senate will choose its own rules"

So long as those rules are congruent to Constitutional principles and mandates.

The filibuster rule.... is not.

Why not?  Humor me.
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