Paul Ryan shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship plans

[Machiavelli]

What in your view is the meaning of the limitation?   In construing a Constitutional provision, one should try to give all of its language meaning.   (For years, the 2A's predicate clause vexed Constitutional scholars.)    If anyone born here is a citizen, there would be no need for the limitation "born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States".    So what in your mind is an example of an individual born here who wouldn't be a citizen by reason of the limitation?   

@Jazzhead I don't know.

[Machiavelli]

I can't figure out why Ryan felt it necessary to make this comment.

@Emjay Because he believes it to be true?

[libertybele]

Nothing except the fact that the 2A's individual right has been explicitly confirmed by the SCOTUS.    I agree with you that the 2A's individual right is on shaky ground - a different SCOTUS majority,  unbound by stare decisis, could easily take the right away by pointing to the predicate clause.

Cruz also questions Trump's authority.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/10/30/ted-cruz-said-supports-ending-birthright-citizenship-open-question

[Oceander]

@Jazzhead Isn't anyone born in the US subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

No. 

[Oceander]

What in your view is the meaning of the limitation?   In construing a Constitutional provision, one should try to give all of its language meaning.   (For years, the 2A's predicate clause vexed Constitutional scholars.)    If anyone born here is a citizen, there would be no need for the limitation "born . . . subject to the jurisdiction of the United States".    So what in your mind is an example of an individual born here who wouldn't be a citizen by reason of the limitation?   

A child born to a foreign ambassador.

[Sanguine]

Cruz also questions Trump's authority.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/10/30/ted-cruz-said-supports-ending-birthright-citizenship-open-question

Well, sorta:

UVALDE — Sen. Ted Cruz, who is in a heated race for re-election against Democrat Beto O'Rourke, said he supports ending birthright citizenship for children born in the country to unauthorized immigrants but it is an "open question" how the government should do that.

"I have long supported ending birthright citizenship," Cruz said following a campaign rally in Uvalde.

[Elderberry]

Cruz also questions Trump's authority.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2018-elections/2018/10/30/ted-cruz-said-supports-ending-birthright-citizenship-open-question

It doesn't seem to me that Cruz is questioning Trump's Authority. It only appears that he is reserving comment until he has time to review the wording of the EO.

"I would need to examine the legal arguments behind an executive order, and I haven't seen those yet," Cruz said.

[Sanguine]

Howard ... also served on the Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the Fourteenth Amendment.

During the debate over the first clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, he argued for including the phrase "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof:"

    [The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.[2]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_M._Howard

[Frank Cannon]

Well, sorta:

Uvalde? Is that in Toronto?

[Sanguine]

Uvalde? Is that in Toronto?

You betcha.  Snow and ice everywhere.  And, they talk funny.

[Frank Cannon]

You betcha.  Snow and ice everywhere.  And, they talk funny.

No wonder Ted was there.

[Sanguine]

No wonder Ted was there.

 

[Fishrrman]

Title:
"Paul Ryan shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship plans"

Paul Ryan is gonna be a has-been nobody on January 1, 2019.

[Hoodat]

Good grief, people.  Forget the citizenship part.  You want illegals to stop crossing the border?

Then    STOP GIVING THEM FREE SHIT WHEN THEY GET HERE !!!!!

[IsailedawayfromFR]

And the boy in the Speaker's suit just can't leave that position as fast as I would like him to.

A worthless idiot.

[libertybele]

Good grief, people.  Forget the citizenship part.  You want illegals to stop crossing the border?

Then    STOP GIVING THEM FREE SHIT WHEN THEY GET HERE !!!!!

Better yet, build a wall and posts signs that read "Anyone Crossing Into the U.S. Illegally WILL be Considered an Enemy of the U.S. and risk being fired upon.

Secondly, declare a moratorium on ANY immigration into the U.S., including asylum for a period of at least 5 years allowing the U.S. time to revamp our immigration laws and policies and to find a way to start deporting illegals already here.

Agreed; illegals should have NO rights in this country and be ENTITLED to nothing other than a free ride back across the border!

[DB]

There's a big/huge difference between Obama's EOs (trying to destroy America) and Trump's EO re: immigration (trying to SAVE America).   That Ryan apparently is unable to discern the vast difference strikes me as rather hypocritical, if not completely asinine.   Bub bye, Paul.  Don't let that DC door hit ya......(you know the rest).

So it is the ends that matter and not the means...

That's what the left has been saying and doing for a long time.

That philosophy only leaves destruction in its wake. Those with the most power do whatever they like because their ends are always justified by any means...

[DB]

Who was it that campaigned for Ryan to lead the house back in late 2016?

That was some swamp draining...

[Hoodat]

Who was it that campaigned for Ryan to lead the house back in late 2016?

Probably the same guy who saved McConnell from getting primaried in 2014.

[Chosen Daughter]

   [The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.[2]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_M._Howard

If they have broken the law to be here they aren't really here.  Not legally.  How can they be subject to jurisdiction?  They are subject to the jurisdiction of their lawful country.

Instead of rushing them into a cushy hospital room to pop their baby out they should be sent to prison for delivery.  And we pay for those births too.

[Dexter]

Better yet, build a wall and posts signs that read "Anyone Crossing Into the U.S. Illegally WILL be Considered an Enemy of the U.S. and risk being fired upon.

You would have to forcibly deal with the left before that kind of hard line approach would ever happen. I happen to agree with you. A few hard examples would fix things real quick.

[TomSea]

They were making the right decisions on this birthright citizenship and then, the issue entered uncharted territory with some decisions that are complex to describe.

But I will say, Ryan has his view, I'm sure, Trump cleared this with his own advisors as well. 

[edpc]

I'm sure, Trump cleared this with his own advisors as well.

Sure he did....like when he promised a middle class tax cut before November, even though Congress wasn’t in session.

[WarmPotato]

Paul Ryan is running away and quitting Congress soon - who cares what he says?

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I guess we should be thankful that this WORTHLESS DUD is leaving congress.

Good for Ryan.  Who wants to be House minority leader during Armageddon?  Thanx for the tax cut Paul.