Paul Ryan shoots down Trump's birthright citizenship plans

[Sanguine]

You obviously haven't lived in or near one of these areas.

Thanks for calling me a racist.

That brings the conversation to an end. Probably permanently.

That does seem to be the go-to when they don't have a good argument.

[Frank Cannon]

That does seem to be the go-to when they don't have a good argument.

That's exactly how a racist would respond. If you would have skipped the hyphen you would also be a bigot.

[Sanguine]

That's exactly how a racist would respond. If you would have skipped the hyphen you would also be a bigot.

Thank goodness I remembered the hyphen.

[Frank Cannon]

Thank goodness I remembered the hyphen.

I'd respond to that but I only circulate with sexists.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Thanks for calling me a racist.

I didn't call you a racist.  Your words are racist.  Did you mean leprous parasites in a good way?  It is not my fault you revealed the depth of your character.  Stop writing racist crap and I'll stop pointing at it. 

That brings the conversation to an end. Probably permanently.

Great.  You haven't said anything worth quoting, and I mean that in a good way.

[RoosGirl]

I'd respond to that but I only circulate with sexists.

Clearly she's as sexist as you are.  You think she's using that whip on men *and* women?  I highly doubt it.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You missed the point; the intent of those Latinos on New Years Eve was get us to move so that they could have our seats by being rude and trying to overpower us with their numbers.  That is not assimilating, that is flat out thinking that they are entitled!

How do you know?  Did you talk to them?  What did they say?  You are angry because you didn't understand what other people were saying.  I get your point.  I get it a lot.

As for 'owning' a Muslim ... what a twist of words and misconstruing my point.  The point I was trying to make was that he has made an effort to assimilate.

I clearly did misunderstand.  You say he is Muslim but it almost sounds like you're also saying he's not part of ISIS?  Is that possible after he saw your triggering telephone screen saver.  Are you positive he didn't participate in some kind of terrorist activity after?  Cut the head off an American pet like my hampster?

By the way, anytime you want to open your door and allow a couple of people from the caravan mobs into your home, you are more than welcome to do so.  The good news for them, you won't be expecting them to assimilate, and they know to expect that you will hand them everything that they want and need at no cost.  Hopefully for you they won't overstay their welcome.

Do they cook?

Sorry, but those who don't want to assimilate and fail to assimilate have no intention of becoming an American.  If they don't want to be an American, then they have absolutely no business being here.  It's as simple as that.   

Some people are allowed to come to America as refugees and if a judge agrees they get in.  Simple as that.  The judge is not impressed by the simplicity of your opinion.

[sneakypete]

So you are saying that I should ignore or excuse racism when I see it?   Is that what you are saying Trumps message?   May God help us if it is.

@Jazzhead

Racism IS a serious problem in this country,and it is only made worse by people like you who refuse to recognize that it is mostly white people that are discriminated against these days.
Hell,thanks to various Affirmative Action programs,discrimination against whites is even codified into our laws.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

   [The 14th amendment] will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.[2]...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_M._Howard

If they have broken the law to be here they aren't really here.  Not legally.  How can they be subject to jurisdiction?  They are subject to the jurisdiction of their lawful country.

Instead of rushing them into a cushy hospital room to pop their baby out they should be sent to prison for delivery.  And we pay for those births too.

The only possible interpretation that makes sense of the 14th Amendment is that Howard inserted the words 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States' instead of the word 'illegal' as it was well understood that to be the case.

Otherwise, it makes no sense whatsoever to insert those words.

[Sanguine]

The only possible interpretation that makes sense of the 14th Amendment is that Howard inserted the words 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States' instead of the word 'illegal' as it was well understood that to be the case.

Otherwise, it makes no sense whatsoever to insert those words.

Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that some people aren't looking to make sense of it but instead to facilitate a cultural, demographic and political change.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

Racism IS a serious problem in this country,and it is only made worse by people like you who refuse to recognize that it is mostly white people that are discriminated against these days.

 

Yeah, I face discrimination every G-damn day.   

[Jazzhead]

My husband had a Mexican barber for years.  The guy told him that the first thing he told his sons was that they could never succeed unless they learned English.  They did both, succeed and learn English.  I had a yard guy I really liked  Wonderful guy.  His English was okay, not great.  His little boys spoke perfect English but his wife spoke only Spanish.

That's how it is - with Hispanics and immigrants of all stripes.    The value of mastering English doesn't need to be legislated - it is apparent to anyone who seeks to rise economically in the United States of America.    First generation sticks to its language and its ethnic enclaves.   Second generation assimilates and soars.    My father in law,  who's still going strong at 90, still mostly speaks Spanish and his English is so thickly accented that I've mastered the art of eye contact and nodding.  But all eight of his kids went to school,  all are successful professionals and great English-speaking Americans.

This trope that Hispanics uniquely can't or won't assimilate is the same bullshit we've heard for two centuries now with immigrant groups.    Dare I call it racism?  Heaven forbid!

[sneakypete]

Yeah, I face discrimination every G-damn day.   

@Jazzhead

Don't blame ME if you have your head stuffed so far up your ass you can't see what's happening outside.

[truth_seeker]

I am finding it very hard to believe a nation, the US, the UK, Italy, Sweden, etc. ought to be obligated to allow entry to an unlimited, unregulated supply of poor and barely educated entrants.

The left would have us believe we have a moral obligation.

So would Usual Suspects, on sites claiming to be "conservative." decline.



I find it very hard, to accept a version whereby the Constitution is the Suicide Pact, forcing further decliine.

[Jazzhead]

I am finding it very hard to believe a nation, the US, the UK, Italy, Sweden, etc. ought to be obligated to allow entry to an unlimited, unregulated supply of poor and barely educated entrants.

The left would have us believe we have a moral obligation.

So would Usual Suspects, on sites claiming to be "conservative." decline.



I find it very hard, to accept a version whereby the Constitution is the Suicide Pact, forcing further decliine.

No one is disputing the authority of a sovereign nation to control its own borders and determine who may lawfully immigrate.   The issue is decades of neglect and failure to both police the borders and deal with the millions who have already crossed over illegally and disappeared into the vast gray economy.   

We wouldn't be having a discussion about birthright citizenship if we weren't so neglectful as to accept and tolerate 12 million or so illegals,  a percentage of whom will, inevitably, give birth to automatic citizens.   Birthright citizenship was never a problem until we made it one with slipshod enforcement of our immigration laws.   Those we've allowed to enter our nation legally, and who later give birth to new citizens,  aren't the problem.   It's the babies born of illegals that are raising concerns - but whose fault is that other than ourselves?   

Birthright citizenship enshrined in the Constitution is not a "suicide pact".   It's only a problem so long as we allow our threshold problem with illegal entrants to persist.  Solve the threshold problem, and the issue of birthright citizenship becomes moot.   

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that some people aren't looking to make sense of it but instead to facilitate a cultural, demographic and political change.

Great way to have a steady income if one practices immigration law, eh?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No one is disputing the authority of a sovereign nation to control its own borders and determine who may lawfully immigrate.  T

Eh, you have not been paying attention to the UN. @Jazzhead
United Nations: Trump Must Allow Caravan Migrants into America
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,338334.msg1832639.html#msg1832639