Maybe It’s Time To Stop Trying To Get Along.. Derek Hunter

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Maybe It’s Time To Stop Trying To Get Along
Derek Hunter

Posted: Oct 28, 2018 12:01 AM

There was a time when Americans from both political parties managed to get along. I know that seems crazy, like some sort of fever dream, but it’s true. More than that, on some occasions, politicians came together as one and stood up for our country. Now we don’t even speak the same language anymore.

The night of September 11, 2001, on the steps of the U.S. Capitol, the Members of Congress who were in DC gathered together with one purpose, to show the world we would not cower in the face of those horrible attacks. Spontaneously, those Democrats and Republicans sang “God Bless America,” with the lack of self-consciousness we have when we sing in the shower, and pride in this country.

That was the last time we united, the last time we could talk.

Soon after that moment, the politics started again and the divide we’d always had turned into a chasm. And it’s only grown.

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https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/10/28/maybe-its-time-to-stop-trying-to-get-along-n2532660

[XenaLee]

Maybe It’s Time To Stop Trying To Get Along
Derek Hunter

Posted: Oct 28, 2018 12:01 AM

There was a time when Americans from both political parties managed to get along. I know that seems crazy, like some sort of fever dream, but it’s true. More than that, on some occasions, politicians came together as one and stood up for our country. Now we don’t even speak the same language anymore.

The night of September 11, 2001, on the steps of the U.S. Capitol, the Members of Congress who were in DC gathered together with one purpose, to show the world we would not cower in the face of those horrible attacks. Spontaneously, those Democrats and Republicans sang “God Bless America,” with the lack of self-consciousness we have when we sing in the shower, and pride in this country.

That was the last time we united, the last time we could talk.

Soon after that moment, the politics started again and the divide we’d always had turned into a chasm. And it’s only grown.

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https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2018/10/28/maybe-its-time-to-stop-trying-to-get-along-n2532660

In a moment of clarity and truth (rare, indeed, for that one).... Hillary actually hit upon something that rings true. 

You really can't continue to be civil with an enemy (like the Democratic Party, aka Socialists of Amerika) that seeks to destroy everything you stand for and care about.  Your way of life, your values, your hopes, dreams and future ....not to mention your independence 'from' big government.   

You know how so many or most on the left always project?  Well... she was projecting there, too.  She knows full well that it is her party, the rabid, radical left that seeks to destroy and/or remake/fundamentally transform America into their ideal of a socialist paradise (no such thing).

'You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for'

[Right_in_Virginia]

Just last week, Hillary Clinton said Democrats don’t need to engage in civility unless they regain power. Maybe the time has come to stop trying to get along and just focus on making sure they never do.

We're at the point where one side or the other needs to win, decisively.

[skeeter]

In a moment of clarity and truth (rare, indeed, for that one).... Hillary actually hit upon something that rings true. 

You really can't continue to be civil with an enemy (like the Democratic Party, aka Socialists of Amerika) that seeks to destroy everything you stand for and care about.  Your way of life, your values, your hopes, dreams and future ....not to mention your independence 'from' big government.   

You know how so many or most on the left always project?  Well... she was projecting there, too.  She knows full well that it is her party, the rabid, radical left that seeks to destroy and/or remake/fundamentally transform America into their ideal of a socialist paradise (no such thing).

She inadvertently highlighted another fundamental difference between the left and right - she couches it as whether or not to be civil. Most on the right would say something like 'you can't negotiate with those who want to destroy everything you stand for.'

[XenaLee]

She inadvertently highlighted another fundamental difference between the left and right - she couches it as whether or not to be civil. Most on the right would say something like 'you can't negotiate with those who want to destroy everything you stand for.'

Yeah.  And another thing that I find ironic as Hell about what she said... is....

since "when" have the Democrats ever been civil?   lololol   

[Dexter]

We're at the point where one side or the other needs to win, decisively.

If one side failed for a time and we only had one relevant party it'd become too obvious that private entities have perverted and taken over politics. Parties are a blight.

[INVAR]

When over half the population does not believe in or share core principles that founded the nation and are vital for liberty to exist at all, there is no possibility of 'getting along'.  When a significant number of those are openly hostile towards those principles and favor the forcible subjugation of the population to impose an alien ideology - the choice is either going to be slavery, or death.

But before that comes the division and collapse, before retribution begins in earnest and nearly all will cry out for totalitarianism to save them.

[XenaLee]

When over half the population does not believe in or share core principles that founded the nation and are vital for liberty to exist at all, there is no possibility of 'getting along'.  When a significant number of those are openly hostile towards those principles and favor the forcible subjugation of the population to impose an alien ideology - the choice is either going to be slavery, or death.

But before that comes the division and collapse, before retribution begins in earnest and nearly all will cry out for totalitarianism to save them.

If by that you mean.... when (not if) the radical left extremists and their jihadi bros begin the 'real' uprising... ie chaos and rioting in the streets across America as an ongoing event....

then yeah.   People will always vote 'for' laws that they think will protect them and provide for the safety of their families.  We saw that after 9/11 via the Patriot Act.  And now we have grannies and kids in wheelchairs being patted down and searched and probed at airports... and ridiculous laws governing what "fluids" you can travel with.  All in the name of "safety".  Reality has become a parody of past spoof flicks where the real criminals, terrorists and threats waltz past airport inspectors (can't have profiling, dontcha know)... while they detain and search those least likely to BE terrorists.

[DCPatriot]

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    Just last week, Hillary Clinton said Democrats don’t need to engage in civility unless they regain power. Maybe the time has come to stop trying to get along and just focus on making sure they never do.

We're at the point where one side or the other needs to win, decisively.

There's a part 2 to her remark(s) just this past week:  She said "...those that opposed us are going to pay"

And I don't believe that's a paraphrase.

[DCPatriot]

If one side failed for a time and we only had one relevant party it'd become too obvious that private entities have perverted and taken over politics. Parties are a blight.

Come on, @Dexter

This goes way beyond "relevant" parties.

The mainstream media now consists of alumni from the Clinton and Obama regimes.  The same regimes that obtained FBI files on every person in government and the judiciary and law enforcement.

If they were able to militarize the alphabet bureaus ...consider this:

I have a SORE-LOSERMAN tee shirt still in excellent condition.  My grandson, born post 9-11...weaned on Socialst and Leftist ideology while everybody else was busy meeting mortgage and BMW payments, VOTES!!

Everywhere we turn we see out-of-control so-called news networks calling our POTUS 'Hitler' like.

In Hollywood, personalities offer opinions/statements that are hate-filled screeds against Trump and his supporters.

I've asked in here in 2009, just how close we as Americans are in comparison to the typical German citizen who remained mute when the Jews were targeted and being removed.

@MACVSOG68 at the time, talked me down.  (Miss ya, Mike)

IMO, we're much closer today.  In fact, Mac would probably agree.

[INVAR]

If by that you mean.... when (not if) the radical left extremists and their jihadi bros begin the 'real' uprising... ie chaos and rioting in the streets across America as an ongoing event....

It already IS an ongoing event.

We are simply getting comfortable with it.

We will continue to allow ourselves to grow desensitized to civil society's collapse until greater and greater outrageous acts of corruption, criminality, horror and mayhem shock us into trading what liberty we have left for promises of safety.

Once the consequences of trillions in debt-spending are visited upon us in full - the Balkans will seem like a mild picnic.

Given this nation's rejection of Him who Sustained us in everything but lip service, the Strong Hand and Hedge of Protection is removed from us, and we are going to be at the mercy of the consequences we have sown for ourselves.  Proverbs 1:24-32 is what we can expect as a nation.

As individuals, enduring to the end with our faith intact is where the test is going to truly come.

But America as you knew it is done and gone.  A majority want nothing to do with what we were, and a greater number are openly hostile to the precepts that make the fragility of liberty possible.

[XenaLee]

It already IS an ongoing event.

We are simply getting comfortable with it.

I disagree.   It's not a constant, ongoing riot yet.  But rest assured, the radicals will ramp it up to that.... at the right time and moment for their agenda.  And we know what that entails by now.

We will continue to allow ourselves to grow desensitized to civil society's collapse until greater and greater outrageous acts of corruption, criminality, horror and mayhem shock us into trading what liberty we have left for promises of safety.

As long as we allow the radical left to indoctrinate kids in public schools and colleges to that leftist agenda.... yeah.   It will only get worse.  Why the hell are we allowing it?  Why did we allow a cop-murdering radical (two of them, rather) to become a professor with prestige and access to young minds?  It's nuts.

Once the consequences of trillions in debt-spending are visited upon us in full - the Balkans will seem like a mild picnic.

Oh come on now.   It's just such a little thing ... that spiraling, out of control national debt.  Why worry?  And with the radical left salivating at the mere thought of melting down and collapsing our economy again, so they can blame Republicans, again.  No biggie.  (sarc)

Given this nation's rejection of Him who Sustained us in everything but lip service, the Strong Hand and Hedge of Protection is removed from us, and we are going to be at the mercy of the consequences we have sown for ourselves.  Proverbs 1:24-32 is what we can expect as a nation.

God's hand will be removed if and when God wants it so.  Nothing we (you and I) can do about it except talk about it...lol.

As individuals, enduring to the end with our faith intact is where the test is going to truly come.

You betcha.   And once you become spiritually aware and active, you realize that all of this... what we call "our lives" has merely been a test... and will continue to be so until the moment we die.  The only "purpose" in life is how we do on that test.

But America as you knew it is done and gone.  A majority want nothing to do with what we were, and a greater number are openly hostile to the precepts that make the fragility of liberty possible.

Not.... quite.... yet.   But yeah, I truly believe it's going there.  Baring some unforeseen miracle or two.  Again, if that's what God wants, that's what God will have.  Hopefully, His faithful and true believers won't have to bear the brunt of that judgement.  Not that I'm convinced of that, mind you.  Just... hopeful.

[INVAR]

God's hand will be removed if and when God wants it so.  Nothing we (you and I) can do about it except talk about it...lol.

II Chronicles 7:13-14 says the opposite is true along with much of biblical history.  A nation that repents is often spared the full consequences they have sown for themselves... for a time.  Jonah could tell you about that.

But repentance is something abhorred by all sides and entities in this country right now.  At least in Nineveh, they fell on their faces and repented when the Word came that they were about to be Judged for their sins.  This people hate and loathe the ones giving the same warning and want them silenced.

Perhaps real trial, misery and suffering on a scale we have never experienced on these shores might change that.  Sometimes that is required to get a former people of God to their knees.

However, if they harden their hearts in the midst of such judgement, then usually complete destruction and captivity follow quickly because God can no longer work with them.

Not.... quite.... yet.   But yeah, I truly believe it's going there. 

This is not the same country it was even 18 years ago, culturally, societally or politically.  We are a great tree that looks strong outwardly - but inside we are rotted, diseased, decaying and dead to the point the only thing holding the entire edifice up is the outward superficiality of what we once were.

I'm not into pretending we are good and great due the prosperity we tell ourselves means we have need of nothing when it is clear to those with eyes to see that we as a nation are pitiful, poor, blind and naked as far as God is concerned.

[Fishrrman]

Back about 17 years ago, America came to a fork in the road.

Prior to that time, most Americans walked on either the left or right side of the same road. Not all, but ... most of them did.

But once that fork was reached, the left and the right left the "common road of America".

With that point of division having been passed, the "two roads" grow further and further apart.

They will not re-converge -- at least not voluntarily.

So... what choices does that leave us?

[INVAR]

Back about 17 years ago, America came to a fork in the road.

Prior to that time, most Americans walked on either the left or right side of the same road. Not all, but ... most of them did.

But once that fork was reached, the left and the right left the "common road of America".

With that point of division having been passed, the "two roads" grow further and further apart.

They will not re-converge -- at least not voluntarily.

So... what choices does that leave us?

Liberty as intended for us requires the liberty of a people to be unified on a common foundation and via personal lives obedient to the biblical morality that made us what we were.

That no longer exists in this country but among a few being scattered into greater and greater irrelevance.

The Constitution we pay lip service to was only ever capable of governing a moral and religious people that had no need of a central government to be their Master and impose order.

But as we are become more corrupt and vicious - we demonstrate that we are incapable of liberty and the State must be empowered to impose order and make provision - so liberty dies to thunderous applause and acceptance of ideas anathema to what we were founded to be.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Yeah.  And another thing that I find ironic as Hell about what she said... is....

since "when" have the Democrats ever been civil?   lololol

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/03/politics/senate-opioids-legislation/index.html
Senate passes legislation to fight opioid epidemic

The legislation was approved by a vote of 98-1 in the Senate and will now head to the White House for President Donald Trump's signature.

The House overwhelmingly passed its version of the bill last week by a vote of 393-8.

You didn't hear that because Trump said it got "Very little Democrat support."
https://factba.se/transcript/donald-trump-speech-maga-rally-lebanon-oh-october-12-2018

Dirty stinking rats are always trying to make our Savior look bad.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'll give you this much, O, you're a predictable and loyal defender of your democrat party.

I hope they appreciate you. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I'll give you this much, O, you're a predictable and loyal defender of your democrat party.

I hope they appreciate you.

And you are once again incapable of commenting on substance.  You're a hack @Right_in_Virginia

[Right_in_Virginia]

And you are once again incapable of commenting on substance.  You're a hack @Right_in_Virginia

I commented on the substance of your every post....your liberalism.  This really says it all.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I commented on the substance of your every post....your liberalism.  This really says it all.   

Even funnier, you can't help embarrassing yourself further.  You are truly an amusing woman.   

[corbe]

   It could be argued that @Once-Ler 's Never'ism is extreme at times but your argument that he is a demonrat or a liberal is just a cheap shot @Right_in_Virginia
   I've often contemplated that your extremism makes him that way and he enjoys trolling you, like I do.

[Dexter]

People on the right: "Anything left of me is socialism."

People on the left: "Anything right of me is Hitler."

This hyperpartisan nonsense is getting us nowhere.

[Sanguine]

People on the right: "Anything left of me is socialism."

People on the left: "Anything right of me is Hitler."

This hyperpartisan nonsense is getting us nowhere.

You make an interesting point.  You can do something with "socialism" and potentially have a rational conversation, but when you go to "Hitler" that's it.  All rationalism and any potential meeting of minds is out of question.

[skeeter]

You make an interesting point.  You can do something with "socialism" and potentially have a rational conversation, but when you go to "Hitler" that's it.  All rationalism and any potential meeting of minds is out of question.

Excellent point.

BTW anyone know where @Bigun is?

[Sanguine]

Excellent point.

BTW anyone know where @Bigun is?

I think a number of people are taking a break until after the election.  It gets a bit superheated here.