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[Emjay]

There is a LOT of space between government paid for healthcare/school and totalitarian socialism. It is simply a fact that Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Iceland are not socialist countries. They have large welfare states and humanitarian priorities, but their countries run on capitalism. They can earn good money, buy their own homes, own their own vehicles and other things etc. Liberals in the states want us to emulate them, not Cuba and not Venezuela. Bernie has spent countless hours talking about how we should emulate the Nordic countries, not failing systems from Latin America. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT, AND IT'S NOT SOCIALISM, EVEN IF THEY CALL IT THAT IN THEIR IGNORANCE. My fiance is from that part of the world and I will actually be moving there with her in a couple of years. I'm very excited. It's a beautiful place with a lot of good people.

Happy for you @Dexter but try to stay healthy.  Even the socialized health care in England is a hellish nightmare.

[dfwgator]

I think most people have a natural desire to excel and prosper.

Until welfare comes along.  Even FDR called it a "Dangerous narcotic."

[Dexter]

Until welfare comes along.  Even FDR called it a "Dangerous narcotic."

Eventually AI and robotics will become so advanced that almost all human labor will be obsolete. People say "Well people will repair the machines." No, they won't. When we build general intelligence into AI and it becomes capable of outperforming us in every conceivable way there won't be much room left for people to work. Once AI is capable of discovery it's going to change humanity forever. At that point the robots will likely become so advanced that a human will be incapable of working on them. AI and robotics WILL continue to improve and it WILL eventually cause a jobs crisis. I think the end game, whether I like it or not, is that humanity will eventually have no other option than to let go and be taken care of by the robotic God it built.

[Dexter]

Happy for you @Dexter but try to stay healthy.  Even the socialized health care in England is a hellish nightmare.

It might be worth noting that well off people in Sweden and all throughout Europe still have access to world class healthcare because there are still private doctors. It's true that America has the best healthcare in the world, but you only have access to those top quality doctors if you have a shitload of money. Everyday people in a lot of European countries actually have better overall health because preventative care takes place a lot more when people aren't worried about the cost of their care. There's a lot of people in the states that don't seek care until they are in a lot of pain, and that's very bad for their health.

[LMAO]

We have had states that have tried a universal healthcare scheme, Ca and Vermont for example,and they went no where because the costs would’ve  exceeded their state budgets. We have campaign commercials from Democrats making all kinds of promises without outlining how they will be funded.

Also, the amount of taxation required would exceed the public’s willingness to pay. That would mean more borrowing and printing

[Dexter]

We have had states that have tried a universal healthcare scheme, Ca and Vermont for example,and they went no where because the costs would’ve  exceeded their state budgets. We have campaign commercials from Democrats making all kinds of promises without outlining how they will be funded.

Also, the amount of taxation required would exceed the public’s willingness to pay. That would mean more borrowing and printing

The cost of healthcare in this country is ridiculously obscene. The fact that your insurance is billed 70 dollars when the hospital gives you an aspirin maybe has something to do with why those estimates end up so extreme. There has to be a way to bring healthcare costs down, and then it becomes a lot more feasible in my opinion. If the United States can put people on the moon and robots on mars it can figure out how to give everybody access to basic healthcare, if it wanted to. That's just my opinion. But yeah, no matter what your taxes would probably go up some. How much do you all pay for health insurance for yourselves and family? Hypothetically if the amount your taxes went up was less than the amount you'd save on health insurance might you take it under consideration?

[roamer_1]

Both sides have a vision for the world that they want to see enforced by the government. It's impossible to have a society without infringing upon the preferences of some individuals. I believe in democracy and the goodness of humanity as a whole. I do not believe that evil will win as long as good people have the power to stand up to it.

@Dexter
The ONLY way the 'good people' have the power to stand up against evil is if they contain within themselves (respectively and in aggregate) the ability to stand against government, free of coercion. Sooner or later the benevolent king dies and the tyrant takes his place. The only rest the people have thereafter lies in their ability to overthrow their government and establish it anew.

The government big enough to care for its people is also big enough to enslave them, as history has shown, over and again.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

[roamer_1]

The Swedish model cannot work in a large multi-cultural country.  And it's starting to fail in Sweden, because it has become multi-cultural.

@dfwgator
Not to mention the cost of DEFENSE, on which Sweden spends but a token amount - Relying upon the UK and her daughters (and very importantly and specifically the USA) for that provision.

Take away that defense and put Sweden in the way of defending itself, and it's ability to rest at ease would cost far more, literally collapsing its socialist dreams.

In fact, the very same can be said for all of Europe.

[roamer_1]

I think it's more about how many people are using those benefits and less about the color of their skin. The Swedes let a million poor people immigrate into their country that had a population of 9 million at the time. That's equivalent to us letting 40 million poor people immigrate to America in the span of a year or two. I think the left is very illogical when it comes to immigration. I think some of what they want can work and be successful, but not if we let legions of poor people from other countries in for a slice of the pie.

As if the waves of immigrants were not intended to be destructive. You must not be aware of how communism works. This is communism by the books - Overwhelm the target country with burdensome welfare until it collapses... And that is the inevitable end... Wherein the encroaching socialism finally overpowers the government, and it collapses of its own weight, and a communist system rises from the ashes.

Them that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.

[roamer_1]

[...] over time, generous welfare programs chip away at that.

And that is the inevitable problem with socialism/communism... Inevitably it becomes easier to be on the bottom than one rung up... The incentive to work, risk, and profit are removed when one receives no reward for their labors.

What will inevitably leave is the middle class, saddled hardest with the burden... And without that mobility provided by the middle class, things go back to an historical normal - a serf class, an elite class, and a tyrant king.

It astonishes me how few people understand the gift of the American system.

[Sanguine]

And that is the inevitable problem with socialism/communism... Inevitably it becomes easier to be on the bottom than one rung up... The incentive to work, risk, and profit are removed when one receives no reward for their labors.

What will inevitably leave is the middle class, saddled hardest with the burden... And without that mobility provided by the middle class, things go back to an historical normal - a serf class, an elite class, and a tyrant king.

It astonishes me how few people understand the gift of the American system.

Me, too, @roamer_1.  But, that's what we are doing here.  @Dexter seems to be intelligent and well intentioned, but lacking in facts and context.  Facts and context that we can provide.

[roamer_1]

There has to be a way to bring healthcare costs down, and then it becomes a lot more feasible in my opinion.

As always in a capitalist system, when a sector of the market is abnormally high, one must look for the financial mechanisms that are propping it up, and knock those props out... Allowing competition to reassert itself... And I can guarantee that single payer is the exact opposite.

[Dexter]

As always in a capitalist system, when a sector of the market is abnormally high, one must look for the financial mechanisms that are propping it up, and knock those props out... Allowing competition to reassert itself... And I can guarantee that single payer is the exact opposite.

I don't think it would make healthcare costs unsustainable if we actually secured our borders and focused on making the system we set up efficient. Pretty much every other first world country has figured out a way to pull it off. If Europe can figure out how to make universal healthcare affordable under capitalism so can we. We're a smart and innovative people when we come together and work towards a goal.

[roamer_1]

Me, too, @roamer_1.  But, that's what we are doing here.  @Dexter seems to be intelligent and well intentioned, but lacking in facts and context.  Facts and context that we can provide.

Yes, @Sanguine , that is exactly what we are doing here.  for the fear of high costs, folks will forgo the responsibilities of liberty and accept the chains of burgeoning government.

[Dexter]

A lot of you consider yourselves nationalists. Well then why not make this nation strong by giving young Americans a head start? Why not help them with college and keep them healthy so they grow up educated and strong? I don't know. To me strengthening America and Americans, especially young Americans, is how we prepare ourselves for tomorrow. It's how we continue showing the world that we are still the best and the brightest.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

I don't think it would make healthcare costs unsustainable if we actually secured our borders and focused on making the system we set up efficient. Pretty much every other first world country has figured out a way to pull it off. If Europe can figure out how to make universal healthcare affordable under capitalism so can we. We're a smart and innovative people when we come together and work towards a goal.

If we went down the universal lack of health care model, where would the citizens of other countries go when their failed system refuses them treatment?

Smart and innovative people, working not together but as individuals, can make a health care system that is reasonably affordable.  A few hundred lawyers and lobbyists can't, and wouldn't want to if they could.

[roamer_1]

I don't think it would make healthcare costs unsustainable if we actually secured our borders and focused on making the system we set up efficient. Pretty much every other first world country has figured out a way to pull it off. If Europe can figure out how to make universal healthcare affordable under capitalism so can we. We're a smart and innovative people when we come together and work towards a goal.

But it isn't affordable in Europe. Or Canada. Or anywhere else.

A very good friend of mine in Wales had a relative with a curable cancer. His diminishing health and high health care costs soon left him broke, and along with it, abandoned to die by the national health system. The cost for treatment was determined to be too high...

He figured out, pretty much with his last gasps, how to get to the USA, landing in Florida, and immediately became indigent. American welfare provided for him, and in 8 months, he was back to health, off of welfare, and applying for American citizenship.

Another friend in Canada had terrible health problems and was faced with huge wait times - He required a relatively mundane intestinal surgery, but would have died, had he not taken action that the Canadian system would not allow... His family ponied up the money and got him down to the states, where the American system provided the needed surgery.

Be careful what you wish for - All that glitters is not gold.

[Dexter]

But it isn't affordable in Europe. Or Canada. Or anywhere else.

A very good friend of mine in Wales had a relative with a curable cancer. His diminishing health and high health care costs soon left him broke, and along with it, abandoned to die by the national health system. The cost for treatment was determined to be too high...

He figured out, pretty much with his last gasps, how to get to the USA, landing in Florida, and immediately became indigent. American welfare provided for him, and in 8 months, he was back to health, off of welfare, and applying for American citizenship.

Another friend in Canada had terrible health problems and was faced with huge wait times - He required a relatively mundane intestinal surgery, but would have died, had he not taken action that the Canadian system would not allow... His family ponied up the money and got him down to the states, where the American system provided the needed surgery.

Be careful what you wish for - All that glitters is not gold.

I have never heard of stuff like that happening before. How would that even happen to that guy? How did he go broke over health reasons in a country with universal healthcare? I know there are always bizarre and horrifying circumstances that randomly happen. It happens here sometimes too. I've heard of incapacitated patients without health insurance being abandoned in random locations. Generally speaking though, their healthcare works well for the average person. The large majority in Europe are happy with the way they do healthcare. I really don't think they'd like to switch to how we do it.

[roamer_1]

A lot of you consider yourselves nationalists. Well then why not make this nation strong by giving young Americans a head start? Why not help them with college and keep them healthy so they grow up educated and strong? I don't know. To me strengthening America and Americans, especially young Americans, is how we prepare ourselves for tomorrow. It's how we continue showing the world that we are still the best and the brightest.

I see that you have not reckoned the cost involved, which is literally unbearable (even just for healthcare)

Basic math: It cannot be cheaper for someone else to pay your bills for you. Ever.

[Dexter]

I see that you have not reckoned the cost involved, which is literally unbearable (even just for healthcare)

Basic math: It cannot be cheaper for someone else to pay your bills for you. Ever.

I think it would be expensive, and older Americans would have to be willing to do something very generous that they would never reap the benefits of, but I really believe it would strengthen us against the future. I do not believe the cost would be impossible. We can be smarter than Europe. We could do what they do if we wanted to. Hell, we could probably do it better than they do.

[jpsb]

I don't think it would make healthcare costs unsustainable if we actually secured our borders and focused on making the system we set up efficient. Pretty much every other first world country has figured out a way to pull it off. If Europe can figure out how to make universal healthcare affordable under capitalism so can we. We're a smart and innovative people when we come together and work towards a goal.

Health care used to be very affordable and then came medicare. Once gov starts paying the price
goes up.

[truth_seeker]

Smart and innovative people, working not together but as individuals, can make a health care system that is reasonably affordable.  A few hundred lawyers and lobbyists can't, and wouldn't want to if they could.

True.

[roamer_1]

I have never heard of stuff like that happening before. How would that even happen to that guy? How did he go broke over health reasons in a country with universal healthcare? I know there are always bizarre and horrifying circumstances that randomly happen. It happens here sometimes too. I've heard of incapacitated patients without health insurance being abandoned in random locations. Generally speaking though, their healthcare works well for the average person. The large majority in Europe are happy with the way they do healthcare. I really don't think they'd like to switch to how we do it.

You should research the matter from both sides, rather than relying on the rosy propaganda shoveled out of liberal sources.

And I will flatly deny that anyone is left out of American healthcare.

I fell ill in my 40s, lost everything, and wound up in a wheelchair in screaming pain for years.
Now, I HATE western medicine, I really do, but when I fell flat on my ass, and nothing was left, I experienced far better care under medicare and medicaid than I ever had before in my life.

With the exception of dental care and alt med (which I prefer), literally everything my doctor ordered up was given to me at no cost at all. The notion that the American system does not provide for the poor is an unsubstantiated myth. I know. I lived it, utterly disabled.

All you need to do to receive medical care in the US is lose all your shit.

[roamer_1]

I think it would be expensive, and older Americans would have to be willing to do something very generous that they would never reap the benefits of, but I really believe it would strengthen us against the future. I do not believe the cost would be impossible. We can be smarter than Europe. We could do what they do if we wanted to. Hell, we could probably do it better than they do.

No, in fact, it will not strengthen us for the future - In fact, it will do the precise opposite.

[Absalom]

So advise the quote you claimed denote disarray?

PS - there was none.

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Uninterested in picking a fight w/you on this issue but two observations:
* Trump is a compulsive yapper who cannot shut his mouth for an instant.
As a result, he unconsciously contradicts himself and misspeaks allowing
his enemies to unfairly call him a liar.
* More critically, he cannot judge character in subordinates; the reason for
the ongoing turmoil/turnover within his Agencies and Cabinet.
His fan club refuses to acknowledge either. So be it, as that won't change reality.
A price will be paid for Trump's utter lack of awareness, be it now or be it later!!!