‘Never Trumpers’ unite to back Trump’s battle for Kavanaugh

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Additionally, the ATs constant demand for compliance will result in a #walkaway movement on the right, just like the SCOTUS drama has caused on the left.

Exactly.  That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests.  Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.

[Emjay]

@Maj. Bill Martin
This is the salient point. This fight is not Trump vs the Left....that is just one battle in the war.

The "War" is the Left vs every tradition we have of jurisprudence...to include the very basic tenets of presumption of innocence and the concept of due process...republican governance, fairness, and belief in American exceptionalism. While NT's may never approve of our current General in our current battle, let's hope they have the wisdom to perceive the wider war and to fight in that larger cause against the Left. It seems to me that this Kavanaugh ugliness has opened their eyes to the true danger of radical Leftism seizing power in this country...whether Trump sits in the White House or any other Republican.

I don't like rubbing their (NT's) noses in what I perceive as the error of mis-characterizing the President...I think many of them already see their mistake but pride holds them to their position...others will never be able to reconcile their gut level dislike of the President's style and mannerisms. That's just the way it is and that's OK as long as these folks can see who their REAL enemy is. So, its better I believe, to give them (NT's) credit for engaging in the broader culture war and for joining the rest of us in pushing back the Leftist nightmare that is now grasping for power. If they can do that while disliking the President than at least we can work together in situations such as this current nomination fight.

Graciously put @Mesaclone,  but it would be easier to do if they could bring themselves to refrain from insulting anyone who voices support for Trump.  I haven't been called an Orange Baboon lately, so I guess that's something.

[INVAR]

Please don't judge all Trump supporters/voters by a few malcontents that post here on a political debate forum.  You do the majority of level-headed, non-emotional folks that support Trump against the radical left a huge disservice by lumping them in with the usual suspects here, IMO.  They do NOT represent the majority of said supporters ....and in the long run, what they think here, say here or want matters not.  Not to me, and not to any logical, thinking, intelligent person.  JS.....

I make that statement based not only via what's being said online, but also what I'm hearing and engaged with in the meat world.

It's not just a few, and I daresay you may very well be a shrinking minority of level-headed non-emoting GOP/Trumps supporters as the polarized effects of what's going on widens.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it.   Over the last 20 months there are  innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough.  Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt.   Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.

Hi! Sunshine.

Maybe it's time to get over yourself.  I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do.  If stomping your feet for 20 more months works for you @Axeslinger --- I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.

But in all honesty, your snowflake victim charade is terribly disappointing. 

[Emjay]

Before you chastise someone for being ignorant @aligncare , I suggest you check your posts for spelling and grammatical errors..."constitutionists" s/b "constitutionalists". 


I find most of your posts tedious, but feel free to keep chastising us Never Trumpers. Seems like every time I start leaning toward getting on the Trump Train, I can count on you, or several other like minded Orange Brigadiers, to shake me back to my senses.   

@Night Hides Not   I try not to chastise NTers.  I was one myself for a long time.  But you just referred to Trump supporters as Orange Brigadiers, which I admit is a step up from Orange Apes, but still not helpful.

It would be so self-defeating if you let these same Orange colored folks color your opinions to the point that you would refuse to give Trump credit even if you saw that it was deserved and kinda wanted to.

Both sides have been a little cranky with each other and you know that.  But we would welcome you very warmly into the fold.

[INVAR]

Maybe it's time to get over yourself.  I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do.

That's complete and utter bullshit right there.

If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Graciously put @Mesaclone,  but it would be easier to do if they could bring themselves to refrain from insulting anyone who voices support for Trump.  I haven't been called an Orange Baboon lately, so I guess that's something.

@Emjay -- it should be relatively easy to be gracious when you're winning.  Name-calling and attempts to incite in-fighting are tools used by some NT'ers to try to prevent people from rallying together.  When you respond in kind, you are handing them a victory and helping to validate their persecution complexes.  Do you really want to do that?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.

This is true.

[XenaLee]

@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it.   Over the last 20 months there are  innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough.  Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt.   Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.

Don't look now, but......

that dog's dead!     

[XenaLee]

You can't martyr yourself unless you claim persecution.

Well the case could be made for persecution via harassment, insults and basic chiding, mocking and derision from a few of the usual suspect Trump fawns...er... fans.... against the resident Never Trumpers.  I have witnessed it (and experienced it personally) since Day One of our arrival here from TOS.  Depends on your perception and perspective.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Exactly.  That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests.  Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.

You jumped the shark here, my friend.  Your thesis is wrong and unhelpful.

We know we won. We worked hard for the victory everyone told us we could not, would not have.  But we are past that ... gearing up and working for another victory come November.  We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".

We also know with every passing day the President proves he is the right man at the right time.  What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs.  What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years? 

Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT? 

[DCPatriot]

Actually, that's the most important @Mesaclone wrote in his excellent post.  It frankly is ridiculous and juvenile how some people insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance, regardless of whether the issue is Trump or something else.  Very often, that is the match that lights off the explosion around here.  It not only destroys good discussion, but it divides people and causes them to dig in their heels.  It actually works against the political interests of the very people doing that juvenile dance.

No decent-sized group of people is every going to agree on everything.  The rational person will put aside grudges to unite temporary on those issues where there is agreement.  The irrational, petty person decides to hold opinions on other issues against people, and will refuse to work together even on those issues where there is agreement.  Those doing the "I was right and you were wrong dance" are just doing a different variant of that; deliberately pissing off people who are trying to come together on a particular issue.

Oh please stop.

The Briefers that still BRAG about being NTs aren't worth crap.

And pray tell....name just ONE single NT Briefer who is, "...trying to come together on a particular issue".

...got all day.

I got your "issue" right here.  Eff them.

[Emjay]

@Emjay -- it should be relatively easy to be gracious when you're winning.  Name-calling and attempts to incite in-fighting are tools used by some NT'ers to try to prevent people from rallying together.  When you respond in kind, you are handing them a victory and helping to validate their persecution complexes.  Do you really want to do that?

Not really, Major.  But sometimes I get provoked.  I will try to remember your excellent advice in the future.

[DCPatriot]

Exactly.  That's why I said those who insist on doing the "I was right and you were wrong" dance are actually acting against their own political interests.  Apparently, their spite is more important to them than are the issue about which they supposedly care so much.

"Spite", my ass.   It has nothing to do with anything.

THEY are the ones spiting.    And they've been doing it since the Summer of 2015.

[Silver Pines]

“Trump is so flawed as a leader, a politician and as a  human being...”

In two years Trump has accomplished more for conservatives and constitutionists than all the recent republican politicians put together.

Before you pass judgment on President Trump... read a newspaper why don’t you. Your ignorance is a glaring embarrassment. @montanajoe

@aligncare

It's entirely permissible for @montanajoe to dislike Trump.  It isn't a moral sin or a societal disgrace.

[XenaLee]

Hi! Sunshine.

Maybe it's time to get over yourself.  I don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not do.  If stomping your feet for 20 more months works for you @Axeslinger --- I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.

But in all honesty, your snowflake victim charade is terribly disappointing.

So... let me get this straight.  You are terribly disappointed.... yet you claim you don't give a rat's ass what he does.  Logic challenged much?  You contradicted yourself.   

[DCPatriot]

Column: When the Brett Kavanaugh circus ends, we won't forget your sins, Matt Damon

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-brett-kavanaugh-john-kass-20181004-story.html

@Maj. Bill Martin
@Mesaclone

 

[XenaLee]

@aligncare

It's entirely permissible for @montanajoe to dislike Trump.  It isn't a moral sin or a societal disgrace.

And yet, for that he is basically called ignorant.  Ahmazing!

[Silver Pines]

@Right_in_Virginia
That’s just bullshit and you know it.   Over the last 20 months there are  innumerable examples of us being told that we are not compliant enough.  Sorry, but that dog won’t hunt.   Hell that dog won’t even get out of the kennel.

@Axeslinger

Which is why I'm not playing that game anymore.  Screw it.

[XenaLee]

I make that statement based not only via what's being said online, but also what I'm hearing and engaged with in the meat world.

It's not just a few, and I daresay you may very well be a shrinking minority of level-headed non-emoting GOP/Trumps supporters as the polarized effects of what's going on widens.

Well.... all of my friends, family (in various cities) and a few neighbors are now supporting Trump (against the left) and they are extremely level-headed (Ted Cruz-supporting) conservatives.   I just find it very broad-brush painting there when you allow ... again, a scant few vitriolic "ever/always Trumpers" on this forum... to color your view of all of them.  That's not a fair assessment.  Like myself, they are against the Democrats radical leftists, so they will indeed support Trump's agenda of lower taxes, controlled immigration and border, more conservatives on the court and more jobs/less regulations. 

[txradioguy]

That's complete and utter bullshit right there.

If you don't give a rat's ass, you wouldn't be so damn concerned about Conservatives who do not support Trump 'getting over themselves'.

Exactly!

[aligncare]

You jumped the shark here, my friend.  Your thesis is wrong and unhelpful.

We know we won. We worked hard for the victory everyone told us we could not, would not have.  But we are past that ... gearing up and working for another victory come November.  We have neither the need nor the time for "spite".

We also know with every passing day the President proves he is the right man at the right time.  What you so wrongly label "spite" from the President's supporters is actually incredulous frustration with NTs.  What the hell will it take for NTs to get over themselves and the "wounds" they've been nursing for three years? 

Tell me, @Maj. Bill Martin -- what peace offering for defending Donald Trump, what mea culpa for winning the election, what act of self-flagellation for cheering the President's successes will satisfy the NT?

I’m used to arguing with liberals and Leftists and debunking their crazy talk. But, constantly having to beat back lies about Trump on a conservative website is...just wrong.

[Emjay]

Why do I think that most of the people claiming they will stop playing the blame game are secretly thinking up their next clever insult?

[Silver Pines]

@Night Hides Not   I try not to chastise NTers.  I was one myself for a long time.  But you just referred to Trump supporters as Orange Brigadiers, which I admit is a step up from Orange Apes, but still not helpful.

It would be so self-defeating if you let these same Orange colored folks color your opinions to the point that you would refuse to give Trump credit even if you saw that it was deserved and kinda wanted to.

Both sides have been a little cranky with each other and you know that.  But we would welcome you very warmly into the fold.

[Emjay]

Why do I think that most of the people claiming they will stop playing the blame game are secretly thinking up their next clever insult?

Dam it, @Emjay   You are good !!!