Nailed by Steel Tariffs: Trump protectionism is driving a Missouri company to the brink.

[Absalom]

At the time that Washington, through congress, implemented the first Tariff act, it was 5% and that was the entire tax burden on the nation. For the first century, that varied between 5-10%.

Now, the tax burden on the average citizen, Federal, State, Local, Sales, Fees, Federal Interest Rates, and Pass-down costs from Tariffs is well over 50%.

Trump's tariffs are hitting businesses at the rate of 25%+ on imported products. Trump has not gone to Congress, as required by the Constitution to get authorization for said tariffs* (ie, the Representatives of the people). The very definition of taxation without representation. As a reminder, one of the triggers of the Revolutionary war was a 5% tariff stamp on tea enacted by the king, over-riding the colony representation. (remember the whole Boston Tea Party)



* And yes, I know, there are some laws that allow the President to enact tariffs in emergency situations, but all those laws have a very short timetable that he must get authorization from congress (60 days is the longest) and a cap on how much the tariffs can be (15%). The President has not sought Congressional approval for any of these and has well exceeded his legal authority.


I remember when Conservatives used to care about the Constitution and proclaimed we were "Taxed Enough Already" and "Taxation is Theft"... I guess I'm just out of date.. Millennial thinking just files away those old thoughts and laws as relics of the past.

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Repeating, Trump is attempting to change behavior in the
trade arena for the benefit of every taxpayer.
This will not occur until they begin to feel real pain.
As for your 'flouting Congress' whine, start a petition drive.
Your argument should be w/the political frauds and hustlers
who spend compulsively.
Take it up w/them starting w/McConnell and Ryan!

[ABX]

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Repeating, Trump is attempting to change behavior in the
trade arena for the benefit of every taxpayer.
This will not occur until they begin to feel real pain.
As for your 'flouting Congress' whine, start a petition drive.
Your argument should be w/the political frauds and hustlers
who spend compulsively.
Take it up w/them starting w/McConnell and Ryan!

Repeating- it is not his job and it is outside his Constitutional authority.

If Congress doesn't act, it isn't his job to step in. It doesn't get done. That's how our system works.

Do you want the executive branch of the Federal government to have assumed that much power if, god forbid, in 2020 you are faced with a President Oprah? 

If we flout the Constitution on that, what other areas are you willing to give up to Executive branch control? The 2nd Amendment? Do you want the President (whoever that may be) just to ignore the Constitution and ban guns? How about the 5th Amendment? Who needs due process anyway?  What about the 1st Amendment? I hope you like your religion and it is accepted when a President hostile to it comes along.

These aren't stretches. We already saw shades of these abuses under Obama- and Trump is continuing the same type of actions- but because it makes our wallets a bit fatter, people accept them.

[Absalom]

Repeating- it is not his job and it is outside his Constitutional authority.

If Congress doesn't act, it isn't his job to step in. It doesn't get done. That's how our system works.

Do you want the executive branch of the Federal government to have assumed that much power if, god forbid, in 2020 you are faced with a President Oprah? 

If we flout the Constitution on that, what other areas are you willing to give up to Executive branch control? The 2nd Amendment? Do you want the President (whoever that may be) just to ignore the Constitution and ban guns? How about the 5th Amendment? Who needs due process anyway?  What about the 1st Amendment? I hope you like your religion and it is accepted when a President hostile to it comes along.

These aren't stretches. We already saw shades of these abuses under Obama- and Trump is continuing the same type of actions- but because it makes our wallets a bit fatter, people accept them.

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Hmm................. ok, keep banging on your constitution drum!
At least Trump is trying to achieve benefit for the greater good.

[roamer_1]

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Repeating, Trump is attempting to change behavior in the
trade arena for the benefit of every taxpayer.
This will not occur until they begin to feel real pain.

So the ends justify the means. Man, I sure see a whole lot of that around here. That ain't conservative.

As for your 'flouting Congress' whine, start a petition drive.
Your argument should be w/the political frauds and hustlers
who spend compulsively.
Take it up w/them starting w/McConnell and Ryan!

Tumpy the Wonder Clown signed everything they are spending.

[Frank Cannon]

That's how our system works.

That is exactly how our system works. Wanna know why? Because it is being done.

This is how the country is run now and there isn't a thing you can do to stop it because Congress doesn't want to get involved.

[skeeter]

So the ends justify the means. Man, I sure see a whole lot of that around here. That ain't conservative.

"Ends justifies the means" is just another way to describe taking action.

Something else the GOPe totally sucks at. They're much more comfortable doing nothing, as are their camp followers.

[roamer_1]

"Ends justifies the means" is just another way to describe taking action.

Something else the GOPe totally sucks at. They're much more comfortable doing nothing, as are their camp followers.

Horsecrap. We are a nation of laws, dammit.

And the ends never justify the means. Continuing down that road will leave you barren.

[ABX]

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Hmm................. ok, keep banging on your constitution drum!
At least Trump is trying to achieve benefit for the greater good.

A greater good huh? So you fall into the camp: "there is no sacrifice too great for a great nation  if it is for the greater good"?

[INVAR]

A greater good huh? So you fall into the camp: "there is no sacrifice too great for a great nation  if it is for the greater good"?

That is where all of this goes.... and to thunderous applause from both the Democrats and Trump/Establishment Republicans.

[roamer_1]

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Hmm................. ok, keep banging on your constitution drum!
At least Trump is trying to achieve benefit for the greater good.

[roamer_1]

That is where all of this goes.... and to thunderous applause from both the Democrats and Trump/Establishment Republicans.

It is stunning in ignorance.
liberty is flapping her wings for flight
and the Glory is on the very threshold of the Temple.

What foul thing is this that calls itself conservatism?

[roamer_1]

Conservatism begins in Goldwater civil-libertarianism.
In federalism. In strict constructionism.
In the rule of LAW.

That IS the Constitutional drum-beat.
without that, it is not Conservatism.

[roamer_1]

And it stinks of Europe.
Like unwashed people and bad cheese.

[INVAR]

It is stunning in ignorance.
liberty is flapping her wings for flight
and the Glory is on the very threshold of the Temple.

What foul thing is this that calls itself conservatism?

"No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." II Corinthians 11:14

[roamer_1]

For the Greater Good.

[skeeter]

For the Greater Good.

Well which is it guys - are those who disagree with you just fascists or are they actually satan?

[roamer_1]

Well which is it guys - are those who disagree with you just fascists or are they actually satan?

You are not disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with the very basis-in-fact of the US Constitution.

There is nothing more to say.

[skeeter]

You are not disagreeing with me. You are disagreeing with the very basis-in-fact of the US Constitution.

hyperbole
[hahy-pur-buh-lee]

noun Rhetoric.

a) obvious and intentional exaggeration.
b) an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

[Hoodat]

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Hmm................. ok, keep banging on your constitution drum!
At least Trump is trying to achieve benefit for the greater good.

I recall Time magazine saying the same thing about Adolf Hitler when they named him Man-of-the-Year.

[Frank Cannon]

Conservatism begins in Goldwater civil-libertarianism.

So Edmund Burke was a poser?

[skeeter]

I recall Time magazine saying the same thing about Adolf Hitler when they named him Man-of-the-Year.

[roamer_1]

So Edmund Burke was a poser?

You mean the expounder of virtue and morality? The guy who insisted upon the necessity of good manners? THAT's who you are trying to align Tumpsterism with?

Ha ha ha. It is to laugh.

[Frank Cannon]

You mean the expounder of virtue and morality? The guy who insisted upon the necessity of good manners? THAT's who you are trying to align Tumpsterism with?

Ha ha ha. It is to laugh.

Better than any of the people you drag on this forum pretending that they matter. Castle? He wipes his ass with his bare hands and cleans them on the drapes he is so stupid.

Trump gets results.

[roamer_1]

Better than any of the people you drag on this forum pretending that they matter. Castle? He wipes his ass with his bare hands and cleans them on the drapes he is so stupid.

Trump gets results.

What results?

[corbe]

   Whoa there @Frank Cannon I voted for the Constitution Party, not Darrell Castle.  I know that's a foreign concept to you because your Party Platform has been sold to the highest bidder, Trump INC.