‘Get Ready’ For the Perils Of Impeachment

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‘Get Ready’ For the Perils Of Impeachment
By SETH LIPSKY, From the New York Post | August 22, 2018

None too soon to think about the prospect of impeachment. It’s in the headlines, after all, in the wake of the guilty verdicts against Paul Manafortand the guilty pleas by Michael Cohen.

It may be claimed that none of the crimes of President Trump’s ex-campaign manager and ex-personal lawyer directly implicate the president. Not yet, anyhow — though Cohen is insisting he was directed by Trump to violate campaign-finance laws.

And Cohen is now practically begging to sing against Mr. Trump to special counsel Robert Mueller. Manafort, found guilty on Tuesday of eight counts against him, is already reported to be considering all options — and faces yet another trial next month.

No wonder the Web is fizzing with talk of impeachment.

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[skeeter]

The media is giddy with impeachment talk.

There's still that pesky 'high crime and misdemeanor' thing to work out, though.

[INVAR]

The media is giddy with impeachment talk.

There's still that pesky 'high crime and misdemeanor' thing to work out, though.

Why is Hillary not in an orange jumpsuit if 'high crimes and misdemeanors' are actionable??

That said, Trump just continues to hand the Democrats all the rope and ammunition they need to make his public political execution the next Reality TV show.

Of course - given that he surrounded himself with "Only the BEST people" - means there is an endless supply of circus clowns we will get to watch perform for us.

[Wingnut]

The media is giddy with impeachment talk.

The media and Invar. 

[skeeter]

The media and Invar.

There'll be alot more neener neener posts if impeachment happens & the nation burns.

The most important thing, of course, is that everyone knows "I was right".

[XenaLee]

The media is giddy with impeachment talk.

There's still that pesky 'high crime and misdemeanor' thing to work out, though.

Right.  Pesky in that.... thus far... there is no evidence of such crimes.  They are hoping to 'create' the necessary crimes.  Honestly... I think this nation isn't long for this world... when our ""justice system"" has reached this level of depravity where a certain faction has such leeway to create crimes for the purpose of eliminating members of one political party... while looking the other way and allowing members of another political party who are clearly guilty of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' of skating justice.   We should face the fact... we're already at banana republic lows, thanks to the radical leftists seeking to destroy us from within.   Meanwhile... our enemies without are laughing...

and pointing.... and laughing... and pointing.

[skeeter]

Right.  Pesky in that.... thus far... there is no evidence of such crimes.  They are hoping to 'create' the necessary crimes.  Honestly... I think this nation isn't long for this world... when our ""justice system"" has reached this level of depravity where a certain faction has such leeway to create crimes for the purpose of eliminating members of one political party... while looking the other way and allowing members of another political party who are clearly guilty of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' of skating justice.   We should face the fact... we're already at banana republic lows, thanks to the radical leftists seeking to destroy us from within.   Meanwhile... our enemies without are laughing...

and pointing.... and laughing... and pointing.

What flummoxes me is the depth of hatred directed at this man coming from our own side.

I would've thought the depth of depravity of the state and the obvious threat their actions represent would have driven them to defend Trump by now, in spite of his obvious flaws.

At some point I believed the old 'enemy of my enemy' thing would've kicked in. Another thing I was wrong about.

[XenaLee]

What flummoxes me is the depth of hatred directed at this man coming from our own side.

Trump's election has been an eye-opening event in that it has revealed... and forced certain factions to expose themselves (pardon imagery) as to what they really are... ie NOT on "our side" (meaning the conservative side).  They hate him for the same reasons the left hates him.  He used to be one of them AND he now threatens to expose them and their deeds and motives.

I would've thought the depth of depravity of the state and the obvious threat their actions represent would have driven them to defend Trump by now, in spite of his obvious flaws.

At some point I believed the old 'enemy of my enemy' thing would've kicked in. Another thing I was wrong about.

And again... if they are really on 'the other side'... the threat is coming from them, also. 

What gets me is that so many supposedly intelligent people are blind to what that threat really entails.  This 'silent coup' could get real ugly.... real quick.  Those of us that recognize that threat need to face that possibility and prepare for it....

just in case.

[skeeter]

Trump's election has been an eye-opening event in that it has revealed... and forced certain factions to expose themselves (pardon imagery) as to what they really are... ie NOT on "our side" (meaning the conservative side).  They hate him for the same reasons the left hates him.  He used to be one of them AND he now threatens to expose them and their deeds and motives.

And again... if they are really on 'the other side'... the threat is coming from them, also. 

What gets me is that so many supposedly intelligent people are blind to what that threat really entails.  This 'silent coup' could get real ugly.... real quick.  Those of us that recognize that threat need to face that possibility and prepare for it....

just in case.

I'm an avid reader of history & this is what I tell everyone in my circle who'll listen. When the big event comes it'll come faster than anyone can imagine.

[catfish1957]

I'm an avid reader of history & this is what I tell everyone in my circle who'll listen. When the big event comes it'll come faster than anyone can imagine.

I'm old enough to remember August 1974 very well.  In July there was still a pretty good consensus that Nixon could survive Watergate.  When it happened (resignation) it happened fast.

[XenaLee]

I'm an avid reader of history & this is what I tell everyone in my circle who'll listen. When the big event comes it'll come faster than anyone can imagine.

Agreed.   As Trump said today... and no, he wasn't exaggerating.... if they succeed in their silent coup against him and his administration and presidency... the economy will tank and we will be in a crisis, constitutional and otherwise.   It will be a win-win for America's enemies within AND without... because we will be at a VERY vulnerable state.  I suspect that's what they're salivating over and waiting for.  Their chance to pounce.

[skeeter]

I'm old enough to remember August 1974 very well.  In July there was still a pretty good consensus that Nixon could survive Watergate.  When it happened (resignation) it happened fast.

Sure. It happened when the good old republican party decided it didn't have the stomach to fight.

Spinelessness is something at which they excel.

[catfish1957]

Sure. It happened when the good old republican party decided it didn't have the stomach to fight.

Spinelessness is something at which they excel.

Exactly.  I understand that the day before Nixon's staff couldn't muster 34 republican senators  who would promise not to convict. 

[INVAR]

What flummoxes me is the depth of hatred directed at this man coming from our own side.

Trump was never on 'my side' and did not represent what principles Trump's fanbase insisted we abandon in order to support him.  If disagreement and criticism is now 'hatred' by the standards of the Left and Trump fans - then oh well.  They've done nothing to persuade us, only to ostracize and ridicule us.

Consequences my friend.  Consequences.  They were inevitable.

I would've thought the depth of depravity of the state and the obvious threat their actions represent would have driven them to defend Trump by now, in spite of his obvious flaws.

Trump and his fans said early on that he did not need nor want our support.  Trump's people said we were irrelevant.  Trump's fanatics declared us enemies of the people.

Why the hell would we defend them or the object of their affections?

They get to twist out there with the Marxists on their own.

At some point I believed the old 'enemy of my enemy' thing would've kicked in. Another thing I was wrong about.

The mob of Trump fanatics made us the enemy while they joined up with the liberals to support a man they claimed was our political savior.

So yes, to think we would kick in after all the crap flung at us - you would be wrong.

[skeeter]

Exactly.  I understand that the day before Nixon's staff couldn't muster 34 republican senators  who would promise not to convict.

But impeachment wasn't the big event to which I referred.

Once half of the country realizes they have been totally disenfranchised, or when the left realizes there is really nothing between them and total power, thats when things will get exciting.

[skeeter]

Trump was never on 'my side' and did not represent what principles Trump's fanbase insisted we abandon in order to support him.  If disagreement and criticism is now 'hatred' by the standards of the Left and Trump fans - then oh well.  They've done nothing to persuade us, only to ostracize and ridicule us.

Consequences my friend.  Consequences.  They were inevitable.

Trump and his fans said early on that he did not need nor want our support.  Trump's people said we were irrelevant.  Trump's fanatics declared us enemies of the people.

Why the hell would we defend them or the object of their affections?

They get to twist out there with the Marxists on their own.

The mob of Trump fanatics made us the enemy while they joined up with the liberals to support a man they claimed was our political savior.

So yes, to think we would kick in after all the crap flung at us - you would be wrong.

The only thing you're convincing me of, Invar, is that you really know how to hold a grudge.

[catfish1957]

But impeachment wasn't the big event to which I referred.

Yeah, Nixon hadn't gotten to that point, but believe me, he and the staff were crunching the numbers determining survivability, and those numbers weren't looking good.

Secondly I feel Nixon was patriot.  His biggest crime was defending his subordinates who had strayed.  The buck stopped there.  I truly think he resigned for the good of the country rather than prolonging the agony.

Contrast that to the present POTUS who throws anyone in trouble under the bus at the speed of light.  If this goes to a worst case escalation , he'll have his fingers scratching the Resolute Desk on the way out.

[XenaLee]

Trump was never on 'my side' and did not represent what principles Trump's fanbase insisted we abandon in order to support him.  If disagreement and criticism is now 'hatred' by the standards of the Left and Trump fans - then oh well.  They've done nothing to persuade us, only to ostracize and ridicule us.

You misread what he said.   The "depth of hatred coming from our own side" means the RINOs and GOP Never Trumpers.... not Trump himself.  And yes, it is hatred because they fear him and what he represents... ie the end of their ssdd endless gravy train at taxpayers' expense if he is successful.

Consequences my friend.  Consequences.  They were inevitable.

Trump and his fans said early on that he did not need nor want our support.  Trump's people said we were irrelevant.  Trump's fanatics declared us enemies of the people.

Why the hell would we defend them or the object of their affections?

Because... the "object of their hatred" is also the US Constitution, our nation and our future freedom IN this nation.... and their actions are threatening all of us, ultimately.  (duh)

They get to twist out there with the Marxists on their own.

The mob of Trump fanatics made us the enemy while they joined up with the liberals to support a man they claimed was our political savior.

So yes, to think we would kick in after all the crap flung at us - you would be wrong.

"They" get to twist?   You'll be twisting too if the left succeeds in their attempts to get Trump out.  Don't kid yourself.  The economy is booming right now.  If they succeed, we'll probably be thrown into another deep depression due to the constitutional crisis it will cause.... since enough people know EXACTLY what's going on re: this, now.  Enough to rise  up and try to stop it, quite probably.  (Think 'that civil war' that folks have been predicting for a while now)

[skeeter]

Contrast that to the present POTUS who throws anyone in trouble under the bus at the speed of light.  If this goes to a worst case escalation , he'll have his fingers scratching the Resolute Desk on the way out.

I think even speculating about Trump resigning, without a single shred of evidence he did anything remotely approaching a high crime or misdemeanor, an indication of how ridiculous the state of political discourse has become.

[catfish1957]

I think even speculating about Trump resigning, without a single shred of evidence he did anything remotely approaching a high crime or misdemeanor, an indication of how ridiculous the state of political discourse has become.

Uhh....  didn't Trump just admit paying off bimbos on Fox and Friends (now unknowingly) (Campaign finance violation?)

Not saying this is impeachable, but you just said he did nothing as a "high crime or misdemeanor"

[XenaLee]

Uhh....  didn't Trump just admit paying off bimbos on Fox and Friends (now unknowingly) (Campaign finance violation?)

Not saying this is impeachable, but you just said he did nothing as a "high crime or misdemeanor"

Lol.... if paying off bimbos was a "high crime and misdemeanor"... many if not most of Congress would be behind bars.   Did you forget about the 'secret' fund to settle such lawsuits that our Congresscritters have been forcing taxpayers to pay for ... for how long now???  That, plus he used his own money, not the campaign money, for that payoff.  Gadzooks... why the hell am I being forced to defend Trump now?  What evil wind blows here?  lolol

[roamer_1]

What flummoxes me is the depth of hatred directed at this man coming from our own side.

I would've thought the depth of depravity of the state and the obvious threat their actions represent would have driven them to defend Trump by now, in spite of his obvious flaws.

At some point I believed the old 'enemy of my enemy' thing would've kicked in. Another thing I was wrong about.

It's those pesky principles.
Ask yourself why I am willing to go to the mat for Duncan Hunter Jr or for Judge Roy Moore, but not for Tump.

[Wingnut]

I like a good 'peachment.  SO do the Cable news networks.  It is good for ratings and that is why you will see the liberal masters a cnn's msnbc and others will ratchet up the noise for proceedings to start. 
It's all about ratings. 

Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation; this tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers; this tube is the most awesome damn propaganda force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people..... And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome damn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?

[catfish1957]

Lol.... if paying off bimbos was a "high crime and misdemeanor"... many if not most of Congress would be behind bars.   Did you forget about the 'secret' fund to settle such lawsuits that our Congresscritters have been forcing taxpayers to pay for ... for how long now???  That, plus he used his own money, not the campaign money, for that payoff.  Gadzooks... why the hell am I being forced to defend Trump now?  What evil wind blows here?  lolol

Have our moral standards dropped so low, that we accept bimbo payoffs as the norm for leaders?  Plus do we have absolute proof that this money was not tied to campaign?  And furthermore, in the iceberg tip department......    What else is out there that we need to worry about.   Trump is sleazy.  Trump has given us many reasons to consider him untrustworthy.

And finally you missed this part where I stated "NOT SAYING THIS IS IMPEACHABLE".

I don't want the guy impeached, but would like to see him replaced with a better choice come 2020.

[skeeter]

Uhh....  didn't Trump just admit paying off bimbos on Fox and Friends (now unknowingly) (Campaign finance violation?)

Not saying this is impeachable, but you just said he did nothing as a "high crime or misdemeanor"

I do not believe any campaign finance violation has been established, regardless of what Cohen pled to.