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Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump

by David Leach • July 31, 2018


If you’re a regular reader or listener of the Strident Conservative, hopefully both, you know that my central mission is to be a leading voice in the call for a return to conservatism and the Constitution. Since I place these values above political parties, I am an equal opportunity critic, holding members of every political stripe accountable when they fail to uphold these values.

Obviously, this puts me at odds with Democrats and the far-left, but it also puts me at odds with Republicans and so-called conservatives — a position that isn’t very lucrative personally nor professionally. Unlike membership in an exclusive club, standing for my principles carries a host of disadvantages, but that hasn’t always been the case.

In the days of Obama, standing for conservative values was easy. After all, Obama was a Democrat with heavy socialist leanings. Opposing him was not only acceptable, but it gave rise to the TEA Party and other conservative groups, and it was responsible for giving the GOP control of Congress.

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2018, 07:53:08 pm »
Clue: 

A narrow definition together with "stridency" is a formula for loneliness, for certain.

Common sense, earned of experience, instructs one to adjust the blades, such that enough furrows are opened in the field, to yield some actual production of useful crops, and to be able to feed the troops.

Else wise one mght as well sit alone under a tree, masturbate and talk to one's self. 

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2018, 08:23:06 pm »
Clue: 

A narrow definition together with "stridency" is a formula for loneliness, for certain.

Principled persons will stand on principles, even if they stand alone.  It is what sets us apart from those with zero foundations or principles that change with the wind, meaning they stand for nothing but themselves and their own enrichment.

Common sense, earned of experience, instructs one to adjust the blades, such that enugh furrows are opened in the field, to yield some actual production of useful crops, and to be able to feed the troops.

You don't do that by discarding who and what you are just to get a 'win'.  Reminds me of the idiots who insist I should have an open mind to everything that is antithetical to what Conservatism was supposed to be, just to register a 'win'.  Accepting more big government liberalism as long as it's from their own ranks with minds opened so wide that their brains fell out.

Else wise one mght as well sit alone under a tree, masturbate and talk to one's self.

At least you don't dash your brains to oblivion on the rocks below the cliff you dove off of with the rest of the lemming herd.
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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2018, 08:41:08 pm »
I've enjoyed his broadcasts on Salem.

Where I think Leach differs from a lot of people we hear about is that Leach says, now he rejects the GOP because it is Trump's GOP while, a good deal of the people I hear from rejected the GOP well before Trump.

It would be good to see some consistency rather than the "he's trashing the GOP, good, I agree with him".

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2018, 08:57:13 pm »
I've enjoyed his broadcasts on Salem.

Where I think Leach differs from a lot of people we hear about is that Leach says, now he rejects the GOP because it is Trump's GOP while, a good deal of the people I hear from rejected the GOP well before Trump.

It would be good to see some consistency rather than the "he's trashing the GOP, good, I agree with him".

rejecting the GOP because it is Trump's GOP is not a productive pursuit. (in other words being AGAINST)

Being FOR somebody or something is more fruitful.


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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2018, 09:00:57 pm »
Being FOR somebody or something is more fruitful.

Which he states in the very first sentence:

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2018, 09:07:43 pm »
@corbe

Interesting article.  For those of y’all saying the author rejected the GOP post-Trump, it looks to me like he did it beforehand.  “ Spineless cowards” isn’t a compliment.

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2018, 10:45:50 pm »
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Obviously, this puts me at odds with Democrats and the far-left, but it also puts me at odds with Republicans and so-called conservatives

Being at odds with everyone on the political spectrum also makes one ineffective.


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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2018, 10:53:23 pm »
From the article:
Trump’s “new” brand of conservatism is nothing but a pile of reheated nationalism leftovers from the 1930’s mixed with a bit of big-government progressivism and sprinkled with a dash of 1984. Not a dish I care to try.

Instead, I will remain on the path of my principles. It will be a lonely journey, but I’d rather the right road alone than walk the wrong road with the crowd.



That's damn well right.

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2018, 11:04:18 pm »
Being at odds with everyone on the political spectrum also makes one ineffective.

What is the point of effecting something you don't want? In fact, endorsing the opposite of what you want?

meh. This is so 'Cable TV'... You buy into it because everybody does. And there's quite a bit about it you don't like, but for the sake of a very few things you do like, you keep paying for it... for decades.

Then you wake up one day, realizing that for the very few things that you do like (and even they have diminished over the years), you are enabling and paying for all the things you hate and abhor, and the things you hate are what are growing, while the things you like are slipping away... You can't have one without the other, they say, because of bundling.

But I can have neither. Time to pull the plug.

And then you find out about the vast alternatives out there, and that there are SO MANY people that have gone the same way as you... You are not alone at all, by any means. Only now, you get the things you like, ala carte, without supporting what you abhor.

It is refreshing and healthy.

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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2018, 11:41:55 pm »
rejecting the GOP because it is Trump's GOP is not a productive pursuit. (in other words being AGAINST)

Some of us saw what they were doing the last two conventions and the 8 years of Obama and decided it was time to stop practicing insanity.

The GOP has little to show for itself since Reagan left office, and the contempt they and their leadership have shown Conservatives -has ended my support or relationship with them or any of their candidates.  Period.

It's time to start over somewhere else.

Being at odds with everyone on the political spectrum also makes one ineffective.

I don't care anymore.  If the party and the people want big government socialism and statism, they shall have it and make all kinds of excuses for supporting it.

I will not jump on that bandwagon simply to lie to myself and say that I can make a difference in a wholly corrupted and adrift party from my own principles.

For some of us, it's not about a Pyrrhic victory making us feel good that we won an election.  We've seen the empty rotten fruits of doing that for decades, and I'm tired of voting against the greater evil by voting for the lesser evil.

Christianity spread and grew despite the fact they were at odds with absolutely everyone else and refused to compromise with the traditions and beliefs of everyone around them.
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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2018, 11:56:12 pm »
What is the point of effecting something you don't want? In fact, endorsing the opposite of what you want? ...

I'm not talking about endorsing ... I'm talking about joining, becoming a part of something beyond the image in the mirror.

Self-ostracizing accomplishes nothing.  The smart move is for conservatives to move out of their own way and join forces with those who will help turn conservative ideas into policy --- one policy at a time.  Stop worrying so much about political branding and garnering credit. 

The only way to accomplish a conservative agenda is for conservatives to work and play well with others  --- this is essential.  It is the political equivalent of "Join, or die".

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« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2018, 11:58:35 pm »
Some of us saw what they were doing the last two conventions and the 8 years of Obama and decided it was time to stop practicing insanity.

The GOP has little to show for itself since Reagan left office, and the contempt they and their leadership have shown Conservatives -has ended my support or relationship with them or any of their candidates.  Period.

It's time to start over somewhere else.

I don't care anymore.  If the party and the people want big government socialism and statism, they shall have it and make all kinds of excuses for supporting it.

I will not jump on that bandwagon simply to lie to myself and say that I can make a difference in a wholly corrupted and adrift party from my own principles.

For some of us, it's not about a Pyrrhic victory making us feel good that we won an election.  We've seen the empty rotten fruits of doing that for decades, and I'm tired of voting against the greater evil by voting for the lesser evil.

@INVAR

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I could probably search my posts at TOS and find numerous examples where I encouraged others to toe the line...”we just couldn’t let the libs destroy the country”...”this was the most important election in our lives”.

I finally came to the realization that at least half of my countrymen are just as corrupt as our elected officials.   If they want to burn it down, have us at our throats leading us to dissolution, hatred and bloodshed...then so be it...let’s get it on so my sons have a chance at some semblance of freedom.
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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2018, 12:07:19 am »
@INVAR

:amen:

I could probably search my posts at TOS and find numerous examples where I encouraged others to toe the line...”we just couldn’t let the libs destroy the country”...”this was the most important election in our lives”.

I finally came to the realization that at least half of my countrymen are just as corrupt as our elected officials.   If they want to burn it down, have us at our throats leading us to dissolution, hatred and bloodshed...then so be it...let’s get it on so my sons have a chance at some semblance of freedom.

I remember pitching to FTFU Freepers that hated McCain to just hold their nose and vote for Palin..... which is what I ended up doing.   I don't do that any more.   
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2018, 12:31:25 am »
I'm not talking about endorsing ... I'm talking about joining, becoming a part of something beyond the image in the mirror.

Some of you people in the Republican Party and their leadership have made it abundantly clear that fundamental Conservative principles are held in the same contempt the Left holds them.  Why should we allow ourselves continue to be part of that?  I wasted 3 decades of money, time and sore feet supporting a party and their candidates who loathe my foundations as much as the Democrats do, and they made it no secret and were out in the open about it.

We were clearly told to bend the knee and tow the line or get out of your party.

I obliged.

Self-ostracizing accomplishes nothing. 

Wrong.  Recognizing the disease and rot as the incurable corruption it is, is the first step towards surviving.

The smart move is for conservatives to move out of their own way and join forces with those who will help turn conservative ideas into policy --- one policy at a time.

That is not going to happen within the GOP.  That much is self-evident and was made crystal clear to those with ears to hear.

The only way to accomplish a conservative agenda is for conservatives to work and play well with others  --- this is essential.  It is the political equivalent of "Join, or die".

We you are welcome to go and play well with the liberal statists to your heart's content and adopt their agenda as your own while they continue to reject what you pay lip service to.

I'm done compromising.
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2018, 12:45:04 am »
I'm not talking about endorsing ... I'm talking about joining, becoming a part of something beyond the image in the mirror.

That is endorsement.

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Self-ostracizing accomplishes nothing.  The smart move is for conservatives to move out of their own way and join forces with those who will help turn conservative ideas into policy --- one policy at a time.  Stop worrying so much about political branding and garnering credit. 

The only way to accomplish a conservative agenda is for conservatives to work and play well with others  --- this is essential.  It is the political equivalent of "Join, or die".

'Self-ostracizing', as you put it, does indeed accomplish much, in aggregate. It is exactly the same thing in spirit which drives 'voting against', except in its proper form.

And your agenda is bereft without the principles that used to under-gird it. It isn't about the agenda - That is why you can cheer his tax cut and his nearly $3T in spending at the same time - That's what happens when the principles have been sacrificed.
 

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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2018, 12:50:45 am »
Well this stupid azzhole can go stand in the muddy field by himself while the rest of the world continues on. This sudden adherence to "Conservatism" and "The Constitution" by these dead enders amuses me because this lot of buffoons were front and center seal clapping what a swell guy Bush was and how classy he was when he was President, but now since the vulgarian Trump is in charge it is a disaster. It doesn't matter to any of these frauds that Trump is operating closer to Coolidge and Reagan than any other President the last 2 centuries. 

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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2018, 03:11:35 am »
Well this stupid azzhole can go stand in the muddy field by himself while the rest of the world continues on. This sudden adherence to "Conservatism" and "The Constitution" by these dead enders amuses me because this lot of buffoons were front and center seal clapping what a swell guy Bush was and how classy he was when he was President, but now since the vulgarian Trump is in charge it is a disaster. It doesn't matter to any of these frauds that Trump is operating closer to Coolidge and Reagan than any other President the last 2 centuries.
Thank you for illustrating the futility in "joining to change things". Those of us who didn't approve of some of the things Bush went for had little choice, Right?

Now that I have seen that error, in that we had no chance of changing the corrupt mechanisms of self serving government from inside, no matter which side of the aisle is involved, and that calls for a return to the Constitution were largely ignored or regarded with contempt by supposed allies in the GOP while they paid lip support for our earnest presence during their campaigns and at the polls, I'll  no longer will contribute to the numbers trampling the meadows of America into mud.
It doesn't matter which foot you lead with (left or right), the result is the same, only the clash of those marching clockwise with those marching counter clockwise is conflict, for the edification and delight of the masses, and to fill interminable hours of newsbabble.

As for "moving on", well that is a fine illusion, but the same basic issues of my youth are still pertinentm over 50 years later.

We haven't 'moved on' as a nation, we've been going in circles.

When the Kabuke is done, on the Hill, they all go to much the same cocktail parties after the cameras shut down and discuss ways to milk the suckers (voters) while giving the appearance of having 'done something', and find new ways to enrich themselves and their most earnest patrons. Face it, almost no one could afford to run for those jobs if they had to pay for it out of their own salary for the job they are running for. That would make as much sense as racking up a 100 grand in student loan debts for a minimum wage job.
(No wonder Hollywood types think they should carry so much political weight, they are (arguably) better actors, and their production and cinematography are slicker, and their declared paychecks tend to be better.)

As for me, I'll sit here on my (not so) lonely spot, and watch the circle jerk continue. I am far from alone. I have been joined by a growing multitude of others who believe that our Constitution exists as something more than a flag to wave to try to bring more suckers to kick in more money or a banner to hide nefarious bullshit behind. We realize a simple return to principle could solve many issues that have been at the forefront in the past half century (I don't count those tender years when I wasn't paying much attention to politics, before junior high school).

Funny how many more are awakening to that fact, that neither Party serves either the People nor the Constitution, but only themselves while they pay lip service to both.

While Trump has done some good things, they are as fragile as the next counterstroke of a pen. Without Congress at least passing legislation which will make those changes more difficult to reverse, they are fragile, and as subject to removal as the Obama doctrine they reversed.
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Re: Walking the lonely conservative road in the Age of Trump (Leach)
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2018, 03:17:27 am »
   Damn good post @Smokin Joe
   You are far from alone!
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2018, 03:23:12 am »

Funny how many more are awakening to that fact, that neither Party serves either the People nor the Constitution, but only themselves while they pay lip service to both.


Pretty sure there was this guy that warned us about that some time ago.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2018, 03:24:20 am »
Thank you for illustrating the futility in "joining to change things". Those of us who didn't approve of some of the things Bush went for had little choice, Right?

Now that I have seen that error, in that we had no chance of changing the corrupt mechanisms of self serving government from inside, no matter which side of the aisle is involved, and that calls for a return to the Constitution were largely ignored or regarded with contempt by supposed allies in the GOP while they paid lip support for our earnest presence during their campaigns and at the polls, I'll  no longer will contribute to the numbers trampling the meadows of America into mud.
It doesn't matter which foot you lead with (left or right), the result is the same, only the clash of those marching clockwise with those marching counter clockwise is conflict, for the edification and delight of the masses, and to fill interminable hours of newsbabble.

As for "moving on", well that is a fine illusion, but the same basic issues of my youth are still pertinentm over 50 years later.

We haven't 'moved on' as a nation, we've been going in circles.

When the Kabuke is done, on the Hill, they all go to much the same cocktail parties after the cameras shut down and discuss ways to milk the suckers (voters) while giving the appearance of having 'done something', and find new ways to enrich themselves and their most earnest patrons. Face it, almost no one could afford to run for those jobs if they had to pay for it out of their own salary for the job they are running for. That would make as much sense as racking up a 100 grand in student loan debts for a minimum wage job.
(No wonder Hollywood types think they should carry so much political weight, they are (arguably) better actors, and their production and cinematography are slicker, and their declared paychecks tend to be better.)

As for me, I'll sit here on my (not so) lonely spot, and watch the circle jerk continue. I am far from alone. I have been joined by a growing multitude of others who believe that our Constitution exists as something more than a flag to wave to try to bring more suckers to kick in more money or a banner to hide nefarious bullshit behind. We realize a simple return to principle could solve many issues that have been at the forefront in the past half century (I don't count those tender years when I wasn't paying much attention to politics, before junior high school).

Funny how many more are awakening to that fact, that neither Party serves either the People nor the Constitution, but only themselves while they pay lip service to both.

While Trump has done some good things, they are as fragile as the next counterstroke of a pen. Without Congress at least passing legislation which will make those changes more difficult to reverse, they are fragile, and as subject to removal as the Obama doctrine they reversed.

I love how everyone pretends like there was a time over the last 100+ years where there was some Constitution driven government running this country. There hasn't been. It's a unicorn that purist blabber about to make themselves sound erudite. Christ, Lincoln flushed the Constitution down the toilet for the "better good" and he is on the damn currency......twice. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2018, 03:28:43 am »
I love how everyone pretends like there was a time over the last 100+ years where there was some Constitution driven government running this country. There hasn't been. It's a unicorn that purist blabber about to make themselves sound erudite. Christ, Lincoln flushed the Constitution down the toilet for the "better good" and he is on the damn currency......twice.

As a wise man once said when asked what form of government had been established, "A republic, if you can... oh crap, already???"

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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2018, 03:31:14 am »
   Damn good post @Smokin Joe
   You are far from alone!
Thanks. There are legions of disillusioned former political warriors out there who have been convinced they are alone. I think Nixon's 'Silent Majority' exists, and remains without much voice only because it has yet to reach a mic that hasn't had the power cut. The solution to this country's ills lies not in changing who is filching from the petty cash, but in finding honest employees (in principles). The best place to look for carefully considered principles, in political terms, lies in those espoused in the Constitution and Bill of Rights and in other seminal documents of this country's founding.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2018, 03:33:11 am »
   Seems like you're plugging for Trump to suspend Habeas Corpus and start another civil war there @Frank Cannon, so we can make another commemorative coin, perhaps?
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2018, 03:35:20 am »
   Seems like you're plugging for Trump to suspend Habeas Corpus and start another civil war there @Frank Cannon, so we can make another commemorative coin, perhaps?

That'd be cool. I'd like to see the south's ass kicked again.