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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2018, 01:50:42 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 28, 2018, 01:46:36 am
Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can

I don't want the president to "control himself", if that means being other than who he is.

I want him to keep BEING "himself", as much or more than he's doing now.

I want him to TURN UP the heat and the pressure on the left and the media.

And I don't care if that galls any of you NT's reading this.

@Fishrrman did you read the article?
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2018, 02:00:38 am »
   You certainly galled me, @Fishrrman

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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2018, 02:16:43 am »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 28, 2018, 01:46:36 am
Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can

I don't want the president to "control himself", if that means being other than who he is.

I want him to keep BEING "himself", as much or more than he's doing now.

I want him to TURN UP the heat and the pressure on the left and the media.

And I don't care if that galls any of you NT's reading this.

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2018, 03:08:07 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 28, 2018, 01:50:42 am
@Fishrrman did you read the article?

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Why do you have these unreasonable expectations?  People want to emote.
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2018, 03:22:54 am »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on July 28, 2018, 03:08:07 am
@Sanguine

Why do you have these unreasonable expectations?  People want to emote.

Yes, I'm an starry-eyed optimist.
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2018, 06:10:25 am »
Quote from: skeeter on July 26, 2018, 11:25:28 pm
Trump is trying to do what he promised and largely successfully. If the GOP loses the house this year it will be because the GOP elite and their wounded pride couldn't get over the 2016 election they were so wrong about.

No.  Wrong.

If they lose their hold on power, it will be precisely because they broke all their campaign promises and governed just like Democrats to the point that there is zero discernible difference between them.
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2018, 11:06:38 am »
Quote from: INVAR on July 28, 2018, 06:10:25 am
No.  Wrong.

If they lose their hold on power, it will be precisely because they broke all their campaign promises and governed just like Democrats to the point that there is zero discernible difference between them.

IMO, the Orange Brigadiers are laying the ground work to blame everyone else if things don’t go well in November. When things go well, it’s because Trump is so fantastic. When things don’t go so well, it’s because Trump is being held back.
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2018, 12:12:47 pm »
Trump won by razor-thin margins in several key battleground states (e.g., Michigan by 0.23% of the vote; Wisconsin by 0.77%; Pennsylvania by 0.71%; Florida by 1.2%).  Those four states represent 75 electoral votes.  It wouldn’t take him losing too many independents to flip those.  I just don’t believe he can get re-elected with his current appeal-to-the-base-at-all-cost mentality.  They aren’t going anywhere and will support him no matter what he does IMO. 

I believe many independents took a chance on Trump and/or couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.  Although his base may love the childish nicknames, the petty squabbles, the vindictiveness, and the untruths, many independents don’t.  That’s obvious with the results of the poll referenced by Goldberg (58% of independents disapproving of the job he’s doing, with 46 percent “strongly” disapproving).  I don’t believe the economy alone is going to be enough to retain them as voters.  I believe Goldberg is right that it’s not too late to win them back, but I doubt Trump is capable of moderating his behavior in such a way to actually do it. 
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2018, 12:25:53 pm »
Quote from: Concerned on July 28, 2018, 12:12:47 pm
Trump won by razor-thin margins in several key battleground states (e.g., Michigan by 0.23% of the vote; Wisconsin by 0.77%; Pennsylvania by 0.71%; Florida by 1.2%).  Those four states represent 75 electoral votes.  It wouldn’t take him losing too many independents to flip those.  I just don’t believe he can get re-elected with his current appeal-to-the-base-at-all-cost mentality.  They aren’t going anywhere and will support him no matter what he does IMO. 

I believe many independents took a chance on Trump and/or couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary.  Although his base may love the childish nicknames, the petty squabbles, the vindictiveness, and the untruths, many independents don’t.  That’s obvious with the results of the poll referenced by Goldberg (58% of independents disapproving of the job he’s doing, with 46 percent “strongly” disapproving).  I don’t believe the economy alone is going to be enough to retain them as voters.  I believe Goldberg is right that it’s not too late to win them back, but I doubt Trump is capable of moderating his behavior in such a way to actually do it.

LOL!

Do you guyz realize how many people who DIDN'T vote for Donald Trump in 2016...that will gladly cast their vote for him in 2020?

Furthermore...."Independents" aren't going anywhere.  In fact, that number will most likely rise (See previous sentence)   :laugh:
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2018, 12:36:06 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on July 28, 2018, 12:25:53 pm
LOL!

Do you guyz realize how many people who DIDN'T vote for Donald Trump in 2016...that will gladly cast their vote for him in 2020?

Furthermore...."Independents" aren't going anywhere.  In fact, that number will most likely rise (See previous sentence)   :laugh:

No, how many? 

"The Resistance" seems strong.  Democratic turnout since Trump's election has been extremely high.  I believe the Dems will be highly motivated, both in the mid-terms and in 2020.  Regardless of how motivated the Dems are though, I believe Trump needs independents to win those key battleground states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida.  I just don't believe he can win with 58% of independents disapproving of the job he's doing and with 46% strongly disapproving.  I recognize that any polling data that is unfavorable to Trump is largely dismissed by many of his supporters but this poll was touted by Breitbart and some Trumpers.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,325621.0.html
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2018, 12:46:44 pm »
Quote from: Night Hides Not on July 28, 2018, 11:06:38 am
IMO, the Orange Brigadiers are laying the ground work to blame everyone else if things don’t go well in November. When things go well, it’s because Trump is so fantastic. When things don’t go so well, it’s because Trump is being held back.

You nailed it.  "The Buck Stops Elsewhere!"
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2018, 01:00:55 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on July 28, 2018, 03:08:07 am
@Sanguine

Why do you have these unreasonable expectations?  People want to emote.

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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2018, 01:24:46 pm »
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I'm glad we got that straightened out, Ghost. :tongue2:
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2018, 01:34:00 pm »
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2018, 01:59:40 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 26, 2018, 11:25:28 pm
Trump is trying to do what he promised and largely successfully. If the GOP loses the house this year it will be because the GOP elite and their wounded pride couldn't get over the 2016 election they were so wrong about.

Yeah, Trump's a cad. But love him or hate him, it should be obvious to everyone by now that the State has decided they won't let an outsider abide in the white house, no matter who it is, even if his free and fair election was constitutionally sound, and are using extraconstitutional measures to run him out.

What is really ominous to me is so many who claim to be lovers of the Constitution, right here in fact, do not have a problem with how its currently being butchered in service of the State's self serving ends. Because they find him personally distasteful.

Excellent take. Agree, there are much larger issues here than problems with this president’s demeanor.

The reaction elicited by Trump alone, his presence as an outsider, perceived to be interfering into the political status quo, is what should draw the public’s attention; a well-timed, phony, establishment-launched special counsel “investigation” should raise eyebrows not Donald Trump’s blunt language or public persona.

Donald Trump won a large victory in the electoral college and was elected by the people and ever since then it’s been nothing but threats and bellyaching from the left and from republican/conservative supporters of failed 2016 primary candidates.

I think if republicans do well in November, republican NeverTrumpers will be forced to concede some ground, but I’m not holding my breath that’ll happen.
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2018, 02:21:48 pm »
Quote from: Fishrrman on July 28, 2018, 01:46:36 am
Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can

I don't want the president to "control himself", if that means being other than who he is.

I want him to keep BEING "himself", as much or more than he's doing now.

I want him to TURN UP the heat and the pressure on the left and the media.

And I don't care if that galls any of you NT's reading this.

I agree. My criticisms of Trump are that he came into office and immediately tried to play nice, accepting all sorts of establishment staffing advice in situ. He should have immediately purged United States Attorneys, Obama loyalists and cleared out as many bureaucrats as he could dislodge from the previous administration and replace with his own people. The current mess is what he gets for trying to appease the establishment. But, in his defense, as wide a social circle as citizen Trump had, he didn’t have enough human resources necessary to put together an effective administration from day one. He has been steadily trying to rectify this, with some significant firings still looming ahead.
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2018, 03:16:44 pm »
Quote from: CatherineofAragon on July 28, 2018, 02:55:43 pm


Thank God.    :0001:

We saw what 'they' did to Mitt Romney.  We saw what they did to their 'good friend' John McCain.

Let 'er rip, Mr. President!
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2018, 03:35:46 pm »
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Thank God.    :0001:

We saw what 'they' did to Mitt Romney.  We saw what they did to their 'good friend' John McCain.

Let 'er rip, Mr. President!

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2018, 03:39:07 pm »
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DC, it’s a joke.

And a funny one, too!   ^-^
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2018, 03:44:31 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on July 28, 2018, 06:10:25 am
No.  Wrong.

If they lose their hold on power, it will be precisely because they broke all their campaign promises and governed just like Democrats to the point that there is zero discernible difference between them.

In a way I'm saying the same thing. Border security, abolishing the ACA, holding the previous administration officials accountable for their extraconstitutional and illegal activity; if they'd delivered on these issues they'd be a shoe in. Instead they sat back on their hands while the administration tried to deal with them alone.

All emotion aside, this is what happened.
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2018, 04:10:06 pm »
Many, perhaps most, select their candidate based on whether they "like" him/her or not.  We see that here to some degree: the NTs dislike the man and he can do very little good; the ETs like the man and he can do no wrong. 

Trump knows this.  His book shows clearly that he understands the efficacy of manipulating peoples' emotions to get the result that he desires.  If he could/would make himself more likeable to independents, he could easily swing this election, and be able to continue his agenda. 
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Re: Control Yourself, Mr. President — If You Can
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2018, 04:21:10 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on July 27, 2018, 03:14:04 pm
So he should stop holding to rallies. Start "paying attention to his critics and try to convince them he's not the danger that Democrats say he is", stop tweeting. Stop defending himself, just allow the insane press coverage he's suffering go unanswered. Or worse, depend upon the GOP to defend him.

The actual results he's delivering don't matter.

What an effed up political environment we have today.

Word. The stained glass pearl clutchers have taken over.
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