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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2018, 07:15:36 pm »
This is such an emotional issue for some people that there cannot be any rational discussion about it, at least with those people.

I'm glad to say, it will be a done deal in two years or less and the world will not end.

I am replying to myself because I totally respect my opinion on this issue.

Odd thing.  I was just looking up James Garner after watching an old episode of Maverick.  He was a great guy who had a lasting career and a lasting marriage.  Here's his take on pot.

The "most explosive revelation" in his autobiography was that Garner smoked marijuana for much of his adult life. "I started smoking it in my late teens," Garner wrote.

I drank to get drunk but ultimately didn't like the effect. Not so with grass. It had the opposite effect from alcohol: it made me more tolerant and forgiving. I did a little bit of cocaine in the Eighties, courtesy of John Belushi, but fortunately I didn't like it. But I smoked marijuana for 50 years and I don't know where I'd be without it. It opened my mind and now it eases my arthritis. After decades of research I've concluded that marijuana should be legal and alcohol illegal.[55]
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2018, 07:16:01 pm »
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But it is the right of the various states to criminalize it (or not) as they see fit.

I understand. I’m simply stating my position. If I want to brew a tea to relax me or coffee to stimulate me, I think it’s my call. The State should stay out of it. Marijuana falls into that category for me.

Anyway, hysteria over marijuana stemmed from an organized disinformation campaign early last century circulated in theaters, on radio and in print, that the federals at that time codified and scheduled. But in no way did it reflect the reality of marijuana’s effects on individuals or its broader impact on society in general.

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2018, 07:17:10 pm »
I could be wrong on this, but I understand that the medicinal chemicals in pot can be isolated from the psychoactive chemicals, and therefore strict medicinal use does not produce a high.

I would be concerned about someone at work using hydrocodone or morphine or whatever.  Sure, they may be using it medicinally and really need it, but that stuff makes them unable to perform.  If the medicinal pot makes you high, you may not be able to work during the time you are using it.

Yep, take the high out of the "medicine" and see just how many still care to use it. Most every ingredient in pot can be isolated and put in a pill form.
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2018, 07:21:36 pm »
I could be wrong on this, but I understand that the medicinal chemicals in pot can be isolated from the psychoactive chemicals, and therefore strict medicinal use does not produce a high.

I would be concerned about someone at work using hydrocodone or morphine or whatever.  Sure, they may be using it medicinally and really need it, but that stuff makes them unable to perform.  If the medicinal pot makes you high, you may not be able to work during the time you are using it.

Yes, there is a way to isolate the chemicals that makes one high, but in the same light, people go into work and drive all the time on prescribed pain meds such as Hydrocodone, Oxycontin, methadone, etc.  What people don't realize is yes, those meds can put people in a bit of a fog, but not the 'high' that others assume as there are those that are in so much pain that these drugs take the curb off their pain and allow them to function.  People still have to make a living, so they go into work 'medicated' enabling them to function with lessened pain.

I have absolutely no problem with someone smoking recreational pot to ease their pain and allow them to function on their job.  Someone who smokes pot or abuses opioids just to achieve a high at work is wrong.
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2018, 07:23:32 pm »
I am replying to myself because I totally respect my opinion on this issue.

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After decades of research I've concluded that marijuana should be legal and alcohol illegal.[55]

I tend to agree with Mr. Garner and you. 

I've seen a friend with cerebral palsy be able to be productive, with spasms eased, relieving excruciating pain.  I've seen a very bad-tempered, violent man able to be mellow and social.  Etc.   So it's not just research, but experience.
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #80 on: June 10, 2018, 07:25:18 pm »
Yes, there is a way to isolate the chemicals that makes one high, but in the same light, people go into work and drive all the time on prescribed pain meds such as Hydrocodone, Oxycontin, methadone, etc.  What people don't realize is yes, those meds can put people in a bit of a fog, but not the 'high' that others assume as there are those that are in so much pain that these drugs take the curb off their pain and allow them to function.  People still have to make a living, so they go into work 'medicated' enabling them to function with lessened pain.

I have absolutely no problem with someone smoking recreational pot to ease their pain and allow them to function on their job.  Someone who smokes pot or abuses opioids just to achieve a high at work is wrong.

I think we agree on that basic point: high - not good, appropriately medicated - may be OK.

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #81 on: June 10, 2018, 07:48:48 pm »
I think we agree on that basic point: high - not good, appropriately medicated - may be is OK.

Yes, and I have absolutely no problem of people smoking pot in their homes just like I have no objection to those having a cocktail or two.  So .... people are allowed to go into a bar and have a few cocktails, why then can't people go into a 'bar' and smoke a joint?    IMHO there's much more of a stigma of people smoking pot then there is drinking alcohol. 
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2018, 08:16:40 pm »
   I do understand the 'diversity of thought' on decimalization of pot here. I smoked a bunch in the late 60's until I joined the USAF and afterward 40 years of working for Big Oil, where I was always subjected to random test, I just didn't miss it at all.
   Now in my later years and only in the privacy of my own home dealing with all the ailments of just getting old I've rediscovered an old friend and she is sweet.


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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2018, 01:36:31 am »
   I do understand the 'diversity of thought' on decimalization of pot here. I smoked a bunch in the late 60's until I joined the USAF and afterward 40 years of working for Big Oil, where I was always subjected to random test, I just didn't miss it at all.
   Now in my later years and only in the privacy of my own home dealing with all the ailments of just getting old I've rediscovered an old friend and she is sweet.


   * I do not support Mexican Cartels, Colorado only!

Well, see, you are a good example of how  'non-addictive' pot is.  Most people give it up if they are in a job or organization tht forbids it and does random drug tests.

Maybe we should all be put in a room and forced to watch Reefer Madness a few times.
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2018, 04:55:53 pm »

I have absolutely no problem with someone smoking recreational pot to ease their pain and allow them to function on their job.  Someone who smokes pot or abuses opioids just to achieve a high at work is wrong.

Nope. In my experience as an employer, ain't no way in hell I'm going to let no Stoner work for me... Ain't no different than alcohol ain't no different than oxy it's all the same thing

Pain or no pain, if you're lit, you ain't worth having working-wise.

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #85 on: June 11, 2018, 05:03:53 pm »
Yes, and I have absolutely no problem of people smoking pot in their homes just like I have no objection to those having a cocktail or two.  So .... people are allowed to go into a bar and have a few cocktails, why then can't people go into a 'bar' and smoke a joint?    IMHO there's much more of a stigma of people smoking pot then there is drinking alcohol.

Totally @libertybele ... and it's all a hype.  Alcohol is much more dangerous and more addictive but we learned the hard way that prohibition doesn't work.

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #86 on: June 11, 2018, 05:05:11 pm »
Nope. In my experience as an employer, ain't no way in hell I'm going to let no Stoner work for me... Ain't no different than alcohol ain't no different than oxy it's all the same thing

Pain or no pain, if you're lit, you ain't worth having working-wise.

All you have to do is make that clear and have mandatory testing. 
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« Reply #87 on: June 11, 2018, 05:12:46 pm »
All you have to do is make that clear and have mandatory testing.

Mandatory testing is part of business liability insurance anymore. outside of that, and more importantly, I catch you lit up at work, you'll get ONE warning. After that, zero tolerance

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #88 on: June 11, 2018, 05:15:02 pm »
   As one of the few Briefers here that openly admits that I take a toke or two, on occasion (only way I can understand half of ya), I believe this to be a STATE Issue, NOT Federal.
  Perhaps President Trump is throwing some Cheeto's at stoners believing they'll vote GOP in 2018/2020.
  It may work, but I doubt it.
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Almost a year ago, recreational marijuana became legal in my Nevada. I remember well when the dispensaries opened at midnight. There were lines comparable to those I remember for getting into certain exhibits and pavilions at the New York World's Fair 1964-65. Within a few days, those lines disappeared and things went much to normal shopping even at the pot dispensaries, even as more of them opened as the year went on.

And, you know, some funny things happened.

The sun still arose the following mornings. The moon still arose in the evenings. The morning and afternoon rush hours remained about the same. The casinos continued doing boffo business; likewise, the Fremont Street Experience, where it's fair to say you see creatures at almost all hours of the kind that make you mourn the loss of the great circuses less and less as time goes by.

And Nevada---whether around my Las Vegas or elsewhere---didn't suddenly become wall-to-wall potheads.

There was also no noticeable increase in the scattered fragrances of pot smoking after legalisation than there'd been before legalisation, and those fragrances were few enough and far between enough as it was. Total sales from the moment it became legal through the end of November 2017 hit $126 million, which put plenty of pelf into state and local coffers since Nevada charges a 15 percent sales tax on the stuff.

And, deaths in accidents involving driving while impaired fell, both in my locality and across the state, while there were fewer road fatalities overall but a slight increase in pedestrian deaths caused by drivers---which usually happens in Las Vegas because pedestrians aren't exactly the most careful creatures crossing or walking The Strip. If you're behind the wheel on or crossing The Strip and stone cold sober, you take your life into your hands because of pedestrian crowds making simple crossing or simple driving a challenge comparable to trying to mine diamonds with a toothpick.

Seeing the crowds on those first three or four days of legalisation, I simply bided my time and waited for them to dissipate. Then, I went to a dispensary not far from my home and decided to give it a try again. (I had only ever smoked pot once before in my life, with my second wife, back in 1996; let me say about that experience only that I understood at last why there were those proclaiming pot a phenomenal aphrodisiac!) I bought a tiny quantity of the smokable stuff, plus a chocolate candy bar made with the stuff in it, the bar being sectioned off into teardrop-shaped pieces.

I couldn't handle the smoke anymore, so that was the end of that, and you're talking to a fellow who smokes a few cigarettes a day*, but you don't need me to tell you the smoke from pot is way more powerful than that of even a full-flavoured cigarette. Likewise, with pot vaping. But the following night I broke off one of the sections of the candy bar and ate it before going to bed for the night. It provided a nice, relaxing, small high, enough to qualify as a fine sleep aid, very useful when you have three ornery dogs liable to blast you awake at any time unless you're so deep in sleep they figure out fast that you can't be moved yet and thus settle back to their own sleep. I still buy one of those candy bars now and then and have a piece every so often.

(* I'm almost to the level my maternal grandmother was: she liked to have a cigarette after her breakfast, another after her lunch, a third after an afternoon cup of coffee, a fourth after dinner, and a fifth with her coffee while watching the evening news before going to bed. Almost. She smoked Winston for many years; when I was a small boy thanks to her I thought Winston was a woman's cigarette! [She switched to Parliaments during my college years, the brand she smoked for the rest of her life.] If you were to spend a day with me you might get the impression I smoke heavily, but that's because of a peculiar habit I got into while I work---I might light one up while working on a project, then get back to my work and forget I'd lit one up, and it would be burned out before I reached for it again, so I light another one up and, same thing. It might take me three or even four cigarettes to get me the equivalent of smoking one while I work! That's a habit I'm working on breaking.)
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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #89 on: June 11, 2018, 05:31:28 pm »
Mandatory testing is part of business liability insurance anymore. outside of that, and more importantly, I catch you lit up at work, you'll get ONE warning. After that, zero tolerance

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« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2018, 06:25:12 pm »
Watch your back side, cuz I'm slamming the door behind you?

LOL! Almost, damn near.
I ran a paint company for years... Painters have recreational drug use problems... More than most, because a lot of what you are spraying gets you high anyway, so they tend toward recreational use when the buzz drops off from work.

SO, if you are likely high ANYWAY from the fumes, I don't need you getting a head start on it, because you'll be a blithering idiot, guaranteed.

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« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2018, 06:28:54 pm »
LOL! Almost, damn near.
I ran a paint company for years... Painters have recreational drug use problems... More than most, because a lot of what you are spraying gets you high anyway, so they tend toward recreational use when the buzz drops off from work.

SO, if you are likely high ANYWAY from the fumes, I don't need you getting a head start on it, because you'll be a blithering idiot, guaranteed.

Sounds like some of the people @bigheadfred works with.

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« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2018, 06:31:56 pm »
Oh great....  More people under the influence on our roads.  Like we needed any more.....

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2018, 06:33:02 pm »
Sounds like some of the people @bigheadfred works with.

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Re: Trump Signals Support For Legislation Easing US Ban On Pot
« Reply #95 on: June 11, 2018, 07:07:35 pm »
Mandatory testing is part of business liability insurance anymore. outside of that, and more importantly, I catch you lit up at work, you'll get ONE warning. After that, zero tolerance

Exactly what is 'lit up at work?'  Is that actually lighting up a marijuana cigarette or simply acting stoned?  You do know that for a lot of people, the stoned look is a default position.
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« Reply #96 on: June 11, 2018, 07:09:29 pm »
LOL! Almost, damn near.
I ran a paint company for years... Painters have recreational drug use problems... More than most, because a lot of what you are spraying gets you high anyway, so they tend toward recreational use when the buzz drops off from work.

SO, if you are likely high ANYWAY from the fumes, I don't need you getting a head start on it, because you'll be a blithering idiot, guaranteed.

I always heard that people whose occupations begin with "P" are prone to self-medicate.  I could only think of painter and paperhanger.
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« Reply #97 on: June 11, 2018, 07:11:23 pm »
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« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2018, 07:18:43 pm »
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« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2018, 07:23:14 pm »
And, printers and podiatrists.