This Is Why We Will Never Register Our Guns Or Cooperate With Government Mandates

[Smokin Joe]

Consider it done.  Occupy, BLM and Antifa don't have the right to be laws unto themselves.  And neither do you.   

You've never "seen me speak out against them" because, as far as I can recall, no members here have defended or asserted Occupy's, BLM's or Antifa's "right" to ignore the law.   But the theme of this entire selfish thread is F*ck-the-Community - even to the point of threatening bloodshed.   

Get a D@mned clue. We ARE the community in question. What do you think gives you or 535 people  2000 miles away the right to dictate to us our Rights?  Approximately 1.5% of the country is "Gay", 13% is Black, there are 55 million who can claim to be 'Hispanic', but the 57% (source) who own guns have no rights? Guess again.

[Smokin Joe]

It works in the case of automobile registration.  Almost all transfers of ownership, and dispositions, are documented.

I really think you have no clue how many vehicles are on the road with no registration, no insurance, etc. One of my vehicles was struck by such a fellow, who had a name better pronounced with a non-english accent, with no registration, no title, no license plates, a hinky ID, and last registered in Indiana a couple of years prior. The stupid cop didn't check the fellow for DUI, and did not cite him for leaving the scene of the accident (a grandkid witnessed the accident aand followed the vehicle, then called it in). None of the existing laws did shit to stop my vehicle from being damaged (thankfully, no people were), nor did I ever receive any compensation from the perp, who promptly disappeared from town.

There are more vehicles like that one on the road than we'd care to imagine.

And plenty of them are being driven by the illegals you so often defend.

[Smokin Joe]

INVAR conveniently left out a link in his opening post.   But if the authorities seized both Mr. Kirschenmann's legal firearms as well as the illegal ones, then I agree an injustice was done, and quite possibly an unconstitutional infringement.  But wait until the case plays out before jumping to the absurd conclusion that registration amounts to confiscation.   This is America, where the rule of law means something.

But the illegal firearm is a Felony and possession of a firearm by a felon is illegal. That's the trap. Create a paperwork offense to base other charges on. This is a man who tried to comply with the law, and ended up being hauled off.

Let those who have ears to hear, hear.

[bigheadfred]

Hear, hear here.

[roamer_1]

Get a D@mned clue. We ARE the community in question.

I would add a bit about this damnable 'community' verbiage, @Smokin Joe ...
It reads to me as a dirty word.

The beauty of the American system is in its Federalism - That folks of one kind can be one place, and folks that are else-wise another. That is an aggregate of individualism and independence.

The limiting nature of the Constitution was intentional in ONLY giving to the fed that which it must necessarily NEED to govern. The Lion's share was left to the several states to govern, and ultimately to the people. That again bespeaks an individualism and independence, as does most of the state constitutions I am familiar with.

This national 'community' that @Jazzhead is so in love with is the very tool being used to oppose that individualism and independence, where our rights and liberty reside... There is no 'community' 3000 miles away, able to dictate terms.

And talk about such a thing deserves no dang credit at all.

[mountaineer]

Meanwhile, some heartwarming gun news out of Oklahoma:

Oklahoma City Police
‏Verified account @OKCPD
11m11 minutes ago

⚠️ ALERT: The only confirmed fatality is the suspect. He was apparently shot-to-death by an armed citizen. Three citizens were injured, two of whom were shot. A large number of witnesses are detained. There is no indication of terrorismat this point.
8 replies 165 retweets 105 likes

Another tweet from OCPD:

Oklahoma City Police
‏Verified account @OKCPD
5m5 minutes ago

Lake Hefner shooting update: A man walked into the Louie’s restaurant and opened fire with a gun. Two people were shot. One person has been taken to a hospital with serious injuries. A bystander with a pistol confronted the shooter outside the restaurant and fatally shot him.

ABC News story

[Smokin Joe]

@driftdiver that always seems to be the Liberal answer to why failed programs implemented by other leftist regimes will work this time.

Yeah, they've been spewing that line for a hundred years and at least as many millions of dead people.

[Smokin Joe]

Does registration "punish" the law-abiding car owner?   It's an imposition, an inconvenience, but not a punishment, and certainly not an unconstitutional "infringement".

C'mon, sir, the community does have an interest in curbing the black market in guns.

An imposition and an inconvenience ARE an infringement. That there is no Constitutional prohibition on that infringement renders your comparison weasel words. Really. I would have expected something less disingenuous.

[Smokin Joe]

Registration would grow the black market in guns.  I believe many of the posters on this thread would move to illegal trade if registration was required.

Um.....Not to speak of. :nometalk:

[Smokin Joe]

America is not "every other country".  We have a Constitution with a Second Amendment and a guarantee against seizure of property without just compensation, or the due process of law.

The answer cannot be that you have the "right" to decide for yourself which laws you will ignore.  That is anarchy.   

Except for that Civil Asset Forfeiture thingy where people are routinely relieved of cash and desirable property with no more Due Process than a law which says the State can seize that property. Where are those protections?

[bigheadfred]

Yeah, they've been spewing that line for a hundred years and at least as many millions of dead people.

Oh, Joe. They have been spewing that line since "kingship" was granted by the gods to man.

My point in an earlier post is that if you don't understand the Spirit behind the Constitution you need to sit down and STFU.

Anyone who gets up on a soapbox and fires away with trigger words like "guns" and "control" needs to have that box shot out from under their feet. Swept away, that box is. To our Gain, in the Tides of war. (lame laundry soap reference).

[Smokin Joe]

That's a rather startling admission that folks here are not fundamentally law-abiding.

I don't believe it.   

Who isn't law-abiding? If the Government places illegal infringements on the RKBA, it is our Duty, as Americans, to resist those illegal laws. At present, such laws do not exist in most of the country, nor will they.

[Smokin Joe]

/snicker

Guff and bravado.  Tell me, did you refuse to buy Obamacare-compliant insurance, and did you pay the Obamacare penalty, or did you dutifully sign up for qualifying insurance?

Yes, no, and no.

[Smokin Joe]

Oh, Joe. They have been spewing that line since "kingship" was granted by the gods to man.

My point in an earlier post is that if you don't understand the Spirit behind the Constitution you need to sit down and STFU.

Anyone who gets up on a soapbox and fires away with trigger words like "guns" and "control" needs to have that box shot out from under their feet. Swept away, that box is. To our Gain, in the Tides of war. (lame laundry soap reference).

But Fred, they're 'pod' people.....

[roamer_1]

Meanwhile, some heartwarming gun news out of Oklahoma:

[bigheadfred]

Who isn't law-abiding? If the Government places illegal infringements on the RKBA, it is our Duty, as Americans, to resist those illegal laws. At present, such laws do not exist in most of the country, nor will they.

Exactly what is law-abiding? I work on the north side of the big town and live 13 miles south of it. I almost spilled my beer three times because of other stupid drivers--trying to fight through the traffic--just so I could get the hell home.

I swear that if you are caught with a cell phone that has a charged battery in it in the front area of your car you should be registered as deregistered and several confiscations commence.

[bigheadfred]

But Fred, they're 'pod' people.....

I suppository you are correct.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.  You complied, simply because the government gave you the right incentives. 

If you become subject to a registration law, you’ll bend over and take it as well, with similar incentivization.

Incentive, schmincentive.

 The Government's new laws caused my insurance provider to quit offering health insurance in my state. I had a plan before the ACA that suited my needs. After the ACA, insurance became completely unaffordable. So no, not only did the government provide no incentive for me to have insurance, but they did away with the insurance I had, just like millions of other Americans. https://ballotpedia.org/Health_insurance_policy_cancellations_since_Obamacare

Essentially,, the government did away with our insurance, then wanted to fine us.

[roamer_1]

I suppository you are correct.

HA! I seen what you did there...

Hiya Fred! 

[bigheadfred]

I had health insurance through my employer until obamacare wiped that out. January 1, 2015. I refuse to buy insurance. It is a fear-mongering effing scam. I claim the exemption on my taxes that it is considered to be unaffordable and that exemption has not been questioned.

I have a monthly blood draw to check my various med levels and organ functions. My last visit at that MD was $54. That included the visit, the supplies for the draw, and the tests.

The high price of healthcare is complete horseshit. Complete horseshit. Same with gun control and any variations thereof.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly what is law-abiding? I work on the north side of the big town and live 13 miles south of it. I almost spilled my beer three times because of other stupid drivers--trying to fight through the traffic--just so I could get the hell home.

I swear that if you are caught with a cell phone that has a charged battery in it in the front area of your car you should be registered as deregistered and several confiscations commence.

Most (the overwhelming majority) of idiot drivers I have seen (The wife and I have a contest for the Idiot driver du jour) have been obviously using their phone. Thankfully, I have decades in the saddle as a motorcyclist, so defensive driving is deeply ingrained. I don't drink, but if I was spilling beverages over that lunacy, I'd be upset, too.

[bigheadfred]

HA! I seen what you did there...

Hiya Fred! 

You seen it? I kinda figured ya for a leg man. But an assman...

[bigheadfred]

Most (the overwhelming majority) of idiot drivers I have seen (The wife and I have a contest for the Idiot driver du jour) have been obviously using their phone. Thankfully, I have decades in the saddle as a motorcyclist, so defensive driving is deeply ingrained. I don't drink, but if I was spilling beverages over that lunacy, I'd be upset, too.

I'm kidding about the beer, Joe. My point is that anyone driving a car is operating a potentially deadly weapon and their attention to that operation is required.

[roamer_1]

You seen it? I kinda figured ya for a leg man. But an assman...

Well if them kids could be talked into taking them Tide Pods as a suppository, they'd be a whole lot less popular. Except a guy with his pants off screaming though your party like Lawrence Welk's bubble machine might be a conversation starter... 

[Smokin Joe]

LOL! Not even close!

Years ago I bought an old pickup. The paperwork was all there, the original title and notarized bills of sale for six title transfers, none of which had been registered with the State. I was amazed at how fast the title transfers were conducted and the paperwork went through at the DMV when I got all that caught up and current (antique vehicle) tags.