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And tell you what I feel about you babe?

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Gino Vannelli is up in Canada right now reading this thread in pure awe.

Was he the half of Milli Vanilli that didn't kill himself?

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Was he the half of Milli Vanilli that didn't kill himself?

He is. He also invented the Shamrock Shake.

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He is. He also invented the Shamrock Shake.

I don't know what a Shamrock Shake is.  Is it some kind of Irish dance?

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I don't know what a Shamrock Shake is.  Is it some kind of Irish dance?

Close. It was Madonna's follow up dance after the vogue. It didn't catch on at the gay clubs though.

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I think I've always seen people in the military as being heroic because they have given up their freedom to serve.  But your all's opinions make sense, too.  I don't mean people can't also be jackasses ;) or mass murderers -- I had no idea Jeffrey Dahmer was in the military. 
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I'd like to ask you all a semi-related question.  I've always thought of people who served in the military as heroes, those who served in war even more so, and those who have been POWs as an even more special kind of hero. 

Would you all agree with that or find it naive?

@LauraTXNM

A bit naïve I think.  Many people have served this country in uniform and some paid a heavy price for their service but in the case of John Sidney McCain III you need to look at the entire picture before you decide to call him a "hero". 

He is the Grandson of John Sidney "Slew" McCain Sr. who was a Navy Admiral wit very distinguished service for a long time including in the South Pacific during WWII.  and the Son of John Sidney "Jack" McCain Jr. also an Admiral with long and distinguished service and who was the CO of the Naval forces in the Pacific when his son John Sidney McCain III was captured.  But for those facts, Senator McCain would never have received an appointment to the Naval Academy at Annapolis and, on the off chance that he did receive one, would have surely not made it to graduation.

Further, after he did manage to scrape by and graduate at the bottom of his class he got into flight school on the basis of who he was rather than what his qualifications were and would never have been in the pilot seat of the F4-E he flew over Hanoi but for who his father and grandfather were.
 
After he was returned to the US Navy Brass decided that it would be too embarrassing to the Navy and the US Government for Mr. McCain to have to account for what he did while a captive in North Vietnam and the entire history was official "revised".

I know that some here will not like what I have written here but it IS the truth and you will have to make up your own mind as to whether or not the man is a "hero".
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I'd like to ask you all a semi-related question.  I've always thought of people who served in the military as heroes, those who served in war even more so, and those who have been POWs as an even more special kind of hero. 

Would you all agree with that or find it naive?

The latter. I have a relative serving in the army right now who last thought seems to be serving his country.

Frankly, he doesn't even consider it his country.

He's determined to avoid risk and hard work at all costs and is simply milking the gig for all he can.

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I don't know what a Shamrock Shake is.  Is it some kind of Irish dance?


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I think that is what happens when a leprechaun gets off.

Gets off what, the bottle?

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I think that is what happens when a leprechaun gets off.

Its what happens when you give a red headed stripper a $20, or so @Frank Cannon told me.
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Pure something.

Hey @Sanguine , what's with the bondage chick with a riding crop in your avatar? Do you think that's appropriate for a family forum?
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Hey @Sanguine , what's with the bondage chick with a riding crop in your avatar? Do you think that's appropriate for a family forum?

This is obviously not a family forum since you are allowed to be here.    :whistle:

And, that's a rifle, not a whip.
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This is obviously not a family forum since you are allowed to be here.    :whistle:

And, that's a rifle, not a whip.

Firstly I'm the most GD family friendly poster you will ever meet. Secondly......oh. I guess it could be a gun depending on how you look at it.

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Firstly I'm the most GD family friendly poster you will ever meet. Secondly......oh. I guess it could be a gun depending on how you look at it.

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Retired general: Torture worked on John McCain, that's why they call him 'Songbird John'
by Naomi Lim
 May 10, 2018 02:34 PM

 
Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney on Thursday referred to Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., as "Songbird John" and said torture worked on the former POW.

McInerney, during an interview on Fox Business Network, was slamming McCain's refusal to support CIA director nominee Gina Haspel over her past work at the agency involving enhanced interrogation techniques that are considered torture.

"The fact is, is John McCain — it worked on John. That's why they call him 'Songbird John,'" McInerney said.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/retired-general-torture-worked-on-john-mccain-thats-why-they-call-him-songbird-john

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