Trump drops a bombshell on immigration, and no one bothers to report it

[Jazzhead]

You just made my point.

It is a very recent development that the conservative movement has become aligned with anti-immigrant nativism.

It is a maxim of conventional economics that immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth,  especially when the birthrate of the native born population is at or below replacement level.   

Historically,  immigrant labor has built this country - the railroads, the dams, the highways, the skyscrapers.   Historically, immigrant labor has not displaced native born labor, but has provided it with opportunity. 

I understand that we exist in the context of a global, information-based economy.  But there are, IMO, more effective ways to protect the interests of American labor than by turning away those with the skills and the drive to make something of themselves in a land of liberty and opportunity.   

[GrouchoTex]

Even back on the campaign trial, he was going to have a "big, beautiful door" in the wall to let the "good ones" in, so this is hardly a bombshell.
He may not have said this in a while, but he has said it, in one form or another.

[Sanguine]

It is a very recent development that the conservative movement has become aligned with anti-immigrant nativism.

It is a maxim of conventional economics that immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth,  especially when the birthrate of the native born population is at or below replacement level.   

Historically,  immigrant labor has built this country - the railroads, the dams, the highways, the skyscrapers.   Historically, immigrant labor has not displaced native born labor, but has provided it with opportunity. 

I understand that we exist in the context of a global, information-based economy.  But there are, IMO, more effective ways to protect the interests of American labor than by turning away those with the skills and the drive to make something of themselves in a land of liberty and opportunity.

It's OK if you don't get it.

[sneakypete]

If he can change the standards for entry so that only those with useable and needed skills are allowed entry I will be satisfied.

@skeeter

I won't. I want a total ban on Muslims.

It is a good first step,though. Not many Muslims have ANY job skills,never mind ones needed here in America.

[Hoodat]

If we want to sustain economic growth, we will need immigration.

This isn't about sustaining economic growth.  It's about sustaining the Social Security Ponzi Scheme.

[roamer_1]

It is a maxim of conventional economics that immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth,  especially when the birthrate of the native born population is at or below replacement level.   

Well there's your problem right there - Howabout we try not killing American children in the womb for a while...

[driftdiver]

This isn't about sustaining economic growth.  It's about sustaining the Social Security Ponzi Scheme.

@Hoodat
Even with all the illegals the SS ponzi scheme is doomed.  Mostly because the illegals don't actually pay in very much AND even if they did they still aren't enough.

We're in trouble, or more accurately our children are in trouble.

Or maybe its the fools who buy our debt that are at risk?

[Jazzhead]

This isn't about sustaining economic growth.  It's about sustaining the Social Security Ponzi Scheme.

I'm talking about legal immigration, of course.  You are correct, though, that the recent spate of illegal immigration has helped sustain the Social Security system.  Millions of folks paying into the system but unable to claim benefits has in a modest way improved SS's finances.   

[Hoodat]

You can bet your sweet Bippy that each and every resident alien will be properly documented.

It's like walking into the Twilight Zone.  I got called every name in the book by Trump sycophants for pointing out that Trump supported touchback amnesty for illegals.  And now I see you post this as if none of that ever happened?  If we had only elected the candidate who actually opposed illegal immigration instead of listening to the lies of those who gave us the one who promises to make illegals legal again.

     M I L A

Making Illegals Legal Again

Can I get that on a hat?

[Chosen Daughter]

It is a very recent development that the conservative movement has become aligned with anti-immigrant nativism.

It is a maxim of conventional economics that immigration is necessary to sustain economic growth,  especially when the birthrate of the native born population is at or below replacement level.   

Historically,  immigrant labor has built this country - the railroads, the dams, the highways, the skyscrapers.   Historically, immigrant labor has not displaced native born labor, but has provided it with opportunity. 

I understand that we exist in the context of a global, information-based economy.  But there are, IMO, more effective ways to protect the interests of American labor than by turning away those with the skills and the drive to make something of themselves in a land of liberty and opportunity.

What we have had since the early 70's is an invasion.  People like you have been feeding us this crap for that long.  Oh it started with the jobs nobody wanted to do.  There are plenty of people to fill labor jobs in the United State.  Get them off of welfare and limit illegals to the lettuce picking that they were supposed to be doing.  Its a long time since the railroad.  Just saying.

[Jazzhead]

Well there's your problem right there - Howabout we try not killing American children in the womb for a while...

Abortions are typically the "solution" for a woman who is not yet in a position in life to afford to raise children - especially if there is no man in the picture.   How will forcing such women to give birth grow the economy?

It is true, however, that the more an economy modernizes and evolves to grow its middle class, the lower the birthrate tends to be.   Economic opportunity means women put off raising families, or limit the size of their broods.   Traditional gender roles encourage the raising of children;  the liberation of women from the patriarchy has provided women with a plethora of alternatives.   

[Chosen Daughter]

It's like walking into the Twilight Zone.  I got called every name in the book by Trump sycophants for pointing out that Trump supported touchback amnesty for illegals.  And now I see you post this as if none of that ever happened?  If we had only elected the candidate who actually opposed illegal immigration instead of listening to the lies of those who gave us the one who promises to make illegals legal again.

     M I L A

Making Illegals Legal Again

Can I get that on a hat?

Yep I told them over and over again also.  the big door in the wall.  Touch back amnesty.  People were going to have to go out and then they could come back in.  How does everyone think that the Trump dynasty hires?

[driftdiver]

I'm talking about legal immigration, of course.  You are correct, though, that the recent spate of illegal immigration has helped sustain the Social Security system.  Millions of folks paying into the system but unable to claim benefits has in a modest way improved SS's finances.   

@Jazzhead
How does an illegal pay into the social security system without a social security number, which they can't get.

From my personal experience they steal peoples identity and use their SSN, and credit and anything else they can.   Of course then they can also collect various benefits since they are now 'legal'.

The Clintons estimate that illegals pay in $13 billion a year through payroll taxes mostly.   Better, less biased sources put the estimate at $7 billion.   Meanwhile they cost us about $135 billion a year through govt benefits, medical care, and other govt programs.

So the net loss is at least $120 Billion

[Chosen Daughter]

Abortions are typically the "solution" for a woman who is not yet in a position in life to afford to raise children - especially if there is no man in the picture.   How will forcing such women to give birth grow the economy?

It is true, however, that the more an economy modernizes and evolves to grow its middle class, the lower the birthrate tends to be.   Economic opportunity means women put off raising families, or limit the size of their broods.   Traditional gender roles encourage the raising of children;  the liberation of women from the patriarchy has provided women with a plethora of alternatives.   

more..........

Liberals have been training our kids that they are danger to the earth.  That they should limit their children.  I remember when my daughter told me about how she wasn't going to have any children.  Yet the "immigrants" are pouring in and having tons of babies.

[Jazzhead]

There are plenty of people to fill labor jobs in the United State. 

Actually, that's not so.  Immigrants tend to work harder than the native born, who can fall back on the resources of the state.   In today's economy,  lots of employers are sweating they won't have the labor to grow their businesses.

I welcome an immigrant "invasion" - legal, of course.   It will provide more opportunity for my kids.   

[Hoodat]

Abortions are typically the "solution" for a woman who is not yet in a position in life to afford to raise children

The "prevention" is to not let some man who is not willing to support you and your kid ejaculate inside of you unprotected.

- especially if there is no man in the picture.   

If there is no man in the picture?  Good grief, did a baby just magically appear inside a woman's womb, catching her unawares?

[skeeter]

Abortions are typically the "solution" for a woman who is not yet in a position in life to afford to raise children - especially if there is no man in the picture.   How will forcing such women to give birth grow the economy?

Dunno, ask an eighteen year old who's mom decided not to abort them, maybe they can tell you.

[Chosen Daughter]

@Jazzhead
How does an illegal pay into the social security system without a social security number, which they can't get.

From my personal experience they steal peoples identity and use their SSN, and credit and anything else they can.   Of course then they can also collect various benefits since they are now 'legal'.

The Clintons estimate that illegals pay in $13 billion a year through payroll taxes mostly.   Better, less biased sources put the estimate at $7 billion.   Meanwhile they cost us about $135 billion a year through govt benefits, medical care, and other govt programs.

So the net loss is at least $120 Billion

Our government does give them ITIN tax id's.  That is how they rake in tax huge tax returns.  They are allowed to claim all those children.  Even ones that aren't in the United States.  Its a huge scam and another way to anchor them here with home, car and business loans.

[driftdiver]

Actually, that's not so.  Immigrants tend to work harder than the native born, who can fall back on the resources of the state.   In today's economy,  lots of employers are sweating they won't have the labor to grow their businesses.

I welcome an immigrant "invasion" - legal, of course.   It will provide more opportunity for my kids.

@Jazzhead
Once again you show you are a racist.

[Jazzhead]

Liberals have been training our kids that they are danger to the earth.  That they should limit their children.  I remember when my daughter told me about how she wasn't going to have any children.  Yet the "immigrants" are pouring in and having tons of babies.

Kids aren't a danger to the earth, but why the heck should a smart, ambitious woman raise a large family?   Times have changed because technology has changed - large families used to prosper, now a smaller brood ensures the greater prosperity of the family.   And what is wrong with a woman's ability to choose whether and when to raise a family?   

[Chosen Daughter]

Actually, that's not so.  Immigrants tend to work harder than the native born, who can fall back on the resources of the state.   In today's economy,  lots of employers are sweating they won't have the labor to grow their businesses.

I welcome an immigrant "invasion" - legal, of course.   It will provide more opportunity for my kids.

No sir they don't.  I know I work in manufacturing.  We have plenty of immigrants that need to have baby sitters so they can get to work.

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead
Once again you show you are a racist.

Oh bullshiit.  My grandparents were all immigrants, and were white as snow.  Anyone who pulls up stakes and moves thousands of miles from friends and family just to have a shot at a better life is - ipso facto - more ambitious and harder working than the native born who won't move their asses out of the holler.     

[GrouchoTex]

It's like walking into the Twilight Zone.  I got called every name in the book by Trump sycophants for pointing out that Trump supported touchback amnesty for illegals.  And now I see you post this as if none of that ever happened?  If we had only elected the candidate who actually opposed illegal immigration instead of listening to the lies of those who gave us the one who promises to make illegals legal again.

     M I L A

Making Illegals Legal Again

Can I get that on a hat?

LOL. yeah, see my post #26.
Of course he supported .
It wan't a secret.
yes, and I was lambasted for bring it up during the primaries, and during the election.

[Jazzhead]

The "prevention" is to not let some man who is not willing to support you and your kid ejaculate inside of you unprotected.

Now there's the callous attitude of a man for ya. 

[Hoodat]

Our government does give them ITIN tax id's.  That is how they rake in tax huge tax returns.  They are allowed to claim all those children.  Even ones that aren't in the United States.  Its a huge scam and another way to anchor them here with home, car and business loans.

It also makes them eligible to collect SS when they retire, provide that they work long enough.  There was some ruling a decade ago or so saying that non-US citizens living in Mexico who worked long enough in the US to qualify were due their SS payments.