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Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« on: March 24, 2018, 02:25:08 pm »
March 24, 2018
Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
By Brian C. Joondeph

Every few months, Republicans behave stupidly, causing their voters to again ask themselves, "Why vote Republican?"  Supporting congressional Republicans seems an exercise in futility – Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, ready to kick a conservative field goal, only to have Lucy pull the football away at the last second.  I have asked this question several times on these pages.

We all know the words to the Republican song we have heard every two years for the past decade.  The first verse was written in 2010, when Republicans claimed they needed to win the House so they could repeal Obamacare and cut taxes.  The band played, and America gave Republicans the House.  Obamacare marched on, and taxes weren't cut.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2018, 02:45:15 pm »
Get some basic knowledge about how governance actually works.  The American system is diabolical, requiring supermajorities to effectively act and providing the minority with ample tools to obstruct.  We did it to Obama, and now they're doing it to us.  Trump knows it - that's why he again recently urged McConnell to change the filibuster rules.   

Republicans as agents of the good will, it appear, be punished by conservatives in their obsession with the perfect.   Tax cuts, regulatory relief, prioritization of jobs and economic growth, sound court appointments -  these things aren't good enough reasons, it appears, to vote Republicans.

Some conservatives insist on inhabiting a world of their own.   Those of us who don't live in bunkers understand the fragility of the very real progress taking place,  and are willing to practice solidarity by supporting the only political party through which conservatives can actually influence and effect change.   

 
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2018, 03:54:11 pm »
Some conservatives insist on inhabiting a world of their own.   Those of us who don't live in bunkers understand the fragility of the very real progress taking place,  and are willing to practice solidarity...

Since you are a <nope> in illustration of your words and suggestions to this board, of course we would expect you to say that the jump off the cliff to the Left, is 'very real progress'.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2018, 04:15:44 pm »
Since you are a <nope> in illustration of your words and suggestions to this board, of course we would expect you to say that the jump off the cliff to the Left, is 'very real progress'.

My examples of "very real progress" were tax cuts, regulatory reform, the prioritization of jobs and economic growth, and sound court appointments.   If you say these are examples of progress to a "Marxist Communist", then I say your words illustrate well just how jammed up your ass your head really is.   
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2018, 04:25:07 pm »
My examples of "very real progress" were tax cuts, regulatory reform, the prioritization of jobs and economic growth, and sound court appointments.   If you say these are examples of progress to a "Marxist Communist", then I say your words illustrate well just how jammed up your ass your head really is.

You leak examples of your Marxism/Communism/Liberalism/Leftism into most of what you opine on this board while bullshitting the membership that your ideas and suggestions are 'Conservative'. 

You know, revelations like this gem of yours from yesterday when people asked why taxpayers in red states should be forced to pay to fix the infrastructure of Democrat cities where they have mismanaged, squandered, stolen and abused their own revenue for infrastructure:

Bacause we are one nation.  Because the prosperity of one region helps fuel the prosperity of all.   

You don't get more Marxist in thought than that.  But I am sure you will illustrate that for us in due time.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2018, 04:40:20 pm »
So the concept of the United States of America is, in your view, Marxist?

The separate states joined together for their common defense and common prosperity.   200 years before the European union,  tariffs and barriers between the states were broken down to create a contenent-wide free trade zone.

The folks in red states pay for projects that benefit mostly folks in blue states, and vice versa, all the time.   Hell,  the net outflow of federal tax dollars from the northeastern states to states like yours is well documented.  Folks in my state don't get back in federal expenditures what they send Washington in tax dollars.   On that score, folks in many red states make out like bandits.   

The project to replace crumbling, century-old tunnels that link the island of Manhattan with the outside world is vital and necessary.   If the federal government is to play any role in helping to finance important infrastructure projects that truly benefit the economy,  the NJ-Manhattan tunnel project qualifies IMO.   

Yes, we are one nation.   Yes, the prosperity of one region affects the prosperity of all.  That is not a "Marxist" sentiment,  that is fundamentally American.   
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2018, 04:51:23 pm »
Yes, we are one nation.   Yes, the prosperity of one region affects the prosperity of all.  That is not a "Marxist" sentiment,  that is fundamentally American.

BULLSHIT.

No it's not.

It's Karl Marx.

From each according to their ability TO each according to their need.

THAT is what you just said was 'fundamentally American' in your justification of  taxpayers in red states to fix mismanaged crumbling infrastructure in Democrat cities.

It is NOT American, even though Marxist Communists like you are busy changing the meaning and intent of words to adopt your bullshit views.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2018, 05:37:38 pm »
My examples of "very real progress" were tax cuts, regulatory reform, the prioritization of jobs and economic growth, and sound court appointments.   If you say these are examples of progress to a "Marxist Communist", then I say your words illustrate well just how jammed up your ass your head really is.


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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2018, 05:54:43 pm »
March 24, 2018
Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
By Brian C. Joondeph

Every few months, Republicans behave stupidly, causing their voters to again ask themselves, "Why vote Republican?"  Supporting congressional Republicans seems an exercise in futility – Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown, ready to kick a conservative field goal, only to have Lucy pull the football away at the last second.  I have asked this question several times on these pages.

We all know the words to the Republican song we have heard every two years for the past decade.  The first verse was written in 2010, when Republicans claimed they needed to win the House so they could repeal Obamacare and cut taxes.  The band played, and America gave Republicans the House.  Obamacare marched on, and taxes weren't cut.

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Better yet.... if you are a Conservative (a rightie).... the question begs....

why bother to vote at all?   

I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat.....ever.   And yet the GOPers have proven themselves, over and over and over again, to not be worthy of my votes either.   It's a question that I'm afraid many ..... too many, in fact.... Conservatives will be asking themselves this November and in 2020, no doubt.   Which is why the GOP will now lose control of Congress.   Which is, I suspect, exactly how they want things to go.... considering how many times they have betrayed their base.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2018, 06:02:02 pm »
Better yet.... if you are a Conservative (a rightie).... the question begs....

why bother to vote at all?   

I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat.....ever.   And yet the GOPers have proven themselves, over and over and over again, to not be worthy of my votes either.   It's a question that I'm afraid many ..... too many, in fact.... Conservatives will be asking themselves this November and in 2020, no doubt.   Which is why the GOP will now lose control of Congress.   Which is, I suspect, exactly how they want things to go.... considering how many times they have betrayed their base.

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...Obsta principiis—Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people. When the people give way, their deceivers, betrayers and destroyers press upon them so fast that there is no resisting afterwards. The nature of the encroachment upon [the] American constitution is such, as to grow every day more and more encroaching. Like a cancer, it eats faster and faster every hour." - John Adams, February 6, 1775

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2018, 06:45:03 pm »
BULLSHIT.

No it's not.

It's Karl Marx.

From each according to their ability TO each according to their need.

THAT is what you just said was 'fundamentally American' in your justification of  taxpayers in red states to fix mismanaged crumbling infrastructure in Democrat cities.

It is NOT American, even though Marxist Communists like you are busy changing the meaning and intent of words to adopt your bullshit views.

You seem a bit touched by fever, INVAR.   Calm down before that vein on your temple bursts. 

I pay more in tax dollars to fix up all the dysfunction/mismanagement in your red state than you do for my blue state.   The red states take more than they give;  you could look it up. 

But that's okay, because we're the United States of America.  One nation, with each region's prosperity helping to  boost the others.   Yes, I'm as concerned as you are that tax money be spent wisely and not wasted,  but I'm am not going to imbibe of your toxic brew of tribalism and selfishness.       
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2018, 06:47:22 pm »
Better yet.... if you are a Conservative (a rightie).... the question begs....

why bother to vote at all?   

I can't bring myself to vote for a Democrat.....ever.   And yet the GOPers have proven themselves, over and over and over again, to not be worthy of my votes either.   It's a question that I'm afraid many ..... too many, in fact.... Conservatives will be asking themselves this November and in 2020, no doubt.   Which is why the GOP will now lose control of Congress.   Which is, I suspect, exactly how they want things to go.... considering how many times they have betrayed their base.

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2018, 06:51:40 pm »
Get some basic knowledge about how governance actually works.  The American system is diabolical, requiring supermajorities to effectively act and providing the minority with ample tools to obstruct.  We did it to Obama, and now they're doing it to us.  Trump knows it - that's why he again recently urged McConnell to change the filibuster rules.   

Republicans as agents of the good will, it appear, be punished by conservatives in their obsession with the perfect.   Tax cuts, regulatory relief, prioritization of jobs and economic growth, sound court appointments -  these things aren't good enough reasons, it appears, to vote Republicans.

Some conservatives insist on inhabiting a world of their own.   Those of us who don't live in bunkers understand the fragility of the very real progress taking place,  and are willing to practice solidarity by supporting the only political party through which conservatives can actually influence and effect change.   
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So by your logic, (your people) the dems have only been able to advance their agenda when they’ve had a super-majority? 

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2018, 06:55:04 pm »
We should stop this 'team' voting and start voting our values. It is the only way things will change. If someone with an R on their jersey doesn't have your values, they don't deserve your vote- simple as that. We keep giving them a pass, playing the game, doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2018, 07:03:26 pm »
We should stop this 'team' voting and start voting our values. 

Then we're going to have 30 different political parties.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2018, 07:29:18 pm »
@Jazzhead
So by your logic, (your people) the dems have only been able to advance their agenda when they’ve had a super-majority? 

Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?

The GOP did an effective job of obstruction during the Obama years.   The Dems were able to pass a few things, like ObamaCare,  by force of party discipline.   We passed the tax bill the same way - but we failed at other initiatives such as ObamaCare repeal because of a mere handful of defections.

The Obama years were marked by action by means of executive order, not legislation.  Yes,  their lack of a supermajority hindered the Obama-era Democrat Congress just as surely as our lack of a supermajority hinders us now.  It's the fault of the Senate's rules, which purposely weaponize the minority's ability to obstruct.     
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2018, 07:48:12 pm »
Then we're going to have 30 different political parties.
That is okay. More than 2 years ago, I frequently stated that "true conservatives" are often math and logic challenged.

So 30 candidates is fine with them. The more the merrier, regardless of logic or change of winning.

It is not really about winning,, but rather a chance to spout off about "principles."

The dems will move ahead when the center-right fragments even further, because they don't suffer the same math-logic disability.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2018, 07:52:26 pm »
The GOP did an effective job of obstruction during the Obama years.   The Dems were able to pass a few things, like ObamaCare,  by force of party discipline.   We passed the tax bill the same way - but we failed at other initiatives such as ObamaCare repeal because of a mere handful of defections.

The Obama years were marked by action by means of executive order, not legislation.  Yes,  their lack of a supermajority hindered the Obama-era Democrat Congress just as surely as our lack of a supermajority hinders us now.  It's the fault of the Senate's rules, which purposely weaponize the minority's ability to obstruct.     
@Jazzhead

Ahh but that’s not what I said is it...I said:

So by your logic, (your people) the dems have only been able to advance their agenda when they’ve had a super-majority? 
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2018, 08:03:01 pm »
Do you have any idea how foolish you sound?

That's not exactly a good argument there, Jazzy.  If you think there is something foolish in her argument, then point it out, and tell us why you feel its foolish.  Otherwise, saying nothing would be a good option.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2018, 08:14:20 pm »
That is okay. More than 2 years ago, I frequently stated that "true conservatives" are often math and logic challenged.

So 30 candidates is fine with them. The more the merrier, regardless of logic or change of winning.

It is not really about winning,, but rather a chance to spout off about "principles."

The dems will move ahead when the center-right fragments even further, because they don't suffer the same math-logic disability.

Your pejorative tone is precisely why I am no longer a Republican - and most probably never will be again.

In fact, the dems serve their base - the most demented of the far left get what they bargain for.

The Republicans fight against their Conservative base, and have done so my whole life long, demanding the same sort of unity as the dems have by way of their actual production for their base - That demand being wholly without evidence of *ANY* service toward the far right, which is their base.

Piss on Republicans. I am a Conservative, and that is all I have ever been. Any marriage I had enjoined with the Republicans was entirely based upon my adherence to those principles that you so roundly decry - and those principles are the only thing that kept me there. But Republicans have gone a whoring, and no service to those principles has ever been in evidence, beyond the meanest of lip service....

So in a word, KMA, Republicans. You may get your way, but not with the help of me and mine... because your way has no resemblance to the principles you preach. Were it not so, I would still be numbered among you.

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2018, 08:55:23 pm »
Republicans as agents of the good will, it appear, be punished by conservatives in their obsession with the perfect.
Perfection is a) in the eye of the beholder; and, b) not attainable in mortal society. Conservatives and libertarians believe in a free, not
a perfect society that imperfect men and woman can never truly create. Trotting out the old "the perfect is the enemy of the good" argument
then requires a serious examination as to whether the "good" is, in fact, good, in the present case. Somehow, I just don't think a piece
of legislation that metastasises deficits and debt and presents spending plans that would provoke orgasms in the Obamas and Clintons and
Pelosis of this world can be considered "the good."

Tax cuts . . .
To be negated soon enough by runaway federal spending and Donaldus Minimus's tariffs. It won't be long before we look back on the tax cuts
(for which even the most recalcitrant NT gave him credit, by the way, when they first came down the pike) and say, "They were nice while they
lasted."

. . . regulatory relief . . .
Reversing Obama's regulatory executive orders are a) good; but, b) something on the line of putting out a fire on one tree while the whole damn
forest still blazes. There remain all manner, and several tons worth, of needless regulations to eliminate that weren't put into place by executive
order, and neither Donaldus Minimus nor this Congress seems all that much inclined to address them, and you can bet safely that enough of
them are regulations under which they profit in one or another way.

. . . prioritization of jobs and economic growth . . .
Such a priority that Donaldus Minimus's tariffs and trade wars are going to eliminate a sizeable share of the former (he's not the first president
who's going to learn that the hard way, but this is a president who doesn't learn from history because he can't---he's interested in precious
little history unless it involves him directly, in some way) and put a muzzle on the latter, soon enough.

. . . sound court appointments . . .
Well, we do have Justice Gorsuch. And maybe Donaldus Minimus will once again listen to the right people if and when there's another Supreme Court
vacancy to fill before his time is up. (Rumours persist at this writing that Justice Kennedy has retirement on his mind . . . )

Some conservatives insist on inhabiting a world of their own.
If by "a world of their own you mean standing foursquare and no less for freedom, what's left of it; for individual rights and responsibilities; and, for a
properly-construed government---meaning, a government whose sole legitimate business, other than protecting us from enemies actual and
provably iminent from abroad and predators (real predators, please, not mere vicemongers), is to stay the hell out of your business, my
business, everyone's business, until or unless one would obstruct or abrogate another's equivalent rights---as opposed to the improperly-consecrated
State (which sees fit to poke its nose into all of one and all's business, whether it is competent or constitutionally sanctioned to do so) under which we've
lived only too long, then, yes, we inhabit a world of our own.

Those of us who don't live in bunkers understand the fragility of the very real progress taking place,  and are willing to practice solidarity by supporting the only political party through which conservatives can actually influence and effect change.   
Where have I heard that argument before? Oh, yes---during the years in which the constitutional floutings and wild spending at every three-card monte
stand in town of George W. Bush and his Republican Congresses led a) to a Democratic takeover of Congress in 2006; and, b) to the advent of His Excellency
Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Have-Been-Life President of the Republic Formerly Known as the United States.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2018, 09:00:51 pm »
That is okay. More than 2 years ago, I frequently stated that "true conservatives" are often math and logic challenged.

So 30 candidates is fine with them. The more the merrier, regardless of logic or change of winning.

It is not really about winning,, but rather a chance to spout off about "principles."

The dems will move ahead when the center-right fragments even further, because they don't suffer the same math-logic disability.

And then we conservatives will have no choice but to go "White Rose". 

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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2018, 09:07:21 pm »
I will be voting to re-elect only one person at the federal level this year.  That person's name is Ted Cruz.  The rest of them can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.   
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2018, 09:57:20 pm »
Your pejorative tone is precisely why I am no longer a Republican - and most probably never will be again.

In fact, the dems serve their base - the most demented of the far left get what they bargain for.

The Republicans fight against their Conservative base, and have done so my whole life long, demanding the same sort of unity as the dems have by way of their actual production for their base - That demand being wholly without evidence of *ANY* service toward the far right, which is their base.

Piss on Republicans. I am a Conservative, and that is all I have ever been. Any marriage I had enjoined with the Republicans was entirely based upon my adherence to those principles that you so roundly decry - and those principles are the only thing that kept me there. But Republicans have gone a whoring, and no service to those principles has ever been in evidence, beyond the meanest of lip service....

So in a word, KMA, Republicans. You may get your way, but not with the help of me and mine... because your way has no resemblance to the principles you preach. Were it not so, I would still be numbered among you.
You will NOT see the word "Republican" in my post. I share your disappointment, but multiple general election candidates is not the answer.

I do not believe there is one conservative representative or Senator, that is not also a Republican.

And I do NOT believe there is one single democrat that is a conservative.
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Re: Once Again, I Ask: Why Vote Republican?
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2018, 10:09:12 pm »
You will NOT see the word "Republican" in my post. I share your disappointment, but multiple general election candidates is not the answer.

I do not believe there is one conservative representative or Senator, that is not also a Republican.

And I do NOT believe there is one single democrat that is a conservative.

Then by your own words, the only answer is to continue beating a dead horse. I disagree. There is no profit in it, as my nearly forty years of political experiences evidence clearly.