Nolte: Trump Calling Chuck Todd a Son of a B*tch Is Good for America

[Concerned]

   Being accused of being a democrat is not surprising coming from you Trumpers.  It just further deepens the shallowness of your thoughts.  It sure would tie everything up in a tiny pretty bow for yall if indeed the 'so called NT'ers' here were Democrats just trying to make your life miserable, would you Trumpers sleep better at night with that thought?

   *I really, really doubt there are any democrats on this Forum, they were snuffed out long ago.

Get with the program corbe, you are either with Trump and support him 1115% - or you are a Democrat who voted for and still supports Hillary.

That is the marching orders in the mob meme from the Trump brigades: 'you are with us, or against us'.


I plan on living up to the 'against' part myself since the Trump brigades have already told us that fiscal responsibility, morality and refusing to surrender our enumerated rights to 'reasonable regulation' are a 'drag' on their party and prevent Trump from 'winning'.

@corbe
@INVAR

Contrary to what some of them say, I find it hard to believe that these Trump supporters truly believe that the only way someone could find some of Trump’s policies and some of his behavior unacceptable is if they’re a Democrat.  Unfortunately, there’s plenty about Trump that true conservatives may find distasteful (from adding trillions to the debt to the immoral sexual behavior to the lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions to the childishness).   

From the perspective of an actual fiscal conservative, there’s just not that much to fall in love with Trump since he’s adding trillions upon trillions to the national debt.   Further, although some conservative may give him a “mulligan” on some of his indiscretions and immoral/inappropriate acts, not every conservative is willing to do that.  Why is all this all that hard to understand?  Is the only alternative that the Trump supporters can envision is that critics have to be Democrats?  I don’t think they’re that unthinking.

[INVAR]

From the perspective of an actual fiscal conservative, there’s just not that much to fall in love with Trump since he’s adding trillions upon trillions to the national debt.

I guess you must have missed all the contortions of logic to argue that the 1.5 TRILLION in deficit spending was a 'good' thing - and demonstrably "more Conservative than Reagan" because it funds the military and it showcases Trump's brilliant ability to work with all sides.  Never mind that the entirety of the Democrat agenda was also fully funded.

Further, although some conservative may give him a “mulligan” on some of his indiscretions and immoral/inappropriate acts, not every conservative is willing to do that.

If we don't, that just makes us 'haters' in the declarations of the Trump faithful - and too 'pure' and 'judgmental' and 'holier-than-thou' for the good of the country. "What Trump does in his personal life is no reflection on his ability to govern" we have been told.

Character no longer matters.  Only causing the Left to become unhinged in rage as they are bulldozed via 12th dimensional underwater chess is what matters.

Is the only alternative that the Trump supporters can envision is that critics have to be Democrats?

Yes.  Because in their twisted logical redefinition of what Conservative actually means - it's all binary.  If you do not support Trump - you must be a Democrat because that is the only choice out there.  With us or against us is the response you get in one form or another in these arguments time and again.

I personally believe we have arrived at the point where we have little in common in terms of core beliefs with Trump's supporters or the Trumplican party.  They have ditched all their principles and hitched all their hopes and dreams onto a man and his party.  For the rest it's a sporting event where cheerleading their star player and 'team' is what will win their office pool for them.   

To validate their abandonment of what they used to stand for - they have gone to war against those who have refused to surrender those principles that they have argued are an obstacle to 'winning'.  It is how Trump fans I know suddenly had no problem with Trump declaring that we need to 'take the guns now, due process later' - when those same people would have gone nuts and went out and bought another thousand rounds of ammo had Obama said that same thing.

[XenaLee]

Well I certainly feel like I have nothing to whine about or nothing to howl at the moon about.  I've provided my opinion and provided the facts, data, and evidence to back it up.  I feel good about the argument (and supporting data) I've provided in this thread.  As for being a Democratic mole, it does seem as though anyone who isn't incessantly praising Donald Trump is considered a Democratic mole to some.   Well, I'm a really strong fiscal conservative.  I want a balanced budget and I want the national debt aggressively attacked. That is certainly not the Democratic Party, but under Donald Trump, it appears to not be the policy of the Republican Party either.  As such, I'm quickly finding myself a man without a party.

I am too and I do too.  But.... (and there's always a but)....

I'm also a realist (some would say pessimist...lol).

I know in my soul that there will never be a "balanced budget" in America ever (again).  It's just never gonna happen.  We've been overtaken and overrun by the leftist mindset regarding that spend & spend mentality.

[Emjay]

   Being accused of being a democrat is not surprising coming from you Trumpers.  It just further deepens the shallowness of your thoughts.  It sure would tie everything up in a tiny pretty bow for yall if indeed the 'so called NT'ers' here were Democrats just trying to make your life miserable, would you Trumpers sleep better at night with that thought?

   *I really, really doubt there are any democrats on this Forum, they were snuffed out long ago.

I cannot conceive of any other theory.  Sorry, but that's the logical scenario.  A lot of people here claim to be sick of Republicans and sick of Trump.

Our only viable hope for the country is to support Trump, elect more conservative Republicans and encourage Trump in the good he is trying to do.

Over half the posters here (not by a real count, just an impression) only post criticism of either Republicans or Trump.

So, why shouldn't I guess that they are either democrat plant or acting like democrat plants.

[INVAR]

Our only viable hope for the country is to support Trump, elect more conservative Republicans and encourage Trump in the good he is trying to do.

There was a reason that Yeshua asked the man who was paralyzed at the Pool of Siloam if he wanted to be healed.

Most victims prefer to stay in the comfort zone to which they are accustomed.

It's why Jefferson included that line in the Declaration.

Sorry lady - if your only hope is in Trump and a corrupted party - prepare to be horrifyingly shocked and disappointed as time goes by.

[skeeter]

I guess you must have missed all the contortions of logic to argue that the 1.5 TRILLION in deficit spending was a 'good' thing - and demonstrably "more Conservative than Reagan" because it funds the military and it showcases Trump's brilliant ability to work with all sides.  Never mind that the entirety of the Democrat agenda was also fully funded.

If we don't, that just makes us 'haters' in the declarations of the Trump faithful - and too 'pure' and 'judgmental' and 'holier-than-thou' for the good of the country. "What Trump does in his personal life is no reflection on his ability to govern" we have been told.

Character no longer matters.  Only causing the Left to become unhinged in rage as they are bulldozed via 12th dimensional underwater chess is what matters.

Yes.  Because in their twisted logical redefinition of what Conservative actually means - it's all binary.  If you do not support Trump - you must be a Democrat because that is the only choice out there.  With us or against us is the response you get in one form or another in these arguments time and again.

I personally believe we have arrived at the point where we have little in common in terms of core beliefs with Trump's supporters or the Trumplican party.  They have ditched all their principles and hitched all their hopes and dreams onto a man and his party.  For the rest it's a sporting event where cheerleading their star player and 'team' is what will win their office pool for them.   

To validate their abandonment of what they used to stand for - they have gone to war against those who have refused to surrender those principles that they have argued are an obstacle to 'winning'.  It is how Trump fans I know suddenly had no problem with Trump declaring that we need to 'take the guns now, due process later' - when those same people would have gone nuts and went out and bought another thousand rounds of ammo had Obama said that same thing.

All of which is to admit you are as binary as you accuse others of being - either you're against Trump or your lacking in principle.

Which is why I don't much get involved in these silly arguments anymore.

[Concerned]

I am too and I do too.  But.... (and there's always a but)....

I'm also a realist (some would say pessimist...lol).

I know in my soul that there will never be a "balanced budget" in America ever (again).  It's just never gonna happen.  We've been overtaken and overrun by the leftist mindset regarding that spend & spend mentality.

Perhaps you're right, but I'm not ready to give up on a balanced budget and fiscal responsibility just yet (perhaps I'm an optimist).  I certainly think that if the taxpayers and voters are silent on the subject, it'll make it even that much more difficult to get the politicians to do the right thing.  I think there's little downside to speaking out and speaking up to encourage fiscal responsibility.  If I'm wasting my breath, so be it.  That's a small price to pay to voice my opinion and my support for what I think is a critical policy issue for the country.   

[roamer_1]

All of which is to admit you are as binary as you accuse others of being - either you're against Trump or your lacking in principle.

Which is why I don't much get involved in these silly arguments anymore.

But that is, by definition, almost literally true - Principles are 'first things'... Immovable things. If they can be moved, ignored, or discarded, then they are not principles.

[INVAR]

All of which is to admit you are as binary as you accuse others of being - either you're against Trump or your lacking in principle.

I think it is fair to state that their political principles, are obviously not mine.  It is clear we no longer share the same Conservative principles since I refuse to acquiesce and surrender them for the sake of Trump or party - and they have declared that to be enemy action in support of Hillary and the Democrats.

So be it.

Which is why I don't much get involved in these silly arguments anymore.

Smart move on your part if you don't like to argue and fight.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler
I think your grasp of reality has long been lost in your attempts to prove that you were right all along to not trust Trump.

And yet you respond.  Do you think I care what you think of my sanity?
Do you think any one else cares what you think about my sanity.

Why must you always insult?

[cato potatoe]

I cannot conceive of any other theory.  Sorry, but that's the logical scenario.  A lot of people here claim to be sick of Republicans and sick of Trump.

Our only viable hope for the country is to support Trump, elect more conservative Republicans and encourage Trump in the good he is trying to do.

Over half the posters here (not by a real count, just an impression) only post criticism of either Republicans or Trump.

So, why shouldn't I guess that they are either democrat plant or acting like democrat plants.

It isn't just Democrats who are critical.  There are these people called "independents" or third party members, who comprise one third of the electorate.  They have punished the GOP in every election since Trump assumed office.  If he keeps acting like an idiot, they will keep putting a check on him.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

[aligncare]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

 

[INVAR]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

Arguing over principles and doctrine has been going on for over 2,000 years in the Christian church.

Why would anyone assume political principles would be any different?  Apostates and Pragmatic revivalists are always going to clash.

[driftdiver]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

None the less we missed your rational discusdion

[roamer_1]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

What did you expect? That Conservatives would yield to pragmatists, or that pragmatists would suddenly adopt a principled position?

[Emjay]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Yeah, I missed you.

I'm doing some soul searching myself.

I enjoyed this site for a long time, but lately I'm wondering if it's even good for me.

I'm seriously considering a sabbatical of some length ....

I'm also wondering why you come back.  I hate to say but TOS people are more affable and reasonable now than many people here.

[INVAR]

What did you expect? That Conservatives would yield to pragmatists, or that pragmatists would suddenly adopt a principled position?

[INVAR]

I'm seriously considering a sabbatical of some length ....

I'm also wondering why you come back.  I hate to say but TOS people are more affable and reasonable now than many people here.

That was a wonderful opus.

Watch the door as you leave, and enjoy your Trump echo chamber!

[mystery-ak]

I'm seriously considering a sabbatical of some length ....

I'm thinking TBR needs a sabbatical...don't know it it's worth all bickering,insults and complaining I see posted here daily.

[edpc]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Yeah, I missed you.

I'm doing some soul searching myself.

I enjoyed this site for a long time, but lately I'm wondering if it's even good for me.

I'm seriously considering a sabbatical of some length ....

I'm also wondering why you come back.  I hate to say but TOS people are more affable and reasonable now than many people here.

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[musiclady]

I don't post here for six months, and come back and see it is the exact same people doing the exact same sniping at each other as it was six months ago.  Points for consistency, I suppose.

Well, I missed you, Maj. Bill.......

But as has been referred to above, I haven't changed the values and convictions, politically, or spiritually, that I had six months ago,  so if someone (including the Presdident) challenges them, I'm going to issue the same defense as I did then.

I don't expect that to change.

[INVAR]

I'm thinking TBR needs a sabbatical...don't know it it's worth all bickering,insults and complaining I see posted here daily.

It's politics.

Arguing and bickering is what that is all about.  However, since core principles are no longer shared or believed in, the arguments are going to be more personal.

You have it good here compared to other sites that are dealing with far more heinous and direct threats and such.

Society is unravelling - and the internet is where it all gets metastasized.

Taking a sabbatical is not going to make the problems go away.  It's bigger than a discussion board.

[musiclady]

I cannot conceive of any other theory.  Sorry, but that's the logical scenario.  A lot of people here claim to be sick of Republicans and sick of Trump.

Our only viable hope for the country is to support Trump, elect more conservative Republicans and encourage Trump in the good he is trying to do.

Over half the posters here (not by a real count, just an impression) only post criticism of either Republicans or Trump.

So, why shouldn't I guess that they are either democrat plant or acting like democrat plants.

The reason why you shouldn’t is the fact that we have exactly the same conservative (and moral)principles we had before Trump appeared.

There are no Dems on this board, and the sooner you give up that false premise the better off you’ll be.

I tried very hard to stay loyal to the Republican Party as it disintegrated before my very eyes.

The nomination of Donald Trump was a bridge too far.

It has no moral principles left.

[INVAR]

The reason why you shouldn’t is the fact that we have exactly the same conservative (and moral)principles we had before Trump appeared.

There are no Dems on this board, and the sooner you give up that false premise the better off you’ll be.

I tried very hard to stay loyal to the Republican Party as it disintegrated before my very eyes.

The nomination of Donald Trump was a bridge too far.

It has no moral principles left.

That we have steadfastly REFUSED to abandon, compromise and surrender those principles to support Trump is the bridge too far for the Pragmatists.

This internecine war is between the loyalty to Conservative principles first and foremost over loyalty to a politician and his party first and foremost.

Never the two shall meet again.  We are permanently separated and no longer share a common foundation.