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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2018, 08:38:03 pm »
Somebody has Flake confused with "conservative."  Maybe they're using some definition of the word I'm not familiar with.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2018, 08:44:13 pm »
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/03/11/sure-sounds-like-jeff-flakes-running-president/

Sure sounds like Jeff Flake’s running for President
He’s said before that he thinks a conservative probably *will* challenge Trump in 2020 but this may be the first time he’s said a conservative *should* challenge him. And it’s not hard to guess who that challenger is likely to be. The universe of conservatives willing to primary POTUS is small, partly because the, ah, universe of conservatives is small. Within that universe, even hardcore anti-Trumpers like Ben Sasse will decline to jump in knowing that doing so would cost them their jobs. Even Mitt Romney, possibly the right’s most prominent Trump critic, is off the board now that he’s decided to focus on the Senate.

Off the top of my head, the number of conservatives with governing experience, a bit of national name recognition, contempt for Trump, and little to lose by mounting a doomed primary challenge includes Flake, Bob Corker, maaaaaybe Tom Coburn, and that’s it. And of those three, Flake clearly seems most enamored with the idea of a “battle for the soul of the Republican Party.”

more at link
There are plenty of others, such as Bill Kristol. Glen Beck. Media types. Talkers.

And they need a platform. Will it be tax increases, pipeline closings, troop withdrawals, submission to NK, more regulations?

Come on. Big ideas are needed, for "true conservative" big shots.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2018, 08:49:36 pm »
Somebody has Flake confused with "conservative."  Maybe they're using some definition of the word I'm not familiar with.

I've always seen Flake as both fiscally and socially conservative.  Could you expand on ways in which he's not?
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2018, 08:56:37 pm »
There are plenty of others, such as Bill Kristol. Glen Beck. Media types. Talkers.
 
And they need a platform. Will it be tax increases, pipeline closings, troop withdrawals, submission to NK, more regulations?

I know we are all delusional about reality.  We see the world through the blinders we construct to filter out the stuff that conflicts with what we KNOW to be real.  All we really care about is what we like.

But honestly do you really think Kristol, Beck, or Flake would call for "tax increases, pipeline closings, troop withdrawals, submission to NK, more regulations?"

I do not.

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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2018, 08:57:32 pm »
I've always seen Flake as both fiscally and socially conservative.  Could you expand on ways in which he's not?

He was pushing for Amnesty for Illegals since before he was inaugurated (Gang of Eight anybody?), and voted for cloture on the last major gun-control bill.  Sure-fire losers in AZ politics.  He was great in Congress before that, and I was a close watcher of his because I lived in his District.  I was a major supporter of his when he ran to replace Jon Kyle. 

Everybody has a hot button issue, and those are two of mine because of things that have happened in my life.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2018, 09:03:18 pm »
He was pushing for Amnesty for Illegals since before he was inaugurated (Gang of Eight anybody?), and voted for cloture on the last major gun-control bill.  Sure-fire losers in AZ politics.  He was great in Congress before that, and I was a close watcher of his because I lived in his District.  I was a major supporter of his when he ran to replace Jon Kyle. 

Everybody has a hot button issue, and those are two of mine because of things that have happened in my life.

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I'm sorry you've been touched by those issues ;(.  I do think DACA is a special case, and I can see a conservative supporting that limited group on the grounds of fairness and charity, both of which I think of as values shared by Conservatives.  But I can understand disagreement on that point.

It does seem like he has a strong pro-life history and believes in fiscal responsibility, which I've always thought of as Conservative cornerstones.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2018, 09:04:26 pm »
Maybe that's a question: what do you all see as the issues that absolutely define American Conservatism?
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2018, 09:09:44 pm »
Problem is,  guys like Flake, Romney, McMullin and Kasich are heirs to the Goldwater and Kemp traditions,  and that's not where the GOP is at these days. 

The best bet is with an independent run, but as was noted above only if the Dems cooperate and nominate a looney leftist.   

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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2018, 09:19:53 pm »
Maybe that's a question: what do you all see as the issues that absolutely define American Conservatism?

I might be willing to talk DACA with someone, provided the word "dreamer" is stricken from the conversation.  Good luck getting a definition of "conservatism," that's sort of what this forum is for. :pondering:
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2018, 09:31:34 pm »
I might be willing to talk DACA with someone, provided the word "dreamer" is stricken from the conversation.  Good luck getting a definition of "conservatism," that's sort of what this forum is for. :pondering:

That is the impression I get ;).  It's kind of why I'm here, to learn from you all.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2018, 09:32:36 pm »
What they all have in common, is losing.  This is the perfect place to reminisce over them.

Nearly 1 1/2 years after electing Trump, this is a daily gathering of denial, coulda, shoulda, woulda -- pick your loser of the day.

Don't forget Dole, John Anderson, and John McCain.

#nevertrump is "stupidtism" above all

The criteria for membership is being wrong on everything for over 2 years.

   Thank You for the insight into my troubled soul but again @truth_seeker it's all just conjecture on your part and thanks also for sharing.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2018, 10:11:53 pm »
   Thank You for the insight into my troubled soul but again @truth_seeker it's all just conjecture on your part and thanks also for sharing.
Not that my soul is troubled, but I am heading out for a 4-5 mile walk now that the rain is over (I think).

Aerobic exercise, fresh air, some sat radio for rock, blues, jazz or political news and talk.

About the worst that could come of that, is a troubled sole. @corbe
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2018, 10:16:32 pm »
Not that my soul is troubled, but I am heading out for a 4-5 mile walk now that the rain is over (I think).

Aerobic exercise, fresh air, some sat radio for rock, blues, jazz or political news and talk.

About the worst that could come of that, is a troubled sole. @corbe

Enjoy your walk @truth_seeker  ^-^

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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2018, 10:17:07 pm »
   I'll fix another Bloody Mary, open up another pack of Winstons and anxiously await your return @truth_seeker besides my Rockets who had their 17 game winning streak snapped by Toronto Friday night are about to snap the Mavericks 2 game streak in about an hour, so hurry back.   :beer:
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2018, 10:25:24 pm »
Not that my soul is troubled, but I am heading out for a 4-5 mile walk now that the rain is over (I think).

Aerobic exercise, fresh air, some sat radio for rock, blues, jazz or political news and talk.

About the worst that could come of that, is a troubled sole. @corbe

Enjoy the walk!  My SIL tells me it's very nice right now.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2018, 10:29:50 pm »
   I'll fix another Bloody Mary, open up another pack of Winstons and anxiously await your return @truth_seeker besides my Rockets who had their 17 game winning streak snapped by Toronto Friday night are about to snap the Mavericks 2 game streak in about an hour, so hurry back.   :beer:

You speak of jungle ball?


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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2018, 10:34:55 pm »
   Yes, though I have heard much worse racial denigrations of the NBA.  Besides the FMW (Female Mud Wrestling) it's the only sport I watch and some still, dare call me a racist.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2018, 10:47:12 pm »
   Yes, though I have heard much worse racial denigrations of the NBA.  Besides the FMW (Female Mud Wrestling) it's the only sport I watch and some still, dare call me a racist.

When I hear "Jungle Ball," it's football and its dozens of Felons that come to my mind.  Is there a channel that covers FMW regularly?  I'd like to see that.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2018, 10:56:55 pm »
@Cyber Liberty I haven't looked lately. I'm still catching the reruns in the early morning hours, during REM.

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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2018, 11:01:17 pm »
@Cyber Liberty I haven't looked lately. I'm still catching the reruns in the early morning hours, during REM.



But where are the midgets????
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2018, 11:04:24 pm »
But where are the midgets????

I just saw a vid on Bookface of four midgets running a relay race with a camel.  The internet has many, many strange attractions so I am sure there is a place to find midget FMW.  Rule 34, sweetie, Rule 34.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2018, 11:07:50 pm »
I just saw a vid on Bookface of four midgets running a relay race with a camel.  The internet has many, many strange attractions so I am sure there is a place to find midget FMW.  Rule 34, sweetie, Rule 34.

@Cyber Liberty heheheheh
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2018, 11:20:11 pm »
@Cyber Liberty heheheheh
My husband just learned that his cousin's daughter has adopted the "fursona" of a Dutch Angel Dragon.  I shudder to think where that leads, and I weep for my son's future.

Boyohboy.  I Googled that, and it's exactly what I thought it was.  Could be worse.  Your son could be a Bronie.
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2018, 12:45:42 am »
Maybe that's a question: what do you all see as the issues that absolutely define American Conservatism?

Few folks are wholly conservative or liberal.  Most orient one way or another, but as you point out values like empathy and compassion are not ideological. 

Conservatives are oriented toward individual liberty and the encouragement of economic initiative in the context of free markets,  meaning they favor equality of opportunity, not necessarily of result.   Liberals are informed of Rawlesian notions of the role of government, and favor taxation of the community to fund a safety net.   

This broad distinction between conservative and liberal is complicated by the presence, on both the right and the left,  of idiosyncratic obsessions that clash with the libertarian instincts of conservatives and the Rawlesian instincts of liberals.   On the right it is social conservatism,  urging a role for intrusive government in the support of Biblical morality,  and on the left it is identity politics, which is amoral cynicism that undercuts the credibility of its communitarian impulse.   
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Re: Flake calls for 2020 Trump primary challenger
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2018, 12:58:27 am »
Unless the GOP scraps the winner take all primary system, Trump will be as hard to stop in 2020 as he was in 2016.

As long as Trump keeps winning Conservative positions... and handing democrats their asses on a silver plate..... 2020 is a landslide with anyone .
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