Trump kicked off video game executive meeting by showing them gruesome and bloody images from their

[RoosGirl]

You may have bought into the 'It takes a village' mentality, but I don't need a 'Daddy' Government like you do. 

As for motivation to 'organize' - I already told you that we are working towards getting Conservatives out of your failed party and into an actual Limited Government party.

Unlike you Liberal Big Government people, I do not view government as a solution to the problem.  It IS the problem.  Violence in entertainment is just a morality, religious and principles problem that you people have lectured us in the past couple of years as wholly irrelevant and a scourge and pox in your party.  The very morality you have ridiculed and dismissed as irrelevant and a 'purity problem' the you don't want anywhere near your politics, is the root cause of our cultural rot. 

You and your liberal pals in the Democrat party have already trod down principles and biblical religion being prominent in favor making men your kings and government your god.

@INVAR You know what else strikes me is that the people who keep telling us that character does not matter as far as who we elect to our gov't are now telling us that we need that gov't to meddle in correcting the character of kids/parents.

[INVAR]

@INVAR You know what else strikes me is that the people who keep telling us that character does not matter as far as who we elect to our gov't are now telling us that we need that gov't to meddle in correcting the character of kids/parents.

Isn't that amazing?

And they will proudly tell you that since the little people cannot be trusted to raise their kids the ''correct way'' with the proper morals, that it is the job of government to do it for them.

Oh yes. 

The Trumplican Populists have illustrated that they share EXACTLY the SAME mentality that the Godless Left does when it comes to empowering government to impose a new morality.  They just differ slightly on what is culturally accepted as 'moral'. BOTH agree that it is government that should administer it, targeting different objects to achieve the same ends.    Let's not blame guns for the cultural disregard and cheapness of life and regulate and abolish the right to keep and bear them, let's instead blame video games and television and regulate and abolish those instead.

[Fishrrman]

Well, I'll go against the grain in this thread.

Good on Mr. Trump for doing just what he did.
Show them the crap they purvey, and rub their noses in it.

Somehow, the meme that the overwhelming and gratuitous violence in today's video games (mostly consumed by the young and impressionable) doesn't "promote violent behavior" -- well, it just don't wash with me.

Would you also proffer that teaching children about explicit sex over and over from age 9 or 10 (and up) doesn't promote sexual behavior?

Would you prefer that the kids get exposed to the sex, the violence -- or both?

[ABX]

@INVAR You know what else strikes me is that the people who keep telling us that character does not matter as far as who we elect to our gov't are now telling us that we need that gov't to meddle in correcting the character of kids/parents.

QFT

[RoosGirl]

Well, I'll go against the grain in this thread.

Good on Mr. Trump for doing just what he did.
Show them the crap they purvey, and rub their noses in it.

Somehow, the meme that the overwhelming and gratuitous violence in today's video games (mostly consumed by the young and impressionable) doesn't "promote violent behavior" -- well, it just don't wash with me.

Would you also proffer that teaching children about explicit sex over and over from age 9 or 10 (and up) doesn't promote sexual behavior?

Would you prefer that the kids get exposed to the sex, the violence -- or both?

Who here said the video games were okay for kids?  They have labels on them to warn the parents of their content and their recommended age for play.  For example, Grand Theft Auto is rated M, Mature 17+ because of "Intense violence, blood and gore, nudity, mature humor, strong language, strong sexual content, use of drugs and alcohol".  So parents can't say they didn't know what their kids would be exposed to in the game.  From everything I can tell by looking at the cover the game makers made that game for an adult to play.  What business is it for the gov't to step in and tell the game maker they have to change the games?

I don't think I've heard of Trump setting up a meeting with the leaders in the porn industry for them to tone down their product.  I wonder why that is.  Who wouldn't laugh their ass off at those optics?

[INVAR]

Well, I'll go against the grain in this thread.

Good on Mr. Trump for doing just what he did.
Show them the crap they purvey, and rub their noses in it.

The Left does the same exact thing.  They just change the focus of blame.

Like this:

Somehow, the meme that the overwhelming and gratuitous violence in today's gun culture (mostly by racist white privileged rednecks and supremacists) doesn't "promote violent behavior" -- well, it just don't wash with me.

Would you also proffer that teaching children how to shoot a gun or hunt over and over from age 9 or 10 (and up) doesn't promote mass murder?

Would you prefer that the kids get exposed to the use of a gun, the violence it will cause -- or both?

We are become a wicked and immoral culture.  Blaming video games and TV is as silly as blaming guns.

I don't think I've heard of Trump setting up a meeting with the leaders in the porn industry for them to tone down their product.  I wonder why that is.  Who wouldn't laugh their ass off at those optics?

Marvelous point!

And one that will be ignored wholesale.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yep, you think government are our parents... There it is in a nutshell... All of our freedoms come from government and if "we" abuse them then government will take them away...

Not at all @DB ... I'm 100% for parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles standing up and demanding a change in the "entertainment" anesthetizing our kids to violence and the value of life.

My post is a warning to parents:  Stand up now or this administration will fill the void because the status quo is untenable.

If parents won't do this, they at least should stop bitching and whining about government trying to do a job they have abdicated. 

[edpc]

I find the whole premise absurd.  When you look at the deadliest mass shootings that have occurred, many of the individuals had prior mental health issues or motives unrelated to movie/game content.  It's not like we're talking about valedictorian choir boys flipping a switch after playing Grand Theft Auto.  These people are already disaffected losers seeking validation in fantasies.

[The_Reader_David]

Whenever this comes up, I post the image published during one of the previous rounds of moral panic about video games:

https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/smart/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Ferikkain%2Ffiles%2F2012%2F12%2Fvideogameviolencechart-e1356881775994.jpg


(For some reason the image tags TBR's software provides won't display it, so there's a link to it.)

Evidence at the epidemiological level provide no support for the view that violent video game content leads to societal violence, and in fact -- the usual caveat about correlation not implying causation being noted -- supports the contrary view that violent video games provide a cathartic outlet for young men's aggressive instincts, and thus lead to a reduction in violent crime.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I find the whole premise absurd.  When you look at the deadliest mass shootings that have occurred, many of the individuals had prior mental health issues...

So if violent video games/music/movies cannot be directly linked to mass murder we should not be concerned about them?  Is mass murder really the only manifestation of the damage these cause to young minds and souls?

[RoosGirl]

Not at all @DB ... I'm 100% for parents and grandparents and aunts and uncles standing up and demanding a change in the "entertainment" anesthetizing our kids to violence and the value of life.

My post is a warning to parents:  Stand up now or this administration will fill the void because the status quo is untenable.

If parents won't do this, they at least should stop bitching and whining about government trying to do a job they have abdicated.

Yeah, parents should demand that game makers stop making games that were not intended for kids that the parents let them play anyway.   

[edpc]

So if violent video games/music/movies cannot be directly linked to mass murder we should not be concerned about them?  Is mass murder really the only manifestation of the damage these cause to young minds and souls?

In what context and setting did Trump bring this issue up?  Besides, this is what you really need to know about his epiphany.

"I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is really shaping young people's thoughts," he said Thursday at the White House.

Really?  He's 'hearing' it?  From whom, Ivanka?  Does he actually have any original thoughts on it or is he just regurgitating things people tell him?

[Right_in_Virginia]

In what context and setting did Trump bring this issue up?

Conservatives, most especially "real" conservatives, have spoken for at least a decade against the rampant violence in video games/music/movies --- asserting it is damaging to our kids and a major contributor to the hardening of our society.  They wanted changes in these industries.  Now, based on your postings and others, changing this industry is either too hard, a waste of effort, unnecessary or a government overreach.

Here are the only options for this turnaround in opinion:  Conservatives were lying then or they're against action now because the President is for it. 

Damn disappointing.   

[Axeslinger]

In what context and setting did Trump bring this issue up?  Besides, this is what you really need to know about his epiphany.

"I'm hearing more and more people say the level of violence on video games is really shaping young people's thoughts," he said Thursday at the White House.

Really?  He's 'hearing' it?  From whom, Ivanka?  Does he actually have any original thoughts on it or is he just regurgitating things people tell him?

I really don’t like the man but I’m willing to give him credit here for at least sitting down with people and having conversations about every aspect.  He isn’t going with knee jerk political expediency.  He’s gathering information and collating it, and for that I give him credit.

Now what he does with it remains to be seen, and I have the same misgivings that others have expressed here...but thus far I give him credit.

[edpc]

Conservatives, most especially "real" conservatives, have spoken for at least a decade against the rampant violence in video games/music/movies --- asserting it is damaging to our kids and a major contributor to the hardening of our society.  They wanted changes in these industries.  Now, based on your postings and others, changing this industry is either too hard, a waste of effort, unnecessary or a government overreach.

Here are the only options for this turnaround in opinion:  Conservatives were lying then or they're against action now because the President is for it. 

Damn disappointing.   

Content from games and movies is not sitting out there waiting to grab kids, like a troll under the bridge. If there is a problem to be addressed concerning the nation’s moral decline, it’s the breakdown of the family unit. Do we really want him championing that cause?

[RoosGirl]

Content from games and movies is not sitting out there waiting to grab kids, like a troll under the bridge. If there is a problem to be addressed concerning the nation’s moral decline, it’s the breakdown of the family unit. Do we really want him championing that cause?

How much more simple could it get? 

Well, the gov't could always require that content be submitted and reviewed for approval prior to publishing, but I hate to think what that would mean for the porn that Trump seems to enjoy.

[Suppressed]

I really don’t like the man but I’m willing to give him credit here for at least sitting down with people and having conversations about every aspect.  He isn’t going with knee jerk political expediency.  He’s gathering information and collating it, and for that I give him credit.

Now what he does with it remains to be seen, and I have the same misgivings that others have expressed here...but thus far I give him credit.

Fair enough, @Axeslinger. I will give that credit, too. Thank you.

[INVAR]

My post is a warning to parents:  Stand up now or this administration will fill the void because the status quo is untenable.

That's funny... I think we were told this very same thing regarding gun registration and imposed insurance on possessing firearms by our resident Leftist: stand up and support gun bans and registration now, or the Left will do it for you.

I no longer recognize where you "Conservatives" in the Trumplican Party start and Liberal Leftist Democrats end anymore.  You both sound exactly the same.

Conservatives, most especially "real" conservatives, have spoken for at least a decade against the rampant violence in video games/music/movies --- asserting it is damaging to our kids and a major contributor to the hardening of our society. 

What ever happened to the foundational plank of 'individual responsibility' that was once championed by Conservatives?  To get government off our backs? 

Now it's become an advocacy for more government oversight and power, as long as it is your prince and his administration doing it.

I find your plea disingenuous at best, because it was "Conservatives" like you who in one form or another insisted those of us pushing religion and biblical morality were a drag on your party and that we needed to abandon our principles to become more pragmatic and open to the secular/hedonists who make up the majority of society.  When "Conservatives" lectured us that fighting for traditional family values was a losing political position, it was inevitable that this 'hardening of society' you speak of would result and require more government iron-fistedness to keep order.  A warning that was poo-poohed as 'paranoia'.  Now... here we are.  Solutions to problems rooted in a lack of basic morality - now need government intervention to 'fix' with great aplomb by 'Conservatives' such as yourself.

So please - CAN your false outrage over the 'hardening of society' when the actual principles, doctrines and morality that Conservatives were insisting be championed and maintained were rejected and ridiculed as embarrassments and 'losers' in your party.

[kevindavis007]

The Left does the same exact thing.  They just change the focus of blame.

Like this:

Somehow, the meme that the overwhelming and gratuitous violence in today's gun culture (mostly by racist white privileged rednecks and supremacists) doesn't "promote violent behavior" -- well, it just don't wash with me.

Would you also proffer that teaching children how to shoot a gun or hunt over and over from age 9 or 10 (and up) doesn't promote mass murder?

Would you prefer that the kids get exposed to the use of a gun, the violence it will cause -- or both?

We are become a wicked and immoral culture.  Blaming video games and TV is as silly as blaming guns.

Marvelous point!

And one that will be ignored wholesale.

Imagine if a President Hillary Clinton did the same thing. Those who are supporting Trump on this won't be supporting her.

[DB]

Conservatives, most especially "real" conservatives, have spoken for at least a decade against the rampant violence in video games/music/movies --- asserting it is damaging to our kids and a major contributor to the hardening of our society.  They wanted changes in these industries.  Now, based on your postings and others, changing this industry is either too hard, a waste of effort, unnecessary or a government overreach.

Here are the only options for this turnaround in opinion:  Conservatives were lying then or they're against action now because the President is for it. 

Damn disappointing.   

Is that you Tipper?

Trump is one of the people directly involved with the "hardening of society" over decades. The irony is too much.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's funny... I think we were told this very same thing regarding gun registration and imposed insurance on possessing firearms by our resident Leftist: stand up and support gun bans and registration now, or the Left will do it for you.

Translation:  "We must cave in to the left, or the left will cave in without us."  A nonsensical rationalization for not digging in and resisting.

[txradioguy]

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. ~ Ronald Reagan

[INVAR]

In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we've been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. ~ Ronald Reagan

That idea does not fly or have any value in today's Trumplican Party Txradio.

Government IS the solution because we the little people cannot be trusted with liberty.  The idea of self-governing individuals, morality, limited government, responsibility without the need for Big Statism to do everything for us - is considered a "loser" position in the party of Trump, and actually has been before he got there.

[txradioguy]

That idea does not fly or have any value in today's Trumplican Party Txradio.

Government IS the solution because we the little people cannot be trusted with liberty.  The idea of self-governing individuals, morality, limited government, responsibility without the need for Big Statism to do everything for us - is considered a "loser" position in the party of Trump, and actually has been before he got there.

Sad but true @INVAR  However for all these people talking about how conservative Trump is...I like to draw from Reagan's own words as a reminder to them about just exactly how far from Conservatism both they and Trump really are.

[Jazzhead]

So if violent video games/music/movies cannot be directly linked to mass murder we should not be concerned about them?  Is mass murder really the only manifestation of the damage these cause to young minds and souls?

Good point.  The lack of studies that "link" violent video games to mass murder isn't a free pass to the abdication of common sense. 

 Prepubescent children playing games the object to which is to inflict realistic violence on others cannot be healthy.   Common sense says it desensitizes them.  Most can compartmentalize such images and actions, but for others the games are similar to chronic masturbation. 

I don't want "more laws",  but I have no objection to a bit of the "bully pulpit" being applied concerning the responsibilities that each of us has when it comes to raising our future generations.   Parents, to be sure,  but the folks who profit off these games need to understand that they are obliged as members of the community to exercise some restraint.