First Excerpts of Nunes Memo Released

[aligncare]

And to think.... we came "..." this close to becoming a full-fledged commie/banana republic under Evita Clinton.  Whew!

And people still wonder why I lit candles to Trump’s safety and success in securing the office...

[Oceander]

Not the least of which was the media, which did its part in creating false narratives and unflattering portrayals of Trump, and lies about him and his businesses. They were the visible enemies of Donald Trump’s presidential aspirations. They did the most damage by sucking in republicans and conservatives who should have known better. They were the ones that helped give rise to NeverTrump within the Republican ranks.

And here we go, wasting a most valuable opportunity by spouting demonstrably false Trump-worship.

Why not focus on what the democrats did and why it’s so wrong and not on trying to revive a false narrative of Trumps godlike wisdom and purity. 

[edpc]

It’s not a crime without a statute and even then, only if immunity doesn’t apply.

Just for clarification, are you saying this is similar to the collusion ‘charge’ where there’s no stated law against it?

[Oceander]

@Oceander

Make a note of 2(a) of FISA law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1805

Yes, and ....   where does that say it’s a crime to present facts that turn out to be false to the court?

[XenaLee]

@jpsb
FBI Assistant Director Rosenstein signed off on the FISA renewal and he knew origins of the dossier at the time.

Ah yes.  Another one that should (if there was any real justice in America) be frog-marched to the hoosgow. 

[Oceander]

Just for clarification, are you saying this is similar to the collusion ‘charge’ where there’s no stated law against it?

Just for clarification, yes or no, do you still beat your gay boyfriend?

Try asking a legitimate question instead of a leading question designed to set up a straw man.

[Bigun]

Yes, and ....   where does that say it’s a crime to present facts that turn out to be false to the court?

FACTS can never turn out to be false councilor!

[jmyrlefuller]

Yes, and ....   where does that say it’s a crime to present facts that turn out to be false to the court?

That's called perjury. I would think a lawyer would know that.

[240B]

Not the least of which was the media, which did its part in creating false narratives and unflattering portrayals of Trump, and lies about him and his businesses. They were the visible enemies of Donald Trump’s presidential aspirations. They did the most damage by sucking in republicans and conservatives who should have known better. They were the ones that helped give rise to NeverTrump within the Republican ranks.

The media was Hillary's biggest supporter, and was Trump's worst enemy. Even they couldn't stop him. In fact, Trump picked up on their zealousness and used it against them by making fools of them time after time.

It is not just the FBI who went all-in. The media did too. And they are paying for it now. Trust in the media is at an all time low. Most of that is due to their propaganda war against Trump. They told so many lies with 'anonymous sources' that nobody believes them anymore. They sold their soul for Clinton and they lost, and they are still losing now because they refuse to give it up.

[driftdiver]

It absolutely isn’t treason, and you’re wasting the opportunity it provides if you continue barking up that tree.

@Oceander
It is against the law for govt employees to conduct political activities on the clock.  Let alone lying to a judge to make those activities easier and more effective.

Lying to a court in an effort to remove a President is a big effen deal and Joe would say.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@truth_seeker
@Oceander is a lawyer.  he makes his living lying to the court.

Hey @mystery-ak you ban someone like @Cripplecreek and are fine with this little midget attack oceander? You should be ashamed!

[Emjay]

You betcha!!!!  Spend some time reading about what cops and prosecutors routinely get away with will turn your stomach.

I know, but they are dealing with dumb criminals who forgot to lawyer up and keep their mouths shut.

I'm not sure what relevance that has to this case.

[edpc]

Just for clarification, yes or no, do you still beat your gay boyfriend?

Try asking a legitimate question instead of a leading question designed to set up a straw man.

@Oceander

You certainly misread the intent behind my question.  The collusion charge has always been dismissed because a) there’s no evidence of it and b) there’s no specific crime of collusion.

All I was asking is if you’re saying the other FISA issue was similar.

[INVAR]

That's called perjury. I would think a lawyer would know that.

And as Bill Clinton demonstrated, a big fat nothing-burger if you are a Democrat and a Clinton.

[driftdiver]

Yes, and ....   where does that say it’s a crime to present facts that turn out to be false to the court?

@Oceander
If you know those "facts" to be false when you submit them to the court it is a crime.   They knew the 'facts' to be false.  They've admitted they knew the facts to be false.

[truth_seeker]

/snicker

Yes, a joke to you along with your fellow lawyers, both Clintons, both Obamas, Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein, etc.

And of course Harvard Law grad, Adam Schiff.

Spinning and parsing. It all depends of what the meaning of is, is.

[ABX]

Yes, and ....   where does that say it’s a crime to present facts that turn out to be false to the court?

I think what Bigun was getting at, something being discussed on the other thread, was that the FISA court can't be used to directly target US citizens, only the foreign agent. This, to me, is one of the bigger points here not being discussed. The FISA court was used directly against citizens.

[Emjay]

This is absolutely treason, working to throw an election to Hitlery who was using Russian propaganda to take down the opposition candidate. Hitlery and her hubbie were swimming in Russian money and sold them US uranium.

If the Russian connection against Hillary could be proved, it might slip over into treason.

But I've been watching the documentary 'Scandalous' on Fox and Hillary has been getting away with stuff for lo, these many years.

[driftdiver]

Hey @mystery-ak you ban someone like @Cripplecreek and are fine with this little midget attack oceander? You should be ashamed!

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
You're just mad because this memo has turned out to be everything they said and you are stuck eating crow.

@Oceander has admitted to being creative in court.   I know a lot of lawyers and they admit they lie to the court.   Public defenders and prosecutors.     Our legal system is short on justice.   Now go back to eating your crow.

 @mystery-ak

[240B]

And here we go, wasting a most valuable opportunity by spouting demonstrably false Trump-worship.

Why not focus on what the democrats did and why it’s so wrong and not on trying to revive a false narrative of Trumps godlike wisdom and purity.

@Oceander


I realize that you are an unbeliever. I realize that you do not have faith. But really, do you have to spread your heresy here? Bow down. Accept the reality of what Trump is and you will be saved. I do not want for you to die in sin.


   Be reasonable. Recognize the Trump, and you will be all the better for it.

[INVAR]

I think what Bigun was getting at, something being discussed on the other thread, was that the FISA court can't be used to directly target US citizens, only the foreign agent. This, to me, is one of the bigger points here not being discussed. The FISA court was used directly against citizens.

Yes.  Just like the IRS was used to target Conservative groups and punish them.

You really think anyone involved with any of this is going to get a criminal or even political indictment?

I sure don't.

Just ask Lois Lerner about that.

[driftdiver]

If the Russian connection against Hillary could be proved, it might slip over into treason.

But I've been watching the documentary 'Scandalous' on Fox and Hillary has been getting away with stuff for lo, these many years.

@Emjay
Its been proven that the Clinton Foundation paid for at least part of the dossier.  I dont think she'll get connected to it though.

I am hopeful this will lead to reopening the investigation into the email server.    Hopefully not all the evidence burned up in that fire they had recently.

[ABX]

If the Russian connection against Hillary could be proved, it might slip over into treason.

But I've been watching the documentary 'Scandalous' on Fox and Hillary has been getting away with stuff for lo, these many years.

Based on their own narrative, that is one of the most damming parts, even beyond the fake dossier.

[Emjay]

And people still wonder why I lit candles to Trump’s safety and success in securing the office...

Yes ... just keep a picture of Hillary on your desk anytime you want to jump on Trump.  It sure changed my mind.

But, beware, there are people here who land on that like a frog on a fly ... they can't stand the 'better than Hillary' meme.

[Bigun]

I think what Bigun was getting at, something being discussed on the other thread, was that the FISA court can't be used to directly target US citizens, only the foreign agent. This, to me, is one of the bigger points here not being discussed. The FISA court was used directly against citizens.

There you go!