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BREAKING: Senator Lindsey Graham Just Confirmed The Steele Dossier Was Used For 2016 FISA Warrant…
Posted on December 30, 2017   by sundance

Everyone suspected the sketchy Steele Dossier was what corrupt FBI and DOJ officials used to get the October 2016 FISA warrant against Trump. FBI and DOJ officials refuse to answer that question publicly.

Despite a hundred different ways congressional investigators have asked the question, and despite numerous on-camera questions to FBI and DOJ officials about the 2016 FISA process, no-one had definitively confirmed the Christopher Steele ‘Russian Dossier’ was the underlying evidence for the 2016 FISA application to gain wiretaps and electronic surveillance upon presidential candidate Donald Trump.   UNTIL NOW.

Senator Lindsey Graham just confirmed the sketchy Steele Dossier was used to get the wiretap and surveillance warrant from the FISA court.  Brian Kilmead understood what he was hearing was serious, but didn’t quite catch the specific gravity of it

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 So who is surprised by this revelation?
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To any legal types...

Would fruit of the poisonous tree apply, or is there enough attenuation that this is now irrelevant for things being dug up now?

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Graham also said 80% of Americans want to give amnesty to dreamers.

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So who is surprised by this revelation?
Well, having fruity Lindsey being the one to spill the beans does lend some surprise.
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He danced to the line, but didn't quite cross it and say "The FBI used this 'dossier' to obtain a FISA warrant."  It remains a nothing burger, Graham only convinced those of us who already knew how the dossier was used.

Besides, it's on Fox, and the rest of the press has been hanging tough on not spreading stories from Fox until the rest of the world already knows.  They'll be damned to Hell before they let Fox have a scoop.
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To any legal types...

Would fruit of the poisonous tree apply, or is there enough attenuation that this is now irrelevant for things being dug up now?

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No, because there is no poisonous tree here AFAIK.  The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine prevents the government from using material that was derived from a constitutional violation; it's the basis of the suppression doctrine for unconstitutionally obtained evidence.

A dodgy dossier is not a violation of the Constitution.

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No, because there is no poisonous tree here AFAIK.  The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine prevents the government from using material that was derived from a constitutional violation; it's the basis of the suppression doctrine for unconstitutionally obtained evidence.

A dodgy dossier is not a violation of the Constitution.

So fabricating evidence isn't a violation of due process? That's a new one.

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So fabricating evidence isn't a violation of due process? That's a new one.

Sure it is, but it's not an example of the "poisoned fruit" doctrine.
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So fabricating evidence isn't a violation of due process? That's a new one.

Prove that the agents who presented the dossier as a basis for the warrant knew that it was false - not just that some of it was subject to question, but that it was affirmatively false.

Probable cause does not require certainty, and can be found even if it turns out that the evidence on which it is based turns out to be false.

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BREAKING: Senator Lindsey Graham Just Confirmed The Steele Dossier Was Used For 2016 FISA Warrant…
Posted on December 30, 2017   by sundance

Everyone suspected the sketchy Steele Dossier was what corrupt FBI and DOJ officials used to get the October 2016 FISA warrant against Trump. FBI and DOJ officials refuse to answer that question publicly.

Despite a hundred different ways congressional investigators have asked the question, and despite numerous on-camera questions to FBI and DOJ officials about the 2016 FISA process, no-one had definitively confirmed the Christopher Steele ‘Russian Dossier’ was the underlying evidence for the 2016 FISA application to gain wiretaps and electronic surveillance upon presidential candidate Donald Trump.   UNTIL NOW.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/12/30/breaking-senator-lindsey-graham-just-confirmed-the-steele-dossier-was-used-for-2016-fisa-warrant/

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The overall lack of interest on this topic proves that dragging/stretching this process over time creates a 'Deer in the Headlights' syndrome.

...especially for the typical political news junkie, like us.   ^-^

We 'knew' this last Summer...if not earlier.

Not until those responsible for ordering or collaborating in the FBI/DOJ are actually arrested... in a ATF/IRS raid as was conducted on Paul Manafort, will our attention be aroused.

Everything else is bullsh8t.
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This whole matter sounds like one huge conspiracy theory... that is, until you actually start looking into its elements.

From what is already factually demonstrable (through emails and written communications), from the politically incestuous relationships between the parties involved, and from their self-evident confluence of interest, it becomes apparent that a large portion of the U.S. intelligence community was embroiled in a criminal effort to assist its favored President candidate by smearing the reputation of her opponent.

It is not a conspiracy, at all. It was being done right out in the open by powerful and politically-connected people whose arrogance and audacity had grown exponentially after eight years of Obamian governance.

And where is the news media? Still promoting the false narrative, of course, for they were an element of the plan, as well.
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This story is huge and series!

Glad to see the board and Lindsey take up this cause.



This whole matter sounds like one huge conspiracy theory... that is, until you actually start looking into its elements.

From what is already factually demonstrable (through emails and written communications), from the politically incestuous relationships between the parties involved, and from their self-evident confluence of interest, it becomes apparent that a large portion of the U.S. intelligence community was embroiled in a criminal effort to assist its favored President candidate by smearing the reputation of her opponent.

It is not a conspiracy, at all. It was being done right out in the open by powerful and politically-connected people whose arrogance and audacity had grown exponentially after eight years of Obamian governance.

And where is the news media? Still promoting the false narrative, of course, for they were an element of the plan, as well.
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