New Study Shows Gay Men Have Variation Of DNA Over Straight men

[mirraflake]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5155691/Controversial-study-links-DNA-gay.html


Is being gay in your DNA? Homosexual men share two gene variants that suggest they are born with their sexual preference, claims controversial study
Experts surveyed the sexual orientation of 1,077 gay and 1,231 straight men
Genome-wide association study looked for variations in DNA linked to sexuality
They found two regions with variants most strongly associated with sexuality
These were located on chromosomes 13 and 14 near genes that may be relevant to the development of sexual orientation

[mirraflake]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way, some are from abuse and environment and just plain horndogs also.

[driftdiver]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5155691/Controversial-study-links-DNA-gay.html


Is being gay in your DNA? Homosexual men share two gene variants that suggest they are born with their sexual preference, claims controversial study
Experts surveyed the sexual orientation of 1,077 gay and 1,231 straight men
Genome-wide association study looked for variations in DNA linked to sexuality
They found two regions with variants most strongly associated with sexuality
These were located on chromosomes 13 and 14 near genes that may be relevant to the development of sexual orientation

uh huh yeah right

[Free Vulcan]

Where's that 'Jeez Not This S*** Again' pic?

Gays got to have their genetic legitimization for what they do.

[mirraflake]

uh huh yeah right

The very first time you ate ice cream you found out you liked chocolate over vanilla.   Why is that? Why do you like chocolate over vanilla?

People are born with may things that influence their wants. 

Chinese are finding through actual scientific research facial characteristics lead to different personality types or certain behaviors. We are also finding out child molestors and murderers  have brains that are different from normal people.

We no longer live in the Middle Ages.

@driftdiver

[Jazzhead]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way, some are from abuse and environment and just plain horndogs also.

That's probably where the truth lies.

[truth_seeker]

DNA science is moving very fast. It is used to convict or exonerate murderers.

It is also used for paternity, for medicine research and treatment, and for family genealogy connections.

My own genealogy (paper family tree) and DNA testing agree completely.

[dfwgator]

I truly believe some gay men are born that way

Some. But it's a tiny percentage.

[driftdiver]

The very first time you ate ice cream you found out you liked chocolate over vanilla.   Why is that? Why do you like chocolate over vanilla?

People are born with may things that influence their wants. 

Chinese are finding through actual scientific research facial characteristics lead to different personality types or certain behaviors. We are also finding out child molestors and murderers  have brains that are different from normal people.

We no longer live in the Middle Ages.

@driftdiver

Does the difference cause the behavior or does the behavior cause the difference?

Depends on the issue.   To say that all gay people are gay because of a 2 genes is a huge stretch and really really poor science.

[Oceander]

Some. But it's a tiny percentage.

How do you know that?

[driftdiver]

How do you know that?

@Oceander
Prove its not.

[mirraflake]

   To say that all gay people are gay because of a 2 genes is a huge stretch and really really poor science.

Epilepsy (etc) runs in some families over less than 2 genes.

@driftdiver

[Oceander]

@Oceander
Prove its not.

I’m not the one who made the knowledge claim, so I’m not the one who has to prove anything. 

Prove the knowledge claim, or else STFU and see where the science takes us. 

[driftdiver]

I’m not the one who made the knowledge claim, so I’m not the one who has to prove anything. 

Prove the knowledge claim, or else STFU and see where the science takes us.

@Oceander
The thread is about someone saying 2 genes cause gayness.   

SO GFY with a Gene

[driftdiver]

Epilepsy (etc) runs in some families over less than 2 genes.

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
So you're saying being gay is a disease?

If being gay is the result of these 2 genes it should be easy to prove.   Everyone anywhere who has engaged in gay behavior should have this combination.    OR as the article says they found some of the gay people had this combination, which means some didn't.   which means  its all hype.

[aligncare]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

[Jazzhead]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

That is logical, and has the ring of truth. 

[LMAO]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that

Especially when this is out there

[driftdiver]

Who would purposely choose to be homosexual? I don’t buy that.

Genes determine so much of our physical and mental traits that it’s hard to dismiss evidence suggesting a DNA link to homosexuality.

@aligncare
People who were abused?  People with low self esteem who are seduced by other gay people?   People who are convinced by society that its cool to be gay?   People who have other mental health issues and can't get a date with the opposite sex?  People who decide it feels good so they must be gay?  People who get drunk and don't care who they have sex with?   People who are just promiscuous and don't care who they sleep with?

A whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with these two genes.

[truth_seeker]

A new field in genetics is "Epigenetics," and it goes beyond just genes and chromosomes.

There are scientific journal articles, and videos on YouTube. An entity called "CARTA," under the auspices of UC San Diego, deals with the subject for instance.

They are NOT studying homosexuality. They ARE studying human genetics, migrations, various aspects of populations down through the ages.

It is a big topic. Most people will not even start to study it. It is easier to have uninformed opinions that way.

[mirraflake]

@aligncare
People who were abused?  People with low self esteem who are seduced by other gay people?   People who are convinced by society that its cool to be gay?   People who have other mental health issues and can't get a date with the opposite sex?  People who decide it feels good so they must be gay?  People who get drunk and don't care who they have sex with?   People who are just promiscuous and don't care who they sleep with?

A whole host of reasons that have nothing to do with these two genes.

I know 3 gay men well. One is a relative, one is my SIL brother and one is a friend. None were abused, had low self esteem etc. and they are all now in their 50's or older and were gay way before it was cool.
The woman in my hometown who turned out to  be lesbian has the body and face of  a man. I blame a chemical mixup during gestation on that one.  If I showed you her HS grad photo I would bet you a $1000 if you could tell me if she was a female.

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

I know 3 gay men well. One is a relative, one is my SIL brother and one is a friend. None were abused, had low self esteem etc. and they are all now in their 50's or older and were gay way before it was cool.
The woman in my hometown who turned out to  be lesbian has the body and face of  a man. I blame a chemical mixup during gestation on that one.  If I showed you her HS grad photo I would bet you a $1000 if you could tell me if she was a female.

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
Well there ya go, a sample of 3 means its genetic.  no need for further discussion or scientific research

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
So you're saying being gay is a disease?

If being gay is the result of these 2 genes it should be easy to prove.   Everyone anywhere who has engaged in gay behavior should have this combination.    OR as the article says they found some of the gay people had this combination, which means some didn't.   which means  its all hype.

Nope. Epilepsy is a medical condition, not a disease. and I never did say 100% of gays had this gene disorder. Go back and read what I wrote.

@driftdiver

[mirraflake]

@mirraflake
Well there ya go, a sample of 3 means its genetic.  no need for further discussion or scientific research

Well I thought you said being gay was due to abuse, attention, environment, cool factor, horniness?  So where do these 3 fit?

@driftdiver

[driftdiver]

Well I thought you said being gay was due to abuse, attention, environment, cool factor, horniness?  So where do these 3 fit?

@driftdiver

@mirraflake
Could be any of the above and you just don't know the truth.   Its very common for abuse victims to hide their history.   

I also have a friend that was a lesbian.  She looked very masculine.   Her hair, clothes and actions were more like a man.    She was also very unhappy and one day decided to change her life.   she met a man and ended up married.    guess what, now she doesn't look masculine and she has credited my friendship as being a factor in her choosing to change.

"Oh its genetics" is just another snowflake excuse so people don't have to take responsibility for their behavior.  Are there genetic abnormalities, sure there are but not to the extent you want to believe to make yourself feel better,