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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #125 on: November 09, 2017, 05:56:38 am »
Republicans are going to lose in 2018 because they have given the people zero reason to vote for them.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #126 on: November 09, 2017, 01:13:29 pm »
Republicans are going to lose in 2018 because they have given the people zero reason to vote for them.
Precisely. Being the "not democrat" is the most threadbare and thin of reasons.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #127 on: November 09, 2017, 01:16:52 pm »
Republicans are going to lose in 2018 because they have given the people zero reason to vote for them.

The enjoy your freedoms and culture being taken away by the Dems.  If apathy's your excuse,  then you deserve what you'll get. 

Republicans lost in Virginia for the simplest of reasons - they were divided and Dems were united.  Sure, the Dems were united for negative reasons - opposition to Trump - but too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect. 

Maybe we need the wake-up call of a progressive sweep in 2018, and the real pain that will cause, to get conservatives to remember the life-lesson of solidarity.   Because it's the lack of solidarity - in Congress and at the polls - that is killing us.     
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #128 on: November 09, 2017, 01:33:39 pm »
The enjoy your freedoms and culture being taken away by the Dems.  If apathy's your excuse,  then you deserve what you'll get. 

Republicans lost in Virginia for the simplest of reasons - they were divided and Dems were united.  Sure, the Dems were united for negative reasons - opposition to Trump - but too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect. 

Maybe we need the wake-up call of a progressive sweep in 2018, and the real pain that will cause, to get conservatives to remember the life-lesson of solidarity.   Because it's the lack of solidarity - in Congress and at the polls - that is killing us.   

Virginia's been gone for the GOP for awhile.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #129 on: November 09, 2017, 01:33:42 pm »
The enjoy your freedoms and culture being taken away by the Dems.  If apathy's your excuse,  then you deserve what you'll get. 

Republicans lost in Virginia for the simplest of reasons - they were divided and Dems were united.  Sure, the Dems were united for negative reasons - opposition to Trump - but too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect. 

Maybe we need the wake-up call of a progressive sweep in 2018, and the real pain that will cause, to get conservatives to remember the life-lesson of solidarity.   Because it's the lack of solidarity - in Congress and at the polls - that is killing us.   

The division has been made to the current members of the GOP Congress which consists of too few conservatives and too many RINO's.  I personally don't see the win by a DEM in VA as all that surprising; Trump didn't win that state during the election and  NJ is and has been a lost cause for quite awhile and I'm glad to see jelly doughnut boy gone...another RINO bites the dust.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #130 on: November 09, 2017, 01:52:00 pm »
I'm pretty sure a significant number of Trump "embracers" don't actually want a representative republic.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #131 on: November 09, 2017, 02:00:04 pm »
too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect.

Conservatives refuse to participate because the State GOP actively worked towards defeating the Conservative candidate four years ago, giving us four years of Terry McAuliffe.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #132 on: November 09, 2017, 02:11:53 pm »
M'am, with all due respect, maybe you had best reread my comment. Damn it, I have been kicked off websites for opposing Trump, and now I'm being accused of supporting him because he is rallying the democrats?

WTF???

I see this country as having one chance to survive the next twenty years. That chance will be to tone down the rhetoric which will have people shooting each other in the streets (already happening) Quit spending money we can't afford to print, and get right with The Almighty.

I don't see any of that happening, in fact, it's getting worse.
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I have NO idea why I said that to you.  I must have been half asleep.

My humblest, sincerest apologies, sir.

I'm removing my post as it was nonsensical.   :shrug:

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #133 on: November 09, 2017, 02:18:28 pm »
I'm pretty sure a significant number of Trump "embracers" don't actually want a representative republic.


I agree.  If our elected officials aren't supposed to represent us at the local and state level, but blindly sign on to the POTUS agenda, why even have state and local government?  Personally, I like having people represent me, not the voters in SFO and NYC.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #134 on: November 09, 2017, 02:46:55 pm »
I agree.  If our elected officials aren't supposed to represent us at the local and state level, but blindly sign on to the POTUS agenda, why even have state and local government?  Personally, I like having people represent me, not the voters in SFO and NYC.

The more local government is, the better it is.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #135 on: November 09, 2017, 03:04:20 pm »
The enjoy your freedoms and culture being taken away by the Dems.  If apathy's your excuse,  then you deserve what you'll get. 

Republicans lost in Virginia for the simplest of reasons - they were divided and Dems were united.  Sure, the Dems were united for negative reasons - opposition to Trump - but too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect. 

Maybe we need the wake-up call of a progressive sweep in 2018, and the real pain that will cause, to get conservatives to remember the life-lesson of solidarity.   Because it's the lack of solidarity - in Congress and at the polls - that is killing us.   
My country, one which my ancestors and relatives had a material role in founding, which has, despite our protests through centuries now, strayed from those concepts in action and spirit is dying of a cancer from within. That cancer is a combination of moral rot, corruption, and socialistic greed.

It really pisses me off when some jackass bound by their philosophical false dichotomy and loyalty to the party of not the other party presents that slithering ichor as the only alternative to drinking the pus that is the other. and then tells me to ENJOY it!

Personally, I didn't make this mess.

I have campaigned against it.

 I have railed against it for decades, in person, in newsletters, in letters to editors, most of which were not published at all or were so heavily redacted by some editor that they became gibberish--which is why I stopped using that approach, and finally on the internet fora I have participated in.
 
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I have watched as events, facts, and logic have been twisted into Gordian knots of "reasoning" in some perverse attempt to justify the destruction of this Nation, and tried to point out the fallacies, the LIES, the motivation (where clear enough) and have been called most everything for my efforts, but little of it nice.

ENJOY? Oh, Hell NO! I'm NOT having fun watching people tear down what nearly 20 generations of my family have worked to help build and maintain as a legacy for our progeny. It is like watching wild animals shred and destroy the contents of a museum full of fine art, using the shredded bits of illuminated manuscripts for nesting material.

Enjoy?

Are you nuts?

Republicans lost in Virginia, partly because of a smarmy attack ad conflating historical preservation with racism and even violence against children. It was the ultimate victim card, an implied threat against innocent children manufactured from the stygian imaginations of the pit that substitutes for morality in the Democrat Party, where "WINNING!" is their only goal, where nothing, and I mean nothing is so sacred as keeping their tight fisted hands on the lash of power.

 It used the visual symbolism of the native Virginian against them, the pickup (an icon of "rednecks"), powerful, black (ever the color of the reaper), flying the Confederate Battle Flag (by now turned by relentless campaigns of lies into a symbol of racism and oppression for the historically illiterate who fail to realize it was a standard under which armies fought, not a political symbol), the 'eeevil' white guy in sunglasses, the powerful internal combustion engine emitting all that nasty stuff little pissant internal combustion engines do, just at a little faster rate, without regard for Gaia and the whole fricking planet, and only missing swerving to run down some little furry critter in the road because the big, mean, evil, black, truck with the white guy at the wheel was supposedly hunting an improbably diverse assemblage of terrified and fleeing innocent children (of color, natch) to... ??? Leaving the fate of those waifs to the demented and tormented imagination of the viewer, primed as they are with the whole concept that "whitey" (remember, the people who "didn't build" this, the country to which these folks emigrated, willingly for the most part--and which they remain free to return from to wherever else they would care to call home) is out to "GET YOU", whatever that entails.

That ad is the Democrat Party's Triumph of the Will, something Riefenstahl and Goebbels would have applauded as a masterpiece of the propagandist's art for its visual and visceral message. A message of lies, psychologically projecting the very hatred Liberals feel onto those who are not liberals. Funny thing about that projection, what they accuse you of, they dream of themselves.
As political crap goes, it doesn't get much lower than that, although Steyer's impeachment ad is a contestant, simply for its level of projection and prevarication. Despite its fireside chat format, it fails to deliver the vivid visual and visceral message and lacks the psychological impact of the anti-Gillespie ad. 

For all this yadda yadda about how the Republicans have some attack dog for the boss, I'm seeing a bunch of complacent, lazy, people counting on being the Party of "Not Them" getting them elected, counting on votes from people who do not like the Democrat policy because, well, where else are you going to go?  (like we Conservatives have been treated for the past few decades, this has come to the rank and file 'moderate' Republican, now).

That.
Just.
Isn't.
Enough.

We are dealing with dynamic and energized, well organized opponents who would screw their own mothers on national television if they thought it would gain votes, and do the re-runs on PPV for funding.

The sad part is that their strategy (versus talking big and doing nothing) is working swimmingly with their base, and the only rebuttal is coming from a scattering of pundits and folks on the web. Where it needs to come from are the Conservative actions of those who have long made promises to set things straight, who have kicked the can down the road, one more time, one more term. We don't need to hear what might be implemented by 2035, we need to know what the GOP has accomplished TODAY, and every day to restore this Republic.

Without that, people aren't going to get out and vote in numbers to overcome the fraud, the illegal votes, the miscounts, recounts, and legions of self-interested voters nuzzling at the Government teat.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #136 on: November 09, 2017, 03:11:26 pm »
I have NO idea why I said that to you.  I must have been half asleep.

My humblest, sincerest apologies, sir.

I'm removing my post as it was nonsensical.   :shrug:

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #137 on: November 09, 2017, 03:20:29 pm »
I have NO idea why I said that to you.  I must have been half asleep.

My humblest, sincerest apologies, sir.

I'm removing my post as it was nonsensical.   :shrug:

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #138 on: November 09, 2017, 03:22:15 pm »
I apologize but may I be the first to blame the Russians?
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #139 on: November 09, 2017, 05:24:25 pm »
The media has been desperately reaching to prop up the Democrats with the results of this election, grabbing at the tiniest scraps about precincts flipping in the NYC suburbs and special elections in Georgia. And of course the near flipping of the VA House.

In all these articles I've seen nothing of GOP turnout compared with past elections, or demographics shifts such as has been going on in VA, or any other analysis. All I've seen is the media trying to make rope out of rags and waive it like Neville Chamberlain's ratty piece of paper, trying to pull a Walter Cronkite and fool us into thinking the GOP is losing a war they're winning, and it's all Trumps fault.

Not buying their crude attempt at momentum shifting for a second.
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« Reply #140 on: November 09, 2017, 05:43:01 pm »
The media has been desperately reaching to prop up the Democrats with the results of this election, grabbing at the tiniest scraps about precincts flipping in the NYC suburbs and special elections in Georgia. And of course the near flipping of the VA House.

In all these articles I've seen nothing of GOP turnout compared with past elections, or demographics shifts such as has been going on in VA, or any other analysis. All I've seen is the media trying to make rope out of rags and waive it like Neville Chamberlain's ratty piece of paper, trying to pull a Walter Cronkite and fool us into thinking the GOP is losing a war they're winning, and it's all Trumps fault.

Not buying their crude attempt at momentum shifting for a second.


That's what I said.   The New York propaganda system is desperately trying to damage Trump so he can be taken out in the next election.   It is the same strategy they always use against Republican Presidents,  but this year they are putting even more effort into it. 

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #141 on: November 09, 2017, 05:43:25 pm »
The media has been desperately reaching to prop up the Democrats with the results of this election, grabbing at the tiniest scraps about precincts flipping in the NYC suburbs and special elections in Georgia. And of course the near flipping of the VA House.

In all these articles I've seen nothing of GOP turnout compared with past elections, or demographics shifts such as has been going on in VA, or any other analysis. All I've seen is the media trying to make rope out of rags and waive it like Neville Chamberlain's ratty piece of paper, trying to pull a Walter Cronkite and fool us into thinking the GOP is losing a war they're winning, and it's all Trumps fault.

Not buying their crude attempt at momentum shifting for a second.
Just more Bolshevik tactics form latter day bolsheviks. Don't buy the lies.

At the same time, there was some downright artful propaganda in that one ad, they have upped their game over in Liberalland, and they will try to start a war yet if they don't get their way.

That kind of crap is hard to fight, so the 'pubbies are going to have to have a serious list of accomplishments they can point to to get out the vote on the Conservative side (because they aren't going to be able to fight the emotional power of ads that have kids being hunted down). The Dems have implanted a visceral image of white males in pickups hunting and herding minority children. Although that situation has probably occurred with some role reversal going on, they got there 'firstest with the mostest' with a highly polished piece of racist agitprop.
As propaganda goes, Riefenstahl and Goebbels would have pinned gold medals on whoever came up with that and hired them on the spot.

Unfortunately, those voters who sucked that up are likely lost to reason, which means that the GOP is going to have to provide some very good reasons for people to vote for them, aside from just being 'not those other guys'.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #142 on: November 09, 2017, 06:10:54 pm »
Just more Bolshevik tactics form latter day bolsheviks. Don't buy the lies.

At the same time, there was some downright artful propaganda in that one ad, they have upped their game over in Liberalland, and they will try to start a war yet if they don't get their way.

That kind of crap is hard to fight, so the 'pubbies are going to have to have a serious list of accomplishments they can point to to get out the vote on the Conservative side (because they aren't going to be able to fight the emotional power of ads that have kids being hunted down). The Dems have implanted a visceral image of white males in pickups hunting and herding minority children. Although that situation has probably occurred with some role reversal going on, they got there 'firstest with the mostest' with a highly polished piece of racist agitprop.
As propaganda goes, Riefenstahl and Goebbels would have pinned gold medals on whoever came up with that and hired them on the spot.

Unfortunately, those voters who sucked that up are likely lost to reason, which means that the GOP is going to have to provide some very good reasons for people to vote for them, aside from just being 'not those other guys'.

Excellent point. Nothing's changed from last November. The GOP got elected to power, but need some legislative results to keep it, and so far all we've had is McCain and crew jumping ship on every major reform issue, and McConnell trying to play plausible deniability.

That's not to say I don't have issues with Trump. The tweeting and verbal gaffes drive me crazy sometimes, but he's also used his executive orders to undo Obama's. Being a guy that prefers action over words, he gets my support for that.

But if the Congressional GOP does nothing, then yes I do see them losing in '18, for the simple reason of the example you've given of the nasty DNC propaganda machine. If the Reps doesn't give people a reason to vote for them, then the smear ads of the Dems are going be all the voters see and hear, and the GOP base won't turn out.

So if the GOP Congress wants to follow the media's Trump blame game for Tuesday's results, they better take heed because that's not going to do them any favors come next year if they don't get off the dime.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #143 on: November 09, 2017, 06:12:53 pm »
Excellent point. Nothing's changed from last November. The GOP got elected to power, but need some legislative results to keep it, and so far all we've had is McCain and crew jumping ship on every major reform issue, and McConnell trying to play plausible deniability.

That's not to say I don't have issues with Trump. The tweeting and verbal gaffes drive me crazy sometimes, but he's also used his executive orders to undo Obama's. Being a guy that prefers action over words, he gets my support for that.

But if the Congressional GOP does nothing, then yes I do see them losing in '18, for the simple reason of the example you've given of the nasty DNC propaganda machine. If the Reps doesn't give people a reason to vote for them, then the smear ads of the Dems are going be all the voters see and hear, and the GOP base won't turn out.

So if the GOP Congress wants to follow the media's Trump blame game for Tuesday's results, they better take heed because that's not going to do them any favors come next year if they don't get off the dime.

The GOP Congress better realize that if Trump goes down, he takes them down with him.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #144 on: November 09, 2017, 06:20:19 pm »
The GOP Congress is going down. A bunch of Republicans are refusing to run. Goodlatte(R-Va) almost lost last election and he is stepping out. The Democrats will have the howling media on their side. It feels like 2006 again except for the economy and the media can declare war on that as they did in 2006.

Republicans aren't giving people a reason to vote for them.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #145 on: November 09, 2017, 06:34:33 pm »


Republicans aren't giving people a reason to vote for them.
That's it in a nutshell. While the Dems are energizing their base with slick agitprop, the 'pubbies aren't fulfilling their promises at all. Who's going to GOTV and win in that scenario?
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #146 on: November 09, 2017, 09:46:40 pm »
Apology accepted.

THANK you!

(Seriously........... I don't drink or do drugs, and in reading that this morning, I have NO idea why I wrote that.  I don't think that of you in the slightest........never have.   :shrug:)
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #147 on: November 09, 2017, 11:39:12 pm »
THANK you!

(Seriously........... I don't drink or do drugs, and in reading that this morning, I have NO idea why I wrote that.  I don't think that of you in the slightest........never have.   :shrug:)
I was pretty much floored by the comment, and thought perhaps you had me confused with someone else. We're good, water under the bridge.
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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2017, 11:41:31 pm »
I was pretty much floored by the comment, and thought perhaps you had me confused with someone else. We're good, water under the bridge.

Maybe I did.

It's still weird............... and I'm still befuddled.  :dx1:
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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Re: A must-win for Dems in Virginia
« Reply #149 on: November 10, 2017, 01:10:15 am »
The enjoy your freedoms and culture being taken away by the Dems.  If apathy's your excuse,  then you deserve what you'll get. 

Republicans lost in Virginia for the simplest of reasons - they were divided and Dems were united.  Sure, the Dems were united for negative reasons - opposition to Trump - but too many conservatives appear willing to refuse to participate out of some warped sense of "principle" when the GOP candidate isn't ideologically perfect. 

Maybe we need the wake-up call of a progressive sweep in 2018, and the real pain that will cause, to get conservatives to remember the life-lesson of solidarity.   Because it's the lack of solidarity - in Congress and at the polls - that is killing us.   

Please, oh please, tell me how the titular head of the "conservative" movement right now (according to RIV, at least) is doing ANYTHING to unite us.

Trump is a saboteur. And, no, I'm not talking about the GOPe. I'm talking about the anything right of Bernie Sanders on the political spectrum.

Socialism, here we come. Donald Trump voters - thanks a ton for this.
How to lose credibility while posting:
1. Trump is never wrong.
2. Default to the most puerile emoticon you can find. This is especially useful when you can't win an argument on merits.
3. Be falsely ingratiating, completely but politely dismissive without talking to the points, and bring up Hillary whenever the conversation is really about conservatism.
4. When all else fails, remember rule #1 and #2. Emoticons are like the poor man's tweet!