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The  DANGER from one party control of the dominant media is not that conservatives will be unable to find information. 

The DANGER is that a misinformed public will act on incorrect or a lack of correct information.

It's really hard to argue with that, but I find the choice of weapon under discussion to do something about it very dubious.
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At this point i'm ready to say  "F*** controlling it.   Just burn the whole sonnofab*tch down. "   Kill Television in total,  and let people get their news from newspapers.   

Like WaPo and the NYT? Maybe the National Enquirer?

Or print magazines like:
AARP Magazine
Costco Connection
Game Informer
Better Homes and Gardens
Reader's Digest (Best digested in the back of the dirty book store)
Good Housekeeping
National Geographic
Family Circle
People
Woman's Day

(Those are the top ten, based on issues distributed, (in order from most to least) in print magazines).
http://www.therichest.com/business/the-top-ten-best-selling-magazines-in-the-united-states/

With the complete conversion to alarmist warmist nonsense in National Geographic, there isn't a lot there for a conservative to go on, although Reader's Digest used to be fairly conservative (I haven't seen one in a couple of decades, I think the Mail Mule eats them).
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The thing wouldn't even exist but for government approved licenses,  and the naive among us don't want "government"  involved in what was the very creation of government.
Government didn't create the electromagnetic spectrum, it licensed it.

Demand Conservative TeeVee and it will happen, but you need to abandon the Liberal Teevee first. I think the niche is open since Fox shifted a little to leftward.

Unless you think ideology must be imposed by force, let ideas compete in the marketplace. You sound like a liberal wanting to shut down Conservative talk radio. Face it though, TV lends itself to liberals who sit on their arses and watch it. Radio appeals to Conservatives who are likely to be doing something and need to keep their eyes on that while they can listen to the radio. It is the fundamental reason for the media disparity.
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Yeah, but didn't you see that 36% of households get the MSM channels in their living rooms?  You know how you fix that?  The gov't should impose required watching/listening times over a variety of channels.


When you have devolved to mockery,  you are unable to put forth a real argument.   

Demanding that both sides have access to the people is not tantamount to the government forcing people to watch something.   


In the candidates debates,   I assume you would think it ridiculous if we had a "debate"  where only the Democrat candidate was allowed to speak.   

Well I've got news for you.   With the media,  Every freaking day is a political debate with the Opposition putting forth their points,  and occasionally one of their pet monkeys claiming to be on our side offering up a weak pathetic rebuttal if any sort of rebuttal is allowed at all. 


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It's really hard to argue with that, but I find the choice of weapon under discussion to do something about it very dubious.

Not to mention DANGERous......

And a great way to have the government in control of everything we hear and read.

A la PRAVDA, as @Smokin Joe so aptly mentioned above.

THAT is what is being advocated here.
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It's really hard to argue with that, but I find the choice of weapon under discussion to do something about it very dubious.

I could start broadcasting with 1500 Watts of power this afternoon IF I was allowed into those portions of the spectrum!  I'm not!
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OF COURSE it offends me. And yes, I was there. I was on the very thread when it happened. THAT is how you beat the press. Magnify that process and keep them honest.



Your suggest we wait until the stars align,  and then we can occasionally win one small victory amidst the long trail of tragic losses?   


We got lucky with Dan Rather.   There are so many other instances in which the lies were never rebutted. 

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Not to mention DANGERous......

And a great way to have the government in control of everything we hear and read.

A la PRAVDA, as @Smokin Joe so aptly mentioned above.

THAT is what is being advocated here.
 

Certainly NOT what I'm advocating!  There are millions of people out there at this moment who could compete with the big boys in radio and television IF the fed gov would allow them to do it. I happen to be one of them!
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Regulating bakers - bad.  Regulating newspapers - good.


Someone pulled a dishonest switcheroo on something I said earlier.   I said "Music"  they switched the word to "entertainment". 


I don't think any discussion of newspapers has been advanced by anyone so far.   I have consistently spoken of the Television broadcasting monopoly created by the Government and under the control of left wing interests.   

I think everyone else is also on this same page,   but now you assert we are trying to regulate "newspapers."   


Dishonest.  Very dishonest. 

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Your suggest we wait until the stars align,  and then we can occasionally win one small victory amidst the long trail of tragic losses?   


We got lucky with Dan Rather.   There are so many other instances in which the lies were never rebutted.
It wasn't luck, it was someone catching a classic case of Liberal overreach. They will do it again, and we'll bring down another one. Lather (and they will get lathered up, that's when they lose it), rinse, and repeat.
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Certainly NOT what I'm advocating!  There are millions of people out there at this moment who could compete with the big boys in radio and television IF the fed gov would allow them to do it. I happen to be one of them!

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In 1963, Smith took his act to the border when the Inter-American Radio Advertising's Ramon Bosquez hired him and sent him to the studio and transmitter site of XERF-AM at Ciudad Acuña in Mexico, a station whose high-powered border blaster signal could be picked up across much of the United States. In an interview with writer Tom Miller, Smith described the reach of the XERF signal: "We had the most powerful signal in North America. Birds dropped dead when they flew too close to the tower. A car driving from New York to L.A. would never lose the station."[5] Most of the border stations broadcast at 250,000 watts, five times the U.S. limit, meaning that their signals were picked up all over North America, and at night as far away as Europe and the Soviet Union. It was at XERF that Smith developed his signature style (with phrases like "Who's this on the Wolfman telephone?") and widespread fame.

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That inevitably means a federally designated arbiter of truth.


Requiring the media to reflect the political makeup of the public at large constitutes a "federally designated arbiter of truth"?   


How does it do that?     We accept the premise for Blacks and Women.   Why is it such a far stretch to demand equal representation for Conservatives?    Why should the media be permitted to employ 95% Liberals and 5% Libertarians?   

Conservatives make up 40% (or more)  of the populace,  and without discrimination, they would make up 40% of the broadcasting system staff.   

If Affirmative Action laws were used to accomplish this result,  would this somehow make the Federal Government the "Arbiter of Truth"? 


Not suggesting this is the only way to break the log jam,  just pointing out that this is one possible way to do it without creating a government ministry of truth. 


It disproves the theory that a "ministry of truth"  is necessary.   

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Wow.  Just wow.  Who, may I ask, would you appoint to be the "Truth Czar?"  Who decides what the truth is?


Like a record stuck in a groove.   Doesn't hear a d@mn thing I'm saying. 


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Those stations were exceedingly expensive to operate and maintain which is why they are no more!
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Requiring the media to reflect the political makeup of the public at large constitutes a "federally designated arbiter of truth"?   


How does it do that?     We accept the premise for Blacks and Women.   Why is it such a far stretch to demand equal representation for Conservatives?    Why should the media be permitted to employ 95% Liberals and 5% Libertarians?   

Conservatives make up 40% (or more)  of the populace,  and without discrimination, they would make up 40% of the broadcasting system staff.   

If Affirmative Action laws were used to accomplish this result,  would this somehow make the Federal Government the "Arbiter of Truth"? 


Not suggesting this is the only way to break the log jam,  just pointing out that this is one possible way to do it without creating a government ministry of truth. 


It disproves the theory that a "ministry of truth"  is necessary.
This sounds like "Net Neutrality" for the television. I don't approve.
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When you have devolved to mockery,  you are unable to put forth a real argument.   

Demanding that both sides have access to the people is not tantamount to the government forcing people to watch something.   


In the candidates debates,   I assume you would think it ridiculous if we had a "debate"  where only the Democrat candidate was allowed to speak.   

Well I've got news for you.   With the media,  Every freaking day is a political debate with the Opposition putting forth their points,  and occasionally one of their pet monkeys claiming to be on our side offering up a weak pathetic rebuttal if any sort of rebuttal is allowed at all.

No, when *I* devolve to mockery it means I'm tired of the same bullshit being repeated ad nauseum. 

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I agree.  This idea of crushing the freedom of the press is far, far more destructive than who can put what on a cake.



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No, when *I* devolve to mockery it means I'm tired of the same bullshit being repeated ad nauseum.

Hear Hear!!!!!

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Those stations were exceedingly expensive to operate and maintain which is why they are no more!

Were they?  I just remembered hearing Wolfman Jack when I was a kid and being fascinated that he was broadcasting out of Mexico.

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That movie was not good. I hear it was the reason Seymour Hoffman killed himself.

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That movie was not good. I hear it was the reason Seymour Hoffman killed himself.

Well, that figures - I liked it.

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Congress is paralyzed with fear of what the media will do to them if they do the job their constituents sent them there to do. 


No they are not. They are in collusion. Republican does not mean Conservative. They want big gov. They just think they can do it better than the dems.

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That movie was not good. I hear it was the reason Seymour Hoffman killed himself.
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You have no room to talk about movies, and a hearty eff you to you regarding Saw.  I tried to watch it during nap time today and about 10 minutes in I realized you had played a really nasty joke on me.

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Were they?  I just remembered hearing Wolfman Jack when I was a kid and being fascinated that he was broadcasting out of Mexico.

The Transmitters were so large they actually had isles for maintenance people to access the innards!

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien