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IE, taxpayers will eat it.

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President Trump told Fox News Tuesday that "you can say goodbye" to Puerto Rico's debt as the island struggles to recover from the devastation left by Hurricane Maria......

...."They owe a lot of money to your friends on Wall Street and we're going to have to wipe that out," Trump told Rivera. "You can say goodbye to that."

Puerto Rico was facing a $74 billion public debt load prior to Maria and was struggling to recover from a decade-long recession that has caused hundreds of thousands of residents to leave for the U.S. mainland......

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/03/trump-on-puerto-ricos-debt-were-going-to-have-to-wipe-that-out.html



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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2017, 02:11:37 pm »
The link won't work for me. ?

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 02:21:13 pm »
IE, taxpayers will eat it.


No matter how it is done.



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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2017, 02:22:20 pm »
@AbaraXas Thanks!

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2017, 02:37:24 pm »

No matter how it is done.

Yeo.

Sadly our government won't enact a pay as you go plan for future expenditures.  These turds will run up another multi-billion dollar debt we'll end up paying  for again and again.

Wash, rinse, spin.....repeat.
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2017, 02:55:06 pm »
We do not need to wipe out the debt of a failed socialist govt that has spent monies like a drunken sailor.  If we did, it would make a lot more sense to do so for California or Chicago, which are at least in the United States, rather than just a US territory.
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2017, 03:00:41 pm »
Yeo.

Sadly our government won't enact a pay as you go plan for future expenditures.  These turds will run up another multi-billion dollar debt we'll end up paying  for again and again.

Wash, rinse, spin.....repeat.

And from his experience, Trump probably thinks that 'wiping out debt' is simply erasing a line item on a spreadsheet.  He doesn't really see or care about the debt holders (just like all the contractors he screwed in his bankruptcies).

Hell, Trump himself owed $33 Million to Puerto Rico and defaulted on it.

https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/346335/trump-golf-course-puerto-rico-default-33-million-tax-debt/

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2017, 03:14:16 pm »
Yeo.

Sadly our government won't enact a pay as you go plan for future expenditures.  These turds will run up another multi-billion dollar debt we'll end up paying  for again and again.

Wash, rinse, spin.....repeat.

Yep.  We will never get this money.  Probably wouldn't have gotten it anyway but certainly not now.

And so, let's not kid ourselves about 'loans.' 
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2017, 03:28:32 pm »
And from his experience, Trump probably thinks that 'wiping out debt' is simply erasing a line item on a spreadsheet.  He doesn't really see or care about the debt holders (just like all the contractors he screwed in his bankruptcies).

Hell, Trump himself owed $33 Million to Puerto Rico and defaulted on it.

https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/346335/trump-golf-course-puerto-rico-default-33-million-tax-debt/

Look, it's fun to blame this on Trump and the dems certainly will but this has been going on for far too long.

Red State has an article on how stupid it is to say the debt will be wiped out.  And how that debt will be paid by all taxpayers in the U.S.

That's all very true but, realistically, Puerto Rico couldn't pay it before the hurricane and certainly can't pay it now.  We just need to decide if we want to spent billions supporting Puerto Rico or not.

Here's a link and an excerpt from the Red State piece.

https://www.redstate.com/diary/kentucky_dana/2017/10/04/worst-proposal-ever-trump-wants-wipe-puerto-ricos-debt/

There’s more at the original, including notes that this is not a fleshed out policy by any means. But it’s important to note: only two states, California ($151,715,007,000) and New York ($137,369,089,000) have more state debt than Puerto Rico, and both have many times the island Commonwealth’s population. The island’s debt is around $12,400 per capita, a number only approached by the wholly-mismanaged states of Massachusetts ($11,100) and Connecticut ($9,862).

Let’s be clear here: if Puerto Rico’s debt is somehow cancelled, we can count on the island’s government to simply borrow more money, to keep spending more than their production justifies. And it will be the American people who are on the hook for whatever covering Puerto Rico’s debt:
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2017, 03:33:21 pm »
IE, taxpayers will eat it.

Oh sure.  Let's "wipe it out".  Poof.  Neat trick.  Let's wipe out all debt.  Debt is bad.  Debt is evil.  Debt is stupid.  Which is why Trump had so much debt in his businesses and why Trump must believe that declaring bankruptcy is cleansing.

Hey... while we're at it (wiping out Puerto Rico's debt)....let's wipe out America's $20 TRILLION+ debt too (why not?).  I mean... it's not like 'this' congress hasn't accomplished sooo much ""good for America, make America grate again"" stuff already.  Right?

Only one question, Donald.

How?

You can't even repeal the worst "piece" of legislation EVER passed by congress.  How the hell do you plan to 'wipe out' anything.... except maybe your credibility?

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2017, 04:10:01 pm »
The bailout would have to be debt-financed.  It would make more sense to sell the territory, or give it away and let the lucky owner assume the debt.

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2017, 04:12:38 pm »
This has been coming for a long time.  Next Chicago and California will be lining up.
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2017, 04:21:31 pm »
Gee, can I go out and max out my credit card, by a new car and a new house that I can't afford and have the government just say 'poof' and wipe out all my debt?  If they can wipe out an entire island's debt, surely they can wipe out my debt, I'm only one little ole person.   
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2017, 04:26:36 pm »
Gee, can I go out and max out my credit card, by a new car and a new house that I can't afford and have the government just say 'poof' and wipe out all my debt?  If they can wipe out an entire island's debt, surely they can wipe out my debt, I'm only one little ole person.

If you have an expensive college loan the Democrats want to wipe it out for you, too.  All you have to do is sell your soul to them by voting Democrat the rest of your life.   ^-^
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2017, 04:35:38 pm »
Gee, can I go out and max out my credit card, by a new car and a new house that I can't afford and have the government just say 'poof' and wipe out all my debt?  If they can wipe out an entire island's debt, surely they can wipe out my debt, I'm only one little ole person.

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2017, 04:48:34 pm »
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"They owe a lot of money to your friends on Wall Street and we're going to have to wipe that out," Trump told Rivera. "You can say goodbye to that."


You and Melania, eh?

Why, thank you for your generosity.  I was worried that some liberal was going to try to dump it onto the American taxpayer.
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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2017, 05:04:52 pm »
So here we go again, just like during the primaries and general, Trump promising pie in the sky with no clue on how to deliver or implement or what the unintended consequences might be.

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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2017, 05:06:07 pm »
So here we go again, just like during the primaries and general, Trump promising pie in the sky with no clue on how to deliver or implement or what the unintended consequences might be.

He's going to have Mexico pay for it.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2017, 05:25:05 pm »
He's going to have Mexico pay for it.

LOL  President Nieto channeling President Fox "We're not going to pay for that effing Puerto Rico!"

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Re: Trump on Puerto Rico's debt: 'We're going to have to wipe that out'
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2017, 06:08:58 pm »
And from his experience, Trump probably thinks that 'wiping out debt' is simply erasing a line item on a spreadsheet.  He doesn't really see or care about the debt holders (just like all the contractors he screwed in his bankruptcies).



Yes,  Trump strikes me as the sort of fellow that has no understanding of how money or finance works.   He got into Harvard on an affirmative action scholarship,  and he's never actually held a real job in his life.   This is one of the reasons we never should have allowed that lazy ignorant moron to assume office.   Why as stupid as he is,  he will probably add 4 trillion dollars to the National Debt,  and foolishly allow Iran and North Korea to develop nuclear weapons. 


The man is a menace. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2017, 06:10:47 pm »


That's all very true but, realistically, Puerto Rico couldn't pay it before the hurricane and certainly can't pay it now.  We just need to decide if we want to spent billions supporting Puerto Rico or not.




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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2017, 06:11:22 pm »

Yes,  Trump strikes me as the sort of fellow that has no understanding of how money or finance works.   He got into Harvard on an affirmative action scholarship,  and he's never actually held a real job in his life.   This is one of the reasons we never should have allowed that lazy ignorant moron to assume office.   Why as stupid as he is,  he will probably add 4 trillion dollars to the National Debt,  and foolishly allow Iran and North Korea to develop nuclear weapons. 


The man is a menace.

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Oh I think he understands very well how it works.   He's adopted the bankers definition of money and contracts and not the quaint version that most Americans have.
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2017, 06:14:30 pm »
@libertybele
I have a better idea.  Become a banker, make thousands of high risk loans, sell them to the government, make hundreds of millions and then retire.


Sounds like you are trying to give Bill Clinton a pass on his role in creating the mess.   Those bankers wouldn't have been issuing those loans but for Bill Clinton's government assuring them that the government would rescue them if the loans went bad. 


I saw "the Big Short".   It placed all the blame on business,  and virtually none of it on government,  where it actually belonged. 




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