Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[DCPatriot]

1000?   ^-^

[DCPatriot]

 

[Smokin Joe]

I've seen worse. Frankly I enjoy the headshot of that scumbag. He even got off easy.

Nah. Although it is up to a higher judge, I'd guess his troubles are just starting.

[musiclady]

Nah. Although it is up to a higher judge, I'd guess his troubles are just starting.

And will never end...........

[jpsb]

@roamer_1
And yet they had him located within about 10 minutes after it started.    They did an excellent job considering the circumstances.

He was located by the hotel staff.  A private security guard when to his room
because a smoke detector had gone off. The guard was shot and the shooting
stopped. An hour later Swat went in.

[Hoodat]

He was located by the hotel staff.  A private security guard when to his room
because a smoke detector had gone off.

A private unarmed security guard.

[Suppressed]

And will never end...........

It's difficult for me to respect/worship a god that would allow such permanent torment.

If it was caused by a tumor, is he awarded a Get Out of Hell Free pass?  What about influences of childhood?

[TomSea]

The story remains a mystery and I fear the case is going cold as far as motive. Huffington Posts jumps the shark here, ironically, those first two paragraphs are accurate descriptions, we are at a complete dead end per motive, etc.:

Stephen Paddock’s Motive May Have Been To Confound Us—And, Ironically, To Undermine The NRA
Paddock could not have undermined NRA rhetoric better if he tried to, and he may have tried to.
10/03/2017 07:26 am ET Updated 16 hours ago

Four days after a wealthy retired accountant fitting no one’s profile of a terrorist (or deranged lunatic, disgruntled former employee, jilted lover, or mere angry loner) went on the bloodiest shooting rampage in U.S. history, we are no closer to knowing why. Four days is a long time not to know in this age of fast information. But as we desperately hunt for a motive, like a ticking bomb about to obliterate our collective sense of reason, it seems that defying understanding may have been Stephen Paddock’s studied purpose.

We know that far from snapping, Paddock planned his massacre with premeditated precision, at least days if not longer in advance. He cached an arms depot’s worth of guns and ammunition, including at least one fully automatic assault rifle, in a high corner hotel room perfectly positioned to rain hellfire down on thousands of densely corralled victims below. He used a mallet to break two windows with two different vantages over his target, and he set up surveillance cameras to record himself and/or alert him to advancing police. When police finally came for him, he wasted almost no time in killing himself, as if he were just turning the page on a script he had already written.

Continued at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stephen-paddocks-point-may-have-been-how-easy-it-is_us_59d366cbe4b092b22a8e394f

Washington Post:

The former stepdaughters of Marilou Danley, the Las Vegas shooter's girlfriend, said their family has received dozens of death threats since the mass shooting. The former stepdaughters of Marilou Danley, the Las Vegas shooter's girlfriend, said their family has received dozens of death threats since the mass shooting. (Reuters)

Continued at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/10/03/new-details-emerge-about-las-vegas-shooter-stephen-paddock-and-girlfriend-marilou-danley/?utm_term=.0e74bdcf12c2

Right now, we are at a dead end and that may be how it remains.

Maybe the crazy is how uncrazy this guy appears, yes, he apparently berated his wife at Starbuck's but I'm not sure if that even sounds that bad per what the workers say the guy said.

Pilot, no brushes with the law, accountant, letter carrier, IRS agent.

No online footprints, nothing. Books he read? We aren't finding anything out.

[driftdiver]

@TomSea
I would wager the authorities have more information then they've released.

I would also wager he has left footprints online, but he was smart enough to hide them.  It all depends on if the FBI is good enough to find them.

[ABX]

The story remains a mystery and I fear the case is going cold as far as motive. Huffington Posts jumps the shark here, ironically, those first two paragraphs are accurate descriptions, we are at a complete dead end per motive, etc.:

Washington Post:

Right now, we are at a dead end and that may be how it remains.

Maybe the crazy is how uncrazy this guy appears, yes, he apparently berated his wife at Starbuck's but I'm not sure if that even sounds that bad per what the workers say the guy said.

Pilot, no brushes with the law, accountant, letter carrier, IRS agent.

No online footprints, nothing. Books he read? We aren't finding anything out.

It seems on all sides, motivation is a big Rorschach Test. What people are seeing in the motivation is more a reflection of themselves than what's actually on the paper.  What's going to be interesting is when the real motivation comes out, will people believe it or will they have so convinced themselves of the breadcrumbs that led to their own belief, they will reject it?

[TomSea]

He was under some medication and according to the wife, laid in bed and screamed and moan. So, those are those two things.

[driftdiver]

He was under some medication and according to the wife, laid in bed and screamed and moan. So, those are those two things.

@TomSea
He obviously had an untreated mental illness.  A mental illness that if diagnosed would have made him ineligible for a pilots license and probably to buy a firearm.

There is no way the MSM will talk about this.   

[Sanguine]

It seems on all sides, motivation is a big Rorschach Test. What people are seeing in the motivation is more a reflection of themselves than what's actually on the paper.  What's going to be interesting is when the real motivation comes out, will people believe it or will they have so convinced themselves of the breadcrumbs that led to their own belief, they will reject it?

Well said.

[Jazzhead]

Perhaps he knew his time wasn't long and wanted to see if he could commit the "perfect horror" - one that would perfectly confound the world with its lack of "motive" and put him in the history books for all time.   I keep coming back to the mystery of why he offed himself so quickly after the cops found his room - seemingly as methodical a decision as those he had made leading up to his killing spree.   

[Sanguine]

He was under some medication and according to the wife, laid in bed and screamed and moan. So, those are those two things.

Girlfriend, not wife.  Wife implies a whole different level of commitment and intimacy.

[driftdiver]

Perhaps he knew his time wasn't long and wanted to see if he could commit the "perfect horror" - one that would perfectly confound the world with its lack of "motive" and put him in the history books for all time.   I keep coming back to the mystery of why he offed himself so quickly after the cops found his room - seemingly as methodical a decision as those he had made leading up to his killing spree.

@Jazzhead
I think the comment he made to a friend while drunk in the casino gives a clue.  Apparently this was said a while back.    He told the guy he wished he could just kill his mother for inflicting life on him.

I think he was a very troubled person who should have been diagnosed and treated but wasn't because his high intelligence level allowed him to hide it when necessary.  For some reason he had convinced himself that committing this attack was his purpose and probably expected some kind of almost sexual gratification from it.   He stopped shooting after about 10 mins after the guards approached the room.

At that point he may have realized it wasn't the answer he was looking for and he was too much of a coward to answer for it.

A pastor taught me a saying, that people have a God shaped hole in their heart and they try filling it with things like drugs, booze, sex and gambling.   He thought committing a mass murder would give him peace in some twisted way.  Maybe as a payback against his mother and father.

[Mom MD]

It's difficult for me to respect/worship a god that would allow such permanent torment.

If it was caused by a tumor, is he awarded a Get Out of Hell Free pass?  What about influences of childhood?

How about a God that took the penalty on Himself so no one need suffer permanent torment.  All one has to do is accept the pardon won on their behalf

[Applewood]

@TomSea
He obviously had an untreated mental illness.  A mental illness that if diagnosed would have made him ineligible for a pilots license and probably to buy a firearm.

There is no way the MSM will talk about this.

Much easier to just blame the firearms.  Doing so fits the Democrat narrative and the media only tells us what fits that narrative.  That Paddock may have been mentally ill, and mental illness is inadequately treated is not part of the left's agenda.

[ABX]

Perhaps he knew his time wasn't long and wanted to see if he could commit the "perfect horror" - one that would perfectly confound the world with its lack of "motive" and put him in the history books for all time.   I keep coming back to the mystery of why he offed himself so quickly after the cops found his room - seemingly as methodical a decision as those he had made leading up to his killing spree.

Yes, this is me speculating the way I said we shouldn't go too far in doing, but just a thought...

Assuming he was mentally ill, plus a super loner like his brother said, I wonder if he wanted to find a way to go down in the history books. Not just as you said, a perfect horror for motivation, but he wanted some sort of fame or attention he didn't get in real life. He may have imagined movies being made about what he did and his name always on people's mind like John Wayne Gacy or Jack the Ripper.  He wanted to make himself famous in the most infamous way.

[musiclady]

How about a God that took the penalty on Himself so no one need suffer permanent torment.  All one has to do is accept the pardon won on their behalf

@Mom MD
@Suppressed

Perfectly expressed, Mom.

I would only add that, only this loving, omniscient God knows what was in his heart and whether or not he asked forgiveness and accepted His Love and Grace before he died.

And that there would be no human study of "neuroscience" without an omniscient God.  Putting man's knowledge above God's is a dangerous thing to do.

[roamer_1]

I think the comment he made to a friend while drunk in the casino gives a clue.  Apparently this was said a while back.    He told the guy he wished he could just kill his mother for inflicting life on him.

Oh, good Lord. I hope no one ever intends to define me by the asinine things I have said in a drunken stupor.

[Smokin Joe]

It's difficult for me to respect/worship a god that would allow such permanent torment.

If it was caused by a tumor, is he awarded a Get Out of Hell Free pass?  What about influences of childhood?

I have no trouble worshiping a God who allows people to choose,  and who has since he created them.
If you are given a choice to get on a boat and leave an island on fire, but decide not to board, whose fault is that? The boat's? The Island's? Or yours?

The reason I said it is left to a higher Judge is just the concept that there may have been some factor such as a brain tumor rather than some intellectual, spiritual, or other decision on his part. Obviously we don't know what motivated this guy, we don't know him even superficially, much less what was going on inside his brain.
Don't we give those who are non compos mentis a reprieve from their guilt because they are not in their right mind? I would think that our Creator would make allowances for such malfunctions.

[Suppressed]

How about a God that took the penalty on Himself so no one need suffer permanent torment.  All one has to do is accept the pardon won on their behalf

@Mom MD
@musiclady

Well, remember, if He's omnipotent and The Creator, He chose that.  There is no need for torment or penalty except that He created it.  It wouldn't even take a wave of His hand to dispel, if He wanted to.

But this is an age-old theological debate.  My point is that it's debatable, and I find it very difficult to appreciate an entity who would set up such a system.  Perhaps it's meant as a deterrent, but if that were the case, we know from psychology and criminal justice that there are aspects by which deterrence could be improved (e.g., prove that the afterlife actually is real, and that hell is real).  Would a perfect God set up imperfect deterrence?  I don't know.

[Smokin Joe]

Much easier to just blame the firearms.  Doing so fits the Democrat narrative and the media only tells us what fits that narrative.  That Paddock may have been mentally ill, and mental illness is inadequately treated is not part of the left's agenda.

If untreated mental illness was a priority, many university campuses would become Asylums overnight, and much of the Democrat party would be lining up for meds...

[Smokin Joe]

@Mom MD
@musiclady

Well, remember, if He's omnipotent and The Creator, He chose that.  There is no need for torment or penalty except that He created it.  It wouldn't even take a wave of His hand to dispel, if He wanted to.

But this is an age-old theological debate.  My point is that it's debatable, and I find it very difficult to appreciate an entity who would set up such a system.  Perhaps it's meant as a deterrent, but if that were the case, we know from psychology and criminal justice that there are aspects by which deterrence could be improved (e.g., prove that the afterlife actually is real, and that hell is real).  Would a perfect God set up imperfect deterrence?  I don't know.

I can't prove what I saw when I had pneumonia was real, I only know I was told to go back, it was not yet my time. Some might say that it was a hallucination brought on by hypoxia, yadda yadda yadda....but no. There is a 'there' there.