Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[driftdiver]

Maybe accomplices were a no-show, instead and he decided to go it solo. That still seems like a lot of firearms for just one guy to have up there. Also, I saw a graphic which showed the rooms with broken windows were adjacent, but not connected. If correct, he would have had to go into the hall to go from one room to the other. FOr one guy, that doesn't make much sense, unless he broke the window in the other room to throw the police off, and then went into the one he was going to be shooting from. Otherwise, he'd be vulnerable to attack from the hallway when he changed positions.

@Smokin Joe
The article I read indicated the rooms had a door between them.   I think he broke the second window for one of two reasons; 1) to get a different angle or in an attempt to clear out the room of the smoke. 

I don't see any muzzle flashes on the video but its hard to tell.   He was probably sitting back in the rooms and the flash was contained.   

[jpsb]

LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

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LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

Many potential explanations for that... echoing, seeing two broken windows, seeing shots from two separate windows at two different times, etc.  The key would be to ask that transmitter what was meant by the statement.


Remember, many gun enthusiasts on various sites were sure it was an AK from the reports (i.e., sound).  I think we can all agree that many conclusions were wrong.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy

It is very foolish to rule anything out at the start of an investigation. Do you know for a fact there was no another shooter? A very common infantry tactic is to create a field of fire. You don't just fire from one location if you have the means to fire from multiple locations. This is basic stuff that whoever planned this attack was smart enough to know.

Ruling out two or more shooters at the start of an investigation is stupid. And so is your tinfoil comment.

We don't know for a fact that there was a second shooter.  I'm not going to delve into conspiracy theory what if's on stuff like that.  I'm sticking with the facts.  I'll leave the conspiracy theory second shooter false flag stuff for Alex Jones and company.

I understand fields of fire very well.  Which is why I stand by what I said that there would be double the number of KIA and WIA had there been two shooters creating interlocking fields of fire form those two shooting points.  The spacing between platforms with two shooters would have been much more deadly than what ended up happening.  Two shooters...had they planned it right would have divided up those weapons and brought continuous volumes of fire down on that crowd or at the very least one firing while the other reloaded and just alternated in that fashion.

As it is the amount of KIA was and the gaps in times when there was not firing going on indicate to me that he was moving between the two broken windows...firing from one platform...emptying the weapon then moving back to the other firing position.

[txradioguy]

LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

Fog of war and initial confusion because of the situation.

[Bigun]

LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

That only proves that ther was confusion as to exactly were the fire was coming from.

[thackney]

LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’

That article talks of a second shooter on the 29th floor.  Did they use magic bullets that pass through glass without breaking it?

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Two shooters...had they planned it right would have divided up those weapons and brought continuous volumes of fire down on that crowd or at the very least one firing while the other reloaded and just alternated in that fashion.

As it is the amount of KIA was and the gaps in times when there was not firing going on indicate to me that he was moving between the two broken windows...firing from one platform...emptying the weapon then moving back to the other firing position.

But that's only the simplest explanation that fits the data best.  There are other possibilities.

[edpc]

And in that same vein, I thought they admitted that there is information they are not releasing as of now. So, yes, this is orchestrated in my opinion, on what they are telling the general public.  Not just haphazard remarks at a press conference.

OK, again........

“Maybe he was a superhuman who figured this out all on his own but it would be hard for me to believe that.”

Incredibly irresponsible and stupid for Sheriff Lombardo to say.  If the investigation concludes he did act alone, then will Paddock be superhuman or will the sheriff just be a discredited fool?  Officials already reported police had killed the shooter, before they had to correct that to a fatal self-inflicted gunshot wound.  There's no grand orchestration by behind the scenes masterminds – just disarray and missteps that occur in the initial stages of large events like this.

The D.C. sniper just had to be a middle aged white guy in a van, because people saw it and it fits the profile.  It had to be follow up jihad attacks, so soon after 9/11.

Wrong on both accounts.

The Unabomber had to be a young, poorly educated, current or former airline employee.  They screwed that one up for over a decade.

[edpc]

Now, it would seem he cased the Lollapalooza event in Chicago back in August.

STEPHEN PADDOCK BOOKED HOTEL OVERLOOKING LOLLAPALOOZA 2 MONTHS BEFORE MASSACRE

Paddock booked one room for August 1, 2017, 2 days before the August 3 kickoff. Paddock then booked a second room for an August 3 arrival. Both rooms had an August 6 checkout ... that's when Lollapalooza ended.

The hotel directly overlooked the main stage as well as several adjoining stages. It also overlooks the main entrance and exit where thousands of people file through. And the hotel had a bird's-eye view of the crowd. We're told Paddock specifically requested both rooms be a "view room" which only face Grant Park, where the concert was being held. And here's the scariest part ... it's difficult if not impossible to flee because of Lake Michigan. Sources tell TMZ Paddock had never booked a room at the hotel before, nor had his girlfriend.


http://m.tmz.com/#2017/10/05/stephen-paddock-booked-hotel-lollapalooza-music-festival-chicago-vegas/

[jpsb]

Many potential explanations for that... echoing, seeing two broken windows, seeing shots from two separate windows at two different times, etc.  The key would be to ask that transmitter what was meant by the statement.


Remember, many gun enthusiasts on various sites were sure it was an AK from the reports (i.e., sound).  I think we can all agree that many conclusions were wrong.

I am not saying that there were two shooters. Only that multiple shooters should not be ruled out at the very beginning of an investigation.

[Bigun]

I am not saying that there were two shooters. Only that multiple shooters should not be ruled out at the very beginning of an investigation.

I'm with you on that.  The sophistication of the set up would have made it very easy for a second or more shooter to have been in those rooms for the first few minutes and then walked out the door and disappeared down the hallway.   Not saying that happened but it is certainly possible.

[jpsb]

There is certainly a lot more to this story than we are being told. I am sadden to see how easily some folk
just take as gospel whatever gov tells them. Sheep. If you ask questions or have doubts you're told to go
put on your tinfoil.

[DCPatriot]

That article talks of a second shooter on the 29th floor.  Did they use magic bullets that pass through glass without breaking it?

That photo is not only flipped, but it's also freaking UPSIDE DOWN!

[driftdiver]

Not everything is a conspiracy.  He may have had help but I havent heard a second shooter in any of the video .

[edpc]

That photo is not only flipped, but it's also freaking UPSIDE DOWN!

If the photo was upside down, the fluttering curtains would point toward the sky.

[DCPatriot]

Not everything is a conspiracy.  He may have had help but I havent heard a second shooter in any of the video .

With almost 1000 posts, I'm sure it's been suggested that witnesses may have heard ECHOES of the shots fired.

[DCPatriot]

If the photo was upside down, the fluttering curtains would point toward the sky.

Whoops....you're right.

But it is DEFINITELY flipped/reversed, as the room is on the other end of the building closer to the venue. 

[roamer_1]

I'm with you on that.  The sophistication of the set up would have made it very easy for a second or more shooter to have been in those rooms for the first few minutes and then walked out the door and disappeared down the hallway.   Not saying that happened but it is certainly possible.

That would be easily discernible, as the hallways, or at least floor by floor access points are usually monitored.

[Bigun]

That would be easily discernible, as the hallways, or at least floor by floor access points are usually monitored.

Maybe it was discerned.  How would we know?

[driftdiver]

That would be easily discernible, as the hallways, or at least floor by floor access points are usually monitored.

I'd lay odds that someone was in the room with him before the attack.  Probably a prostitute and the cops have video of her entering and leaving the room.

There are a lot of cameras in vegas.

[Bigun]

I'd lay odds that someone was in the room with him before the attack.  Probably a prostitute and the cops have video of her entering and leaving the room.

There are a lot of cameras in vegas.

If you were working the case and had someone on video would you talk about it?

[roamer_1]

With almost 1000 posts, I'm sure it's been suggested that witnesses may have heard ECHOES of the shots fired.

That is worth remarking upon.
canyons, and also high buildings, throw sound around. Not only the echo. Also the originating sound. 

I watched my buddy knock down an elk, and I could have sworn he fired from off to my right/forward... and out he come, from my direct left.

What anyone heard on the ground can't be readily trusted.

[roamer_1]

Maybe it was discerned.  How would we know?

Meh... it's a big investigation. Likely there will be flapping lips.

[driftdiver]

If you were working the case and had someone on video would you talk about it?

@Bigun
I'd talk to the police.  I sure wouldn't be going public.  Not only a bad career move but likely to make any prosecution of people who helped him more difficult.