I’m a T-Shirt Maker With Gay Customers and Gay Employees. I Still Was Sued.

[XenaLee]

No whining - just human nature.   Straight white folks tend not to suffer from discrimination, so they tend to lack empathy for those who do.   

Wow.  Racist AND anti-hetero in one fell swoop.   

But hey.... thanks for outing yourself....

as usual.

[DiogenesLamp]

So you agree that arbitrary discrimination as practiced by government is wrong.  Good - now why isn't it wrong when practiced by a business that has the privilege of making money from the general public?

Because the government does not own us,  and we are entitled to conduct our affairs as we wish. 

[RoosGirl]

No whining - just human nature.   Straight white folks tend not to suffer from discrimination, so they tend to lack empathy for those who do.   

Not true.  We're just tired of all the bullshit that gets shoveled at us 24/7 and some of us are done with it.  Let the homosexuals go live in the Middle East for a while and if they make it out alive they can come back and tell us how unfair it is that a certain baker won't provide a custom cake for them or a certain photographer won't take their picture.

[XenaLee]

Because the government does not own us,  and we are entitled to conduct our affairs as we wish.

Not....if leftists (and folks like Jazzhead) get their way.  We are subjects of Government, to be ruled over as Government pleases.  That's the leftist "Utopian" view of how things should be.

[RoosGirl]

In the meantime, they're allowed to parade around naked, masturbate each other in public and generally flaunt their sexual deviancy out for anyone, and I do mean anyone, to see at one of their many 'pride' parades.  So if they don't get a damn cake, forgive me if I don't give a crap.

[roamer_1]

Not....if leftists (and folks like Jazzhead) get their way.  We are subjects of Government, to be ruled over as Government pleases.  That's the leftist "Utopian" view of how things should be.

And that is somehow promoted as a form of 'conservative'. Go figger.

[Free Vulcan]

Hoodat, your argument is ridiculous.   The baker offered to sell wedding cakes.  His customer wanted no more, and no less, than what he advertised to provide.   The occasion for which the wedding cake was to be consumed is no business of the baker.   If he thinks it is, then he should do as he does today - offer no wedding cakes at all.   

No business honors every request to fulfill the service they advertise. What you claim as a baseline assumption does not exist anywhere in practice. Every business discriminates nearly without exception.

So then who picks the winner of who gets served and who doesn't, and based on what criteria?

[driftdiver]

In the meantime, they're allowed to parade around naked, masturbate each other in public and generally flaunt their sexual deviancy out for anyone, and I do mean anyone, to see at one of their many 'pride' parades.  So if they don't get a damn cake, forgive me if I don't give a crap.

@RoosGirl
People take their children to those parades.

The things that happen at those are as bad if not worse than anything happening in odom and Gomorrah.  If you condemn the behavior then you are the broken one according to them. 

I want off this train. 

[driftdiver]

No whining - just human nature.   Straight white folks tend not to suffer from discrimination, so they tend to lack empathy for those who do.   

@Jazzhead
What a load of crap.  Pure BS.    My wife is Asian and we have faced discrimination.    Hardly a daily event and the worst treatment has never come from white people.

What some people see as discrimination is just life.  Life is hard and life isn't fair.   Nobody really gives a crap about you and they sure aren't do everything for you.   You may see that as discrimination but its just people expecting you to do for yourself.

[roamer_1]

@Jazzhead
What a load of crap.  Pure BS.    My wife is Asian and we have faced discrimination.    Hardly a daily event and the worst treatment has never come from white people.

What some people see as discrimination is just life.  Life is hard and life isn't fair.   Nobody really gives a crap about you and they sure aren't do everything for you.   You may see that as discrimination but its just people expecting you to do for yourself.

There it is.

[Cyber Liberty]

So you agree that arbitrary discrimination as practiced by government is wrong.  Good - now why isn't it wrong when practiced by a business that has the privilege of making money from the general public?

If I don't like what a private business is offering, I can go to a different private business.  When a government does it, can I go to a different government?  No.

Your argument is specious, as usual.  That's why I had to point out the items you were conflating.

[Cyber Liberty]

No whining - just human nature.   Straight white folks tend not to suffer from discrimination, so they tend to lack empathy for those who do.   

You're <*****>, did you know that?  I should find that meme with the photo of the white Appalachian family asking where they can go find their "White Privilege."

So <*********>.

[Jazzhead]

No business honors every request to fulfill the service they advertise.

That's true.  The baker doesn't need to honor a customer's request to place an offensive message on a cake.  But those aren't the facts.   The baker had no dialogue with the customer about the cake.  He simply refused the customer's business.   He would have refused to provide even an off-the-shelf wedding cake (he had earlier refused to provide even cupcakes to a gay couple.)   

That's unlawful in the context of a public accommodation.   Such businesses are required to not discriminate. 

[Jazzhead]

You're <*****>, did you know that?  I should find that meme with the photo of the white Appalachian family asking where they can go find their "White Privilege."

So <*********>.

I didn't say whites were privileged.  I think the left's "white privilege" meme is disgusting.  But if you've never been refused service on account of your race or sexual orientation,  I can understand why you may not sympathize with those who have.   That's just human nature - but it doesn't make the humiliation of such discrimination any less real. 

[XenaLee]

You're <*****>, did you know that?  I should find that meme with the photo of the white Appalachian family asking where they can go find their "White Privilege."

So <*********>.

Lol.....the resident trolls here don't exactly bring out the best in us, do they? 

[Jazzhead]

If I don't like what a private business is offering, I can go to a different private business.

Why should anyone have to put up with unlawful discrimination?  Let the bigots feel a bit of pain, I say.   

[Jazzhead]

Lol.....the resident trolls here don't exactly bring out the best in us, do they?

Do you consider yourself to be a troll?  If not, why not?   What gives you the right to judge others to be "trolls"?   

I have always engaged in good faith dialogue, stating my views as I feel them, and I'm always heartened when people respond. 
 

[RoosGirl]

That's true.  The baker doesn't need to honor a customer's request to place an offensive message on a cake.  But those aren't the facts.   The baker had no dialogue with the customer about the cake.  He simply refused the customer's business.   He would have refused to provide even an off-the-shelf wedding cake (he had earlier refused to provide even cupcakes to a gay couple.)   

That's unlawful in the context of a public accommodation.   Such businesses are required to not discriminate.

That is not even true.  Besides that the baker has a history of declining other "anti-Christian" items such as Halloween cakes, anti-family and anti-American themes.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-court-gays-religion-20170626-story.html

[Free Vulcan]

That's true.  The baker doesn't need to honor a customer's request to place an offensive message on a cake.  But those aren't the facts.   The baker had no dialogue with the customer about the cake.  He simply refused the customer's business.   He would have refused to provide even an off-the-shelf wedding cake (he had earlier refused to provide even cupcakes to a gay couple.)   

That's unlawful in the context of a public accommodation.   Such businesses are required to not discriminate.

But they're not required to not discriminate in all situations. Not equally. They can reject some requests while forced to take other requests under the very same scenario you provide without any 'dialogues' taking place. It is a completely arbitrary standard based on those who are govt protected groups and who are not. There is no equally applicable guiding principle.

This becomes even more absurd if it were transsexuals, a now govt protected group who's 'identity' is completely based on belief, no differently than objection to them is based on belief. Yet because they are a govt protected class, they can impose their belief on someone else with zero scientific basis for that belief.

[Cyber Liberty]

Why should anyone have to put up with unlawful discrimination?  Let the bigots feel a bit of pain, I say.

Because it's only unlawful to the small brains of liberal snowflakes? I dunno.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Why should anyone have to put up with unlawful discrimination?  Let the bigots feel a bit of pain, I say.

Christianity teaches that homosexual is an aberration.  Judaism and Islam teaches this as well.    For most of this Nation's history,  Variations of Christianity and Judaism represented the vast bulk of the nation's populace.  For most of our history  virtually everyone was a bigot,  as you describe it. 

This business of making "homosexuality" into a protected class is recent,  and it was created artificially by the narrative of liberals who have seized the broadcasting systems and movie studios.   It is artificial and unnatural,  and it will not last long in the larger scope of things. 


Nature will eventually defy the courts' best efforts to subdue it.  Nature will assert itself again. 

[Ancient]

You don't believe arbitrary discrimination harms its victims?  It's humiliating to be told to sit at the back of the bus, to take your business elsewhere.    There's a reason these laws exist - prejudice exists, even if straight white folks don't tend to suffer from it.

Religous bakers suffer from it... and like most bigots, you don't even realize your offense.

[Ancient]

Hoodat, your argument is ridiculous.   The baker offered to sell wedding cakes.  His customer wanted no more, and no less, than what he advertised to provide.   The occasion for which the wedding cake was to be consumed is no business of the baker.   If he thinks it is, then he should do as he does today - offer no wedding cakes at all.   

Libtards changed the definition of wedding cakes.  The baker was selling the EXACT same thing they were 10 years ago.  The only thing that changed is you tried to force him to change his definition of wedding and destroy him if he does not accept your new definition.  That isn't equality or freedom, that is totalitarianism.  If they were a liberal, news outlets would be doing profiles of courage videos on them, but because they do not belong to a protected ideology, they must be destroyed.

[Ancient]

Why should anyone have to put up with unlawful discrimination?  Let the bigots feel a bit of pain, I say.

Because liberals are bigots and by your own logic need to feel pain.

[DiogenesLamp]

Libtards changed the definition of wedding cakes.  The baker was selling the EXACT same thing they were 10 years ago.  The only thing that changed is you tried to force him to change his definition of wedding and destroy him if he does not accept your new definition.  That isn't equality or freedom, that is totalitarianism.  If they were a liberal, news outlets would be doing profiles of courage videos on them, but because they do not belong to a protected ideology, they must be destroyed.

It is Gleichschaltung.